GSL Qualifiers Season 2 in ~ Trap has a 55.85% chance to win ----going from 21.06% to 26.37% if they get 1st, or 14.34% if they don't. Stats has a 54.22% chance to win ----going from 69.72% to 75.15% if they get 1st, or 63.28% if they don't. HyuN has a 53.74% chance to win ----going from 12.73% to 16.72% if they get 1st, or 8.09% if they don't. Zest has a 52.41% chance to win ----going from 18.45% to 23.74% if they get 1st, or 12.63% if they don't. Bbyong has a 50.95% chance to win ----going from 16.17% to 20.89% if they get 1st, or 11.26% if they don't. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] +
Cure has a 50.81% chance to win ----going from 11.4% to 15.11% if they get 1st, or 7.56% if they don't. sOs has a 49.93% chance to win ----going from 15.37% to 20.66% if they get 1st, or 10.1% if they don't. soO has a 46.59% chance to win ----going from 3.56% to 5.29% if they get 1st, or 2.06% if they don't. Flash has a 46.41% chance to win ----going from 6.06% to 8.54% if they get 1st, or 3.91% if they don't. TRUE has a 43.17% chance to win ----going from 3.23% to 4.99% if they get 1st, or 1.89% if they don't. Sacsri has a 42.56% chance to win ----going from 1.92% to 3.06% if they get 1st, or 1.07% if they don't. Hurricane has a 41.75% chance to win ----going from 1.77% to 2.89% if they get 1st, or 0.97% if they don't. jjakji has a 41.68% chance to win ----going from 1.73% to 2.75% if they get 1st, or 0.99% if they don't. Classic has a 41.06% chance to win ----going from 4.15% to 6.53% if they get 1st, or 2.5% if they don't. Jaedong has a 40.9% chance to win ----going from 2.98% to 4.67% if they get 1st, or 1.81% if they don't. Leenock has a 40.77% chance to win ----going from 8.25% to 11.5% if they get 1st, or 6.01% if they don't. ByuL has a 40.45% chance to win ----going from 1.38% to 2.29% if they get 1st, or 0.76% if they don't. Sora has a 40.26% chance to win ----going from 1.42% to 2.41% if they get 1st, or 0.74% if they don't. DongRaeGu has a 39.16% chance to win ----going from 1.09% to 1.85% if they get 1st, or 0.59% if they don't. Patience has a 39.03% chance to win ----going from 2.54% to 4.1% if they get 1st, or 1.53% if they don't. Losira has a 37.81% chance to win ----going from 0.92% to 1.6% if they get 1st, or 0.51% if they don't. Armani has a 37.63% chance to win ----going from 0.83% to 1.43% if they get 1st, or 0.46% if they don't. Trust has a 37.16% chance to win ----going from 0.84% to 1.49% if they get 1st, or 0.46% if they don't. Mvp has a 36.31% chance to win ----going from 0.03% to 0.08% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Center has a 36.01% chance to win ----going from 0.67% to 1.18% if they get 1st, or 0.38% if they don't. Pet has a 34.28% chance to win ----going from 0.46% to 0.86% if they get 1st, or 0.26% if they don't. Symbol has a 33.86% chance to win ----going from 0.58% to 1.08% if they get 1st, or 0.32% if they don't. Journey has a 33.77% chance to win ----going from 0.45% to 0.82% if they get 1st, or 0.25% if they don't. HerO has a 33.53% chance to win ----going from 0.44% to 0.85% if they get 1st, or 0.24% if they don't. Creator has a 33.31% chance to win ----going from 0.42% to 0.81% if they get 1st, or 0.22% if they don't. MyuNgSiK has a 33.25% chance to win ----going from 1.06% to 1.93% if they get 1st, or 0.63% if they don't. sKyHigh has a 33.15% chance to win ----going from 0.97% to 1.7% if they get 1st, or 0.61% if they don't. Arthur has a 32.24% chance to win ----going from 0.35% to 0.68% if they get 1st, or 0.19% if they don't. Reality has a 31.9% chance to win ----going from 0.33% to 0.62% if they get 1st, or 0.19% if they don't. SuperNova has a 31.88% chance to win ----going from 0.32% to 0.6% if they get 1st, or 0.19% if they don't. Impact has a 31.31% chance to win ----going from 0.26% to 0.52% if they get 1st, or 0.15% if they don't. eMotion has a 31.03% chance to win ----going from 0.29% to 0.58% if they get 1st, or 0.16% if they don't. Ruin has a 30.9% chance to win ----going from 0.27% to 0.54% if they get 1st, or 0.15% if they don't. RagnaroK has a 30.15% chance to win ----going from 0.21% to 0.43% if they get 1st, or 0.12% if they don't. Pigbaby has a 29.15% chance to win ----going from 0.19% to 0.39% if they get 1st, or 0.11% if they don't. DeParture has a 28.84% chance to win ----going from 0.16% to 0.33% if they get 1st, or 0.09% if they don't. Revival has a 28.56% chance to win ----going from 0.29% to 0.58% if they get 1st, or 0.17% if they don't. Sorry has a 27.82% chance to win ----going from 0.14% to 0.29% if they get 1st, or 0.08% if they don't. aLive has a 27.8% chance to win ----going from 0.14% to 0.29% if they get 1st, or 0.08% if they don't. Apocalypse has a 27.04% chance to win ----going from 0.12% to 0.24% if they get 1st, or 0.07% if they don't. Oz has a 26.75% chance to win ----going from 0.12% to 0.25% if they get 1st, or 0.07% if they don't. KeeN has a 26.52% chance to win ----going from 0.1% to 0.22% if they get 1st, or 0.06% if they don't. ParalyzE has a 25.61% chance to win ----going from 0.09% to 0.21% if they get 1st, or 0.05% if they don't. Ryung has a 25.5% chance to win ----going from 0.08% to 0.18% if they get 1st, or 0.05% if they don't. Check has a 25.47% chance to win ----going from 0.11% to 0.23% if they get 1st, or 0.07% if they don't. Shine has a 25.14% chance to win ----going from 0.07% to 0.15% if they get 1st, or 0.04% if they don't. Spear has a 24.78% chance to win ----going from 0.07% to 0.15% if they get 1st, or 0.04% if they don't. Action has a 24.72% chance to win ----going from 0.06% to 0.14% if they get 1st, or 0.04% if they don't. Hush has a 24.61% chance to win ----going from 0.07% to 0.16% if they get 1st, or 0.04% if they don't. CranK has a 23.59% chance to win ----going from 0.06% to 0.13% if they get 1st, or 0.04% if they don't. Bunny has a 22.57% chance to win ----going from 0.04% to 0.1% if they get 1st, or 0.03% if they don't. Sleep has a 21.39% chance to win ----going from 0.03% to 0.06% if they get 1st, or 0.02% if they don't. Stork has a 20.5% chance to win ----going from 0.02% to 0.07% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. BBoongBBoong has a 20.42% chance to win ----going from 0.02% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. BrAvO has a 20.04% chance to win ----going from 0.02% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Billowy has a 19.92% chance to win ----going from 0.02% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Tiger has a 19.06% chance to win ----going from 0.02% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Daisy has a 19.01% chance to win ----going from 0.02% to 0.05% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Alicia has a 18.78% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.04% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. JYP has a 16.22% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Miso has a 10.21% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Rain has a 10.11% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Zoun has a 9.59% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. NesTea has a 9.41% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. SalvatioN has a 9.26% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. LabyRinth has a 9.07% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Balloon has a 8.99% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. TerrOr has a 8.94% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. TheStC has a 8.87% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. TAiLS has a 8.03% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. Hunter has a 7.6% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0.01% if they don't. horror has a 5.84% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. TurN has a 5.29% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Pentatonix has a 5.09% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Grid has a 4.91% chance to win ----going from 0.01% to 0.01% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. SpeeD has a 4.56% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Dynamite has a 4.53% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. TOP has a 4.38% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Gamja has a 3.87% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Nette has a 3.8% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. KellerMaN has a 3.79% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. FundManager has a 3.78% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Logotherapy has a 3.73% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. KIRA has a 3.69% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 자유의날개 has a 3.67% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 테란의최고 has a 3.47% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. TIME has a 3.34% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Picasso has a 3.2% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. 김정수 has a 3.19% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. NightMare has a 3.12% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Kan has a 3.06% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Mysticism has a 3.01% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. rapsody has a 2.99% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. Mamuri has a 2.94% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't. CharSiuBao has a 2.78% chance to win ----going from 0% to 0% if they get 1st, or 0% if they don't.
On March 04 2015 09:28 Die4Ever wrote: get that F5 key ready!
I've been meaning to replace my key with this one:
My T key broke on my previous laptop, I think it was from typing t in the URL bar to go to TL.
why would TL ever not be open?
Sometimes I open up new windows or tabs and go to a different part of the site. Although I have fixed the problem by putting TL on my favorites bar so I can just click on it.
On March 04 2015 09:28 Die4Ever wrote: get that F5 key ready!
I've been meaning to replace my key with this one:
My T key broke on my previous laptop, I think it was from typing t in the URL bar to go to TL.
why would TL ever not be open?
Sometimes I open up new windows or tabs and go to a different part of the site. Although I have fixed the problem by putting TL on my favorites bar so I can just click on it.
Always sad that these aren't broadcasted, but I'll probably camp results and post here so people know. Other than that we'll all be F5ing the night away
Players in this session- keep in mind that the team here is just what they were registered under, so some players may be under teams with which they have relations and should not be taken as a transfer.
Samsung Galaxy KHAN Group 1 - (송병구) Stork Group 2 - (이우재) Guilty Group 3 - (이영한) Shine Group 5 - (이제현) eMotion
Unknown Group 1 - (박현태) Nuttin Group 1 - (유석환) Kan Group 1 - (김민관) SPACEJUDGEMG Group 2 - (김승현) StuN Group 2 - (김우정) 백마 Group 3 - (김국현) NaTuRal Group 3 - (김덕용) 콜티 Group 3 - (권오건) Ghost Group 4 - (김원형) TAiLS Group 4 - (김건영) 날개달린코로네로 Group 4 - (김영진) SuperNova Group 4 - (박근일) SpeeD Group 5 - (김한별) Nado Group 5 - (김민형) Apocalypse Group 6 - (신건우) SGW Group 6 - (박현우) Raynor
SK Telecom T1 Group 1 - (김지성) Sorry Group 4 - (김도우) Classic Group 5 - (엄지훈) DynaMite
Axiom Group 1 - (양준식) Alicia Group 3 - (김준혁) Impact
Prime Group 1 - (김명식) MyuNgSiK Group 2 - (김동진) TANGTANG Group 3 - (전지원) TerrOr Group 6 - (박한솔) Zoun
MVP Group 1 - (김가영) Aphrodite Group 4 - (김기용) SalvatioN Group 5 - (이형섭) Choya
KT Rolster Group 2 - (주성욱) Zest Group 3 - (김대엽) Stats Group 4 - (김성한) Sleep
Jin Air Green Wings Group 2 - (양희수) Pigbaby Group 5 - (강동현) Symbol Group 6 - (조성호) Trap
mYi Group 2 - (이예훈) Sacsri
CJ Entus Group 2 - (변영봉) Hush Group 4 - (최성일) Trust Group 5 - (정우용) Bbyong Group 6 - (김정훈) Sora
On March 04 2015 09:28 Die4Ever wrote: get that F5 key ready!
I've been meaning to replace my key with this one:
My T key broke on my previous laptop, I think it was from typing t in the URL bar to go to TL.
why would TL ever not be open?
Sometimes I open up new windows or tabs and go to a different part of the site. Although I have fixed the problem by putting TL on my favorites bar so I can just click on it.
I was surprised to see the list of players be underwhelming, but then i remembered that there are 32 people who aren't playing cause they qualified last time :D
On March 04 2015 11:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I was surprised to see the list of players be underwhelming, but then i remembered that there are 32 people who aren't playing cause they qualified last time :D
On March 04 2015 11:12 Boucot wrote: What ? Why are the qualifiers that early ? D:
One morning one afternoon qualifier. Pretty sure it's always been this early for the morning one. Maybe it started an hour or two later in past years idk
On March 04 2015 11:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I was surprised to see the list of players be underwhelming, but then i remembered that there are 32 people who aren't playing cause they qualified last time :D
On March 04 2015 11:12 Boucot wrote: What ? Why are the qualifiers that early ? D:
One morning one afternoon qualifier. Pretty sure it's always been this early for the morning one. Maybe it started an hour or two later in past years idk
I meant early for the date, not the hour. Ro8 of season 1 hasn't even been played and will probably be played during these qualifiers x_X
Afternoon will be fun, guess I'll just stay up all night. I could see Sora or Patience making it out of bracket 6 too, they're both really sick tosses.
I'll have to miss this thread since I'm an idiot and have a paper to write at the last minute, but I have faith in xpaperclip to keep everything updated so I can at least make the occasional check-in
It seems no one is actively doing Liquipedia at the moment so I'm going to switch to pushing to the live page automatically for now. If someone takes it up, make some noise so I stop blowing away everyone's changes every few minutes.
Group 1 Ro8 Match 4: MyuNgSiK 2-0 Aphrodite Group 2 Ro8 Match 2: Pigbaby 2-1 StuN Group 2 Ro8 Match 3: Sacsri 2-0 Guilty Group 3 Ro8 Match 1: Stats 2-0 NaTuRal
On March 04 2015 12:11 xpaperclip wrote: Group 1 Ro8 Match 4: MyuNgSiK 2-0 Aphrodite Group 2 Ro8 Match 2: Pigbaby 2-1 StuN Group 2 Ro8 Match 3: Sacsri 2-0 Guilty Group 3 Ro8 Match 1: Stats 2-0 NaTuRal
On March 04 2015 12:11 xpaperclip wrote: Group 1 Ro8 Match 4: MyuNgSiK 2-0 Aphrodite Group 2 Ro8 Match 2: Pigbaby 2-1 StuN Group 2 Ro8 Match 3: Sacsri 2-0 Guilty Group 3 Ro8 Match 1: Stats 2-0 NaTuRal
Pigbaby Aphrodite
Can you really put a sad face for Aphrodite? I mean it would have been a miracle if she took even one game
And turns out Group 2 Ro4 Match 1: Pigbaby 2-0 TANGTANG anyway. Also Group 5 Ro4 Match 1: Bbyong 2-0 Choya was reported on Twitter a while ago but only now has made it to the bracket.
On March 04 2015 12:39 Die4Ever wrote: Patience seems to be really good now, too bad Leenock didn't make it though
Yeah I know I'm starting to get worried for Maru in IEM. I think people are really selling Patience short and kind of looking at it like a walkover but it looks like Patience is back on top of his game
On March 04 2015 12:37 Popkiller wrote: so you can't do both the morning and afternoon session
no you get assigned to one or the other
Kinda sucks, even though you can't ever have perfect qualifiers being able to attend both sessions reduces volatility and allows good enough players to make it.
On March 04 2015 12:37 Popkiller wrote: so you can't do both the morning and afternoon session
no you get assigned to one or the other
Kinda sucks, even though you can't ever have perfect qualifiers being able to attend both sessions reduces volatility and allows good enough players to make it.
Yeah GSL qualifiers have always been extremely brutal especially when it comes to bracket luck. Are the Korean tournaments the only ones left that do just 1 round of qualifiers instead of multiple?
On March 04 2015 13:17 hborrgg wrote: whoever's editing liquipedia put TANGTANG to advance anyways
It's being pushed automatically from the official brackets, and they have the error. I guess the morning session is quieting down so maybe it's time to switch to manual updates.
Stats: Loses Code B two seasons in a row. Zest: Loses Code B two seasons in a row. Classic: Loses Code B in the Ro8 two seasons in a row. First: In Code S.
Can Billowy match the results of the mighty First?
On March 04 2015 13:23 Circumstance wrote: So let's review the Telecom Protosses.
Stats: Loses Code B two seasons in a row. Zest: Loses Code B two seasons in a row. Classic: Loses Code B in the Ro8 two seasons in a row. First: In Code S.
Can Billowy match the results of the mighty First?
On March 04 2015 13:23 Circumstance wrote: So let's review the Telecom Protosses.
Stats: Loses Code B two seasons in a row. Zest: Loses Code B two seasons in a row. Classic: Loses Code B in the Ro8 two seasons in a row. First: In Code S.
Can Billowy match the results of the mighty First?
On March 04 2015 13:24 MrMotionPicture wrote: Zest lost to fucking TANGTANG????
on one hand I feel like this is why we need a stream for stuff like this. on the other hand it makes it seem even crazier because we dont know how it was done
These qualifiers feel very random... I doubt we would see stats/zest lost to those opponents in televised matches. Its a perennial issue, but I wish they would would change the way players qualify for a big tournament like Code S. It seems incorrect to hinge all of a players televised skill on a match played at a pc bang in front of no-one.
On March 04 2015 13:24 MrMotionPicture wrote: Zest lost to fucking TANGTANG????
on one hand I feel like this is why we need a stream for stuff like this. on the other hand it makes it seem even crazier because we dont know how it was done
He beat him in macro games, went up to Zest and told him, "Just become a model, you don't have what it takes to play SC2"
On March 04 2015 13:29 Alucen-Will- wrote: These qualifiers feel very random... I doubt we would see stats/zest lost to those opponents in televised matches. Its a perennial issue, but I wish they would would change the way players qualify for a big tournament like Code S. It seems incorrect to hinge all of a players televised skill on a match played at a pc bang in front of no-one.
Well that and the Code A qualifiers are literally harder than most foreign tournaments so it would make sense to actually fucking stream them
On March 04 2015 13:29 Alucen-Will- wrote: These qualifiers feel very random... I doubt we would see stats/zest lost to those opponents in televised matches. Its a perennial issue, but I wish they would would change the way players qualify for a big tournament like Code S. It seems incorrect to hinge all of a players televised skill on a match played at a pc bang in front of no-one.
Well that and the Code A qualifiers are literally harder than most foreign tournaments so it would make sense to actually fucking stream them
I mentioned this earlier..Winning a Code A is probably about as difficult as winning the current season of WCS Premier.
On March 04 2015 15:09 Shellshock wrote: Olli just likes to gush over top protoss players but I've always though of him as mainly a Rain fan (and HerO fanboy) like King said
Classic is the only patchtoss, not zest! The kingslayer will be back.
On March 04 2015 15:09 Shellshock wrote: Olli just likes to gush over top protoss players but I've always though of him as mainly a Rain fan (and HerO fanboy) like King said
Classic is the only patchtoss, not zest! The kingslayer will be back.
TANGTANG is a malnourished peasant missing an arm who is dying of dysentery. Still good enough to beat Zest though.
On March 04 2015 15:09 Shellshock wrote: Olli just likes to gush over top protoss players but I've always though of him as mainly a Rain fan (and HerO fanboy) like King said
Classic is the only patchtoss, not zest! The kingslayer will be back.
Where you at DLO, there's a dirty player bashing one-liner right there edit : + Show Spoiler +
Let's be fair, that wasn't gushing over Zest, that was gushing over Kespa.
This part here made me smile:
After a year of such extraordinary brilliance, there can only be one satisfying conclusion for Zest. His quest for perfection can only end one way. The elephant in the room, KeSPA's triumph over eSF and the organization's ideals all culminate in one event. Zest represents their superiority like nobody else. He is a symbol of their power, their dominance and deep rooted tradition. No player has been able to rule SC2 as others did in Brood War, but if Zest keeps performing the way he has in 2014, then he will inevitably follow in their footsteps. More than that, he will pioneer a new kind of authority that this game has not yet witnessed.
After a year of such extraordinary brilliance, there can only be one satisfying conclusion for Zest. His quest for perfection can only end one way. The elephant in the room, KeSPA's triumph over eSF and the organization's ideals all culminate in one event. Zest represents their superiority like nobody else. He is a symbol of their power, their dominance and deep rooted tradition. No player has been able to rule SC2 as others did in Brood War, but if Zest keeps performing the way he has in 2014, then he will inevitably follow in their footsteps. More than that, he will pioneer a new kind of authority that this game has not yet witnessed.
Let's be fair, that wasn't gushing over Zest, that was gushing over Kespa.
This part here made me smile:
After a year of such extraordinary brilliance, there can only be one satisfying conclusion for Zest. His quest for perfection can only end one way. The elephant in the room, KeSPA's triumph over eSF and the organization's ideals all culminate in one event. Zest represents their superiority like nobody else. He is a symbol of their power, their dominance and deep rooted tradition. No player has been able to rule SC2 as others did in Brood War, but if Zest keeps performing the way he has in 2014, then he will inevitably follow in their footsteps. More than that, he will pioneer a new kind of authority that this game has not yet witnessed.
MMA vs Life finals
kessssppaaaa
"If Zest keeps performing" though. It could have been correct
naw. The natural predators of Zest (Terrans) were doing well again. Was a matter of time.
Let's be fair, that wasn't gushing over Zest, that was gushing over Kespa.
This part here made me smile:
After a year of such extraordinary brilliance, there can only be one satisfying conclusion for Zest. His quest for perfection can only end one way. The elephant in the room, KeSPA's triumph over eSF and the organization's ideals all culminate in one event. Zest represents their superiority like nobody else. He is a symbol of their power, their dominance and deep rooted tradition. No player has been able to rule SC2 as others did in Brood War, but if Zest keeps performing the way he has in 2014, then he will inevitably follow in their footsteps. More than that, he will pioneer a new kind of authority that this game has not yet witnessed.
MMA vs Life finals
kessssppaaaa
"If Zest keeps performing" though. It could have been correct
naw. The natural predators of Zest (Terrans) were doing well again. Was a matter of time.
But Zest covers his opponents in blood. Terran have blood. Something's not right d:
Let's be fair, that wasn't gushing over Zest, that was gushing over Kespa.
This part here made me smile:
After a year of such extraordinary brilliance, there can only be one satisfying conclusion for Zest. His quest for perfection can only end one way. The elephant in the room, KeSPA's triumph over eSF and the organization's ideals all culminate in one event. Zest represents their superiority like nobody else. He is a symbol of their power, their dominance and deep rooted tradition. No player has been able to rule SC2 as others did in Brood War, but if Zest keeps performing the way he has in 2014, then he will inevitably follow in their footsteps. More than that, he will pioneer a new kind of authority that this game has not yet witnessed.
MMA vs Life finals
kessssppaaaa
It could have been correct though D:
Kespa triumphed so hard they got 1 player in the top 4 at blizzcon.
Let's be fair, that wasn't gushing over Zest, that was gushing over Kespa.
This part here made me smile:
After a year of such extraordinary brilliance, there can only be one satisfying conclusion for Zest. His quest for perfection can only end one way. The elephant in the room, KeSPA's triumph over eSF and the organization's ideals all culminate in one event. Zest represents their superiority like nobody else. He is a symbol of their power, their dominance and deep rooted tradition. No player has been able to rule SC2 as others did in Brood War, but if Zest keeps performing the way he has in 2014, then he will inevitably follow in their footsteps. More than that, he will pioneer a new kind of authority that this game has not yet witnessed.
MMA vs Life finals
kessssppaaaa
It could have been correct though D:
Kespa triumphed so hard they got 1 player in the top 4 at blizzcon.
Then subsequently assimilated the champion into their ranks.
On March 04 2015 11:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I was surprised to see the list of players be underwhelming, but then i remembered that there are 32 people who aren't playing cause they qualified last time :D
On March 04 2015 11:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I was surprised to see the list of players be underwhelming, but then i remembered that there are 32 people who aren't playing cause they qualified last time :D
On March 04 2015 11:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I was surprised to see the list of players be underwhelming, but then i remembered that there are 32 people who aren't playing cause they qualified last time :D
Plus he picked Zest in LRSL meaning I had to play him first round and didn't get to play Scarlett. Disgusting
you were the only zerg to win a map in that damn tournament
I actually didn't watch the replay of game 4 until super recently and oh my god I should have won so easily LOL. Then I was one all in away from being the only zerg to win a series
On March 04 2015 11:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I was surprised to see the list of players be underwhelming, but then i remembered that there are 32 people who aren't playing cause they qualified last time :D
Players in this session- keep in mind that the team here is just what they were registered under, so some players may be under teams with which they have relations and should not be taken as a transfer.
Jin Air Green Wings Group 1 - (김기태) Adios Group 3 - (김도욱) Cure Group 4 - (김유진) sOs
Prime Group 1 - (최종혁) BBoongBBoong Group 4 - (황규석) KeeN Group 6 - (장현우) Creator
Team Liquid Group 1 - (송현덕) HerO
Unknown Group 1 - 김정수 Group 1 - (박대호) TurN Group 2 - (이원주) LeeWonJu Group 2 - (박숭) Miso Group 3 - (윤명혁) Arthur Group 3 - (김정훈) TOP Group 3 - (이재현) Fancy Group 4 - (장욱) ZiRaRa Group 4 - (Andrew An) 순데렐라 Group 4 - 최정한 Group 5 - (김한빈) WakeUp Group 5 - (정정호) Neige Group 5 - (임재현) Mamuri Group 6 - (Stefan Mott) mYi_PengWin Group 6 - (이민규) Blast Group 6 - (김현목) Spear
StarTale Group 1 - (한이석) aLive Group 4 - (박남규) Pet
CJ Entus Group 1 - (한지원) ByuL Group 2 - (조병세) sKyHigh Group 3 - (이재선) Bunny[Name] Group 5 - (신희범) RagnaroK
Samsung Galaxy KHAN Group 1 - (김기현) Reality Group 2 - (박진혁) Armani Group 3 - (남기웅) Hurricane Group 5 - (서태희) Journey Group 6 - (노준규) BrAvO
SK Telecom T1 Group 2 - (김도경) Billowy Group 3 - (어윤수) soO
KT Rolster Group 2 - (이영호) Flash Group 4 - (김성대) Action
Wayi Group 2 - (홍덕) Ruin
MVP Group 2 - (김효종) Horror Group 3 - (최재성) Center Group 5 - (황강호) Losira Group 6 - (현성민) DeParture
Crank has not caught a break in a qualifier yet this year. Season 1, he runs into Leenock R1 in GSL and SSL, now he's running into the OTHER resurgent 2011 Code S runner-up Zerg.
On March 04 2015 15:35 Yorkie wrote: As usual afternoon session is more stacked. Hopefully Losira doesn't get a group of death
Not an easy group, but he stands a reasonable shot of making it with his ZvZ. Might have to watch out for Jouney though.
Could be any 2 of Losira/DRG/Ragnarok/Journey
Ahh that is kinda tough should played in the morning TT. His ZvZ has been really good though. So long as he gets past Crank I feel safe with double elim.
Group 6 Ro8 Match 3: Creator 2-0 Blast Group 1 Ro8 Match 3: ByuL 2-0 aLive Group 3 Ro8 Match 3: Cure 2-0 Fancy Group 5 Ro8 Match 1: DongRaeGu 2-0 WakeUp Group 5 Ro8 Match 2: Losira 2-0 CranK
On March 04 2015 15:59 xpaperclip wrote: Group 6 Ro8 Match 3: Creator 2-0 Blast Group 1 Ro8 Match 3: ByuL 2-0 aLive Group 3 Ro8 Match 3: Cure 2-0 Fancy Group 5 Ro8 Match 1: DongRaeGu 2-0 WakeUp Group 5 Ro8 Match 2: Losira 2-0 CranK
On March 04 2015 15:59 xpaperclip wrote: Group 6 Ro8 Match 3: Creator 2-0 Blast Group 1 Ro8 Match 3: ByuL 2-0 aLive Group 3 Ro8 Match 3: Cure 2-0 Fancy Group 5 Ro8 Match 1: DongRaeGu 2-0 WakeUp Group 5 Ro8 Match 2: Losira 2-0 CranK
On March 04 2015 15:59 xpaperclip wrote: Group 6 Ro8 Match 3: Creator 2-0 Blast Group 1 Ro8 Match 3: ByuL 2-0 aLive Group 3 Ro8 Match 3: Cure 2-0 Fancy Group 5 Ro8 Match 1: DongRaeGu 2-0 WakeUp Group 5 Ro8 Match 2: Losira 2-0 CranK
On March 04 2015 16:07 showstealer1829 wrote: I now wish nothing but pain and elimination for Losira
Blame the people who made the bracket, not the player who did his job lol (don't really blame the people who made the bracket it's not their fault either)
On March 04 2015 16:07 showstealer1829 wrote: I now wish nothing but pain and elimination for Losira
Blame the people who made the bracket, not the player who did his job lol (don't really blame the people who made the bracket it's not their fault either)
I will blame who I wish to blame. Losira could've forfeited
Wtf Zest lost in first round to TangTang ?? I guess the cheese was a very smelly one. edit: at least Pigbaby avenged him and advanced. I'm very eager to see him in GSL actually <3
On March 04 2015 18:16 xpaperclip wrote: DongRaeGu eliminates Journey 2-0 and qualifies for Code A. Billowy eliminates sKyHigh 2-1, plays next for Code A.
Poor sKyHigh, didn't get the bracket full of Terrans he probably wanted.
On March 04 2015 18:16 xpaperclip wrote: DongRaeGu eliminates Journey 2-0 and qualifies for Code A. Billowy eliminates sKyHigh 2-1, plays next for Code A.
Poor sKyHigh, didn't get the bracket full of Terrans he probably wanted.
if he had beaten Ruin it woulda been him advancing and not Flash
On March 04 2015 18:16 xpaperclip wrote: DongRaeGu eliminates Journey 2-0 and qualifies for Code A. Billowy eliminates sKyHigh 2-1, plays next for Code A.
Poor sKyHigh, didn't get the bracket full of Terrans he probably wanted.
if he had beaten Ruin it woulda been him advancing and not Flash
Could be. But we didn't see the games, Flash might have been on a roll and crushed straight through him. Sometimes he does that. But the issue for sKyHigh starts at "if he had beaten Ruin".
Man our passion levels are so high. We're cheering for players who qualify for Code A, not even considering that they might not make Code S. I love it.
On March 04 2015 18:17 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: DRG's back :D
DRG has to be the most back player in all of Starcraft.
That title HAS to go to MMA.
I dunno, he was afk for quite a while during 2012-2013, right?
DRG has been in Code S like forever and every time he wins a series someone claims he's back.
Maybe it has something to do with players during that era? Feels like Leenock is back every now and then as well.
How many "backs" has MMA had now, all of them legitimate? The OTD's never been such a slingshot in terms of public perception and noted results as MMA.
On March 04 2015 18:25 Elentos wrote: Man our passion levels are so high. We're cheering for players who qualify for Code A, not even considering that they might not make Code S. I love it.
See this is why the GSL guys should stream this! The second- and third-tier Korean tournaments are also important to the scene!
Really curious what's happening in group 3 where Bunny v Hurricane seems to have stalled forever. Guessing it's just another case where it's over and the result hasn't been reported.
On March 04 2015 18:25 Elentos wrote: Man our passion levels are so high. We're cheering for players who qualify for Code A, not even considering that they might not make Code S. I love it.
There's always mysterious magic to these cutthroat KR qualifiers. Lose here and you won't be in for such a long timw :O
On March 04 2015 18:42 ptbl wrote: I couldn't go to sleep until HerO finished his matches. I am so happy for him that he qualified for Code A. Must be a huge relief!
Great to see him back in GSL, he has soooo much talent
On March 04 2015 18:50 Blargh wrote: Zest and Stats not making it is pretty funny. Some pretty interesting upsets in here. Too bad we couldn't watch 'em live!
Actually pretty sad that those two didn't make it. But the games not being casted by anyone is even sadder.
Didn't manage to watch this but a lot of good players made it. Sad that Leenock and Revival didn't make it through, and it is weird to see Zest, Stats and Classic falling down.
So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time.
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time.
Like he did today. He advanced one round in Code A qualifier before losing 0-2 to Hyun. Zest lost to friggin TANGTANG.
soO!!! Sad for Jjakji, Losira, Keen. Not sad for Zest and Stats, that's just bizarre. Get your shit together KT. I'm so thrown by their failures, I can't even make myself be happy for Flash.
If I could only watch GSL Qualifiers or both WCS America and Europe, I would watch GSL Qualifiers.
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time.
But you'd think that he actually DOES play well in practice if they keep fielding him as ace. And I don't think it's a nerve issue, Zest isn't exactly known for that. The games vs herO yesterday he got very unlucky but also made some uncharacteristic mistakes. Just seems off atm, which makes me wonder why he's still considered their ace by coaches.
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time.
But you'd think that he actually DOES play well in practice if they keep fielding him as ace. And I don't think it's a nerve issue, Zest isn't exactly known for that. The games vs herO yesterday he got very unlucky but also made some uncharacteristic mistakes. Just seems off atm, which makes me wonder why he's still considered their ace by coaches.
Well we've seen in the past that coaches sometimes make strange decisions, which appear as genius when they work out and as totally retarded when they don't, so I wouldn't read too much into Zest being KT's ace.
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least.
Is it really weird to see Zest lose, though? Been seeing a lot of that recently, and it's not really a surprise. And I don't see why you think that he has to be doing well in practice if he gets put out as ace for KT; KT have shown repeatedly in the past that they're the team to play favorites and start the popular players rather than the ones who are the most skilled - Flash and Zest playing (Zest twice), while Stats and First sit, for example.
He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
Well, he can say whatever he wants; but statistics have shown that throughout all of Zest's career, he has almost always been consistently bad in PvT and better in PvP. Furthermore, during Proleague Media day, Zest made that comment about how "whichever team has the most Terrans will win Proleague," which is a pretty obvious tell about what his opinions are regarding races and matchups...
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time.
But you'd think that he actually DOES play well in practice if they keep fielding him as ace. And I don't think it's a nerve issue, Zest isn't exactly known for that. The games vs herO yesterday he got very unlucky but also made some uncharacteristic mistakes. Just seems off atm, which makes me wonder why he's still considered their ace by coaches.
He's sent out as ace because he's popular. Simple. It's a Korean television show after all, and a business. There are advantages to playing the guy with Zest's face and body over the guy with Stats' face and body. And like I said above, KT has shown in the past that they are more than willing to make decisions based on popularity. We all know that if Flash wasn't Flash, he wouldn't have been starting every week given the play he's shown in his matches this season.
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time.
But you'd think that he actually DOES play well in practice if they keep fielding him as ace. And I don't think it's a nerve issue, Zest isn't exactly known for that. The games vs herO yesterday he got very unlucky but also made some uncharacteristic mistakes. Just seems off atm, which makes me wonder why he's still considered their ace by coaches.
Well we've seen in the past that coaches sometimes make strange decisions, which appear as genius when they work out and as totally retarded when they don't, so I wouldn't read too much into Zest being KT's ace.
He's consistently aced for them though, not like they randomly made a crazy choice to send him out once.
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time.
But you'd think that he actually DOES play well in practice if they keep fielding him as ace. And I don't think it's a nerve issue, Zest isn't exactly known for that. The games vs herO yesterday he got very unlucky but also made some uncharacteristic mistakes. Just seems off atm, which makes me wonder why he's still considered their ace by coaches.
Well we've seen in the past that coaches sometimes make strange decisions, which appear as genius when they work out and as totally retarded when they don't, so I wouldn't read too much into Zest being KT's ace.
He's consistently aced for them though, not like they randomly made a crazy choice to send him out once.
Yeah that's true. As for the "popular player" thing, I don't buy it because if they really would want that they'd field Flash instead, as much as I like Zest just compare the fangirls screams when Flash wins a game and when Zest wins one and you'll see who is the more popular.
And wow, I just looked, Zest lost to TANGTANG? As mediocre as I think Zest is, getting first rounded by TANGTANG in the qualifiers to get into Code A is a surprise even to me. I expected him to take a series or two, at least, before dropping out.
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time.
But you'd think that he actually DOES play well in practice if they keep fielding him as ace. And I don't think it's a nerve issue, Zest isn't exactly known for that. The games vs herO yesterday he got very unlucky but also made some uncharacteristic mistakes. Just seems off atm, which makes me wonder why he's still considered their ace by coaches.
Well we've seen in the past that coaches sometimes make strange decisions, which appear as genius when they work out and as totally retarded when they don't, so I wouldn't read too much into Zest being KT's ace.
He's consistently aced for them though, not like they randomly made a crazy choice to send him out once.
Yeah that's true. As for the "popular player" thing, I don't buy it because if they really would want that they'd field Flash instead, as much as I like Zest just compare the fangirls screams when Flash wins a game and when Zest wins one and you'll see who is the more popular.
You're making an unnecessary and incorrect assumption there, though - disregarding the "popularity" factor because you say if that was the case, then they'd send out Flash. But that's not necessarily true, as they do intend to win the ace. Sending out Flash in his current form would just be possibly the worst choice statistically as ace, despite him being the most popular player on KT. So they choose Zest, someone they think has a better chance of winning the ace than Flash (which isn't saying much), but is still a fan favorite and an attractive face for their brand (again, PL is a television show in Korea, after all).
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time.
But you'd think that he actually DOES play well in practice if they keep fielding him as ace. And I don't think it's a nerve issue, Zest isn't exactly known for that. The games vs herO yesterday he got very unlucky but also made some uncharacteristic mistakes. Just seems off atm, which makes me wonder why he's still considered their ace by coaches.
Well we've seen in the past that coaches sometimes make strange decisions, which appear as genius when they work out and as totally retarded when they don't, so I wouldn't read too much into Zest being KT's ace.
He's consistently aced for them though, not like they randomly made a crazy choice to send him out once.
Yeah that's true. As for the "popular player" thing, I don't buy it because if they really would want that they'd field Flash instead, as much as I like Zest just compare the fangirls screams when Flash wins a game and when Zest wins one and you'll see who is the more popular.
You're making an unnecessary and incorrect assumption there, though - disregarding the "popularity" factor because you say if that was the case, then they'd send out Flash. But that's not necessarily true, as they do intend to win the ace. Sending out Flash in his current form would just be possibly the worst choice statistically as ace, despite him being the most popular player on KT. So they choose Zest, someone they think has a better chance of winning the ace than Flash (which isn't saying much), but is still a fan favorite and an attractive face for their brand (again, PL is a television show in Korea, after all).
I'm happy to learn that I am incorrect, and that you and your overpowered knowledge know what goes through the mind of KT's coaches and decisions makers, as well as knowing that FlaSh's in house stats are worse than Zest's. You should consider applying for a job at SKT, they'd be happy to know how KT works from the inside. (and that sig lmao, golden)
On March 04 2015 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote: So Dwf, how's that ZTarcraft article coming along?
More protoss players qualified than terran and zerg
Is that really indicative of anything though? Looking at last year's S2 qualifiers results, it was 7T/9Z/8P, and Terran was still widely considered UP back then
On March 04 2015 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote: So Dwf, how's that ZTarcraft article coming along?
More protoss players qualified than terran and zerg
Is that really indicative of anything though? Looking at last year's S2 qualifiers results, it was 7T/9Z/8P, and Terran was still widely considered UP back then
Dunno, I'm not really an experienced balance whiner
On March 04 2015 20:18 DarkLordOlli wrote: So Dwf, how's that ZTarcraft article coming along?
More protoss players qualified than terran and zerg
Is that really indicative of anything though? Looking at last year's S2 qualifiers results, it was 7T/9Z/8P, and Terran was still widely considered UP back then
wasn't till code a till all terran dreams went to die.
On March 04 2015 22:32 Starecat wrote: Zest confirmed patch toss?
Btw surprising results today o.O
AFAIK PvT has always been his worst match-up. He's just having issues all around these days. His PvP results recently aren't explained through patchtoss alone for example.
On March 04 2015 22:32 Starecat wrote: Zest confirmed patch toss?
Btw surprising results today o.O
AFAIK PvT has always been his worst match-up. He's just having issues all around these days. His PvP results recently aren't explained through patchtoss alone for example.
Well, those I can break down for you and explain that he played very very well and got really unlucky. Especially vs herO and creator.
On March 04 2015 22:32 Starecat wrote: Zest confirmed patch toss?
Btw surprising results today o.O
AFAIK PvT has always been his worst match-up. He's just having issues all around these days. His PvP results recently aren't explained through patchtoss alone for example.
Well, those I can break down for you and explain that he played very very well and got really unlucky. Especially vs herO and creator.
I'd like to hear this explanation. First game against herO specially, because I felt like he was playing poorly (scouted Dark Shrine but ran his obs across the map, said obs saw stalkers moving out of herO's base yet didn't bring his phoenixes back for the battle, phoenixes chilling there doing nothing...)
Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses.
On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote: Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses.
Both games against Creator pretty much reached late game, speaking of a build order loss at that point seems weird. In game one against Creator, Zest canceled his +2 attack like 3 times aswell, which was just odd. In the ace against Creator he took a good fight, was ahead and then lost all his colossi by overcommitting.
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote: Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses.
I see. I guess he underestimated the amount of herO's stalkers and thought of using the phoenixes to kill probes and seal the deal. Still, the DT thing didn't make sense to me, did he think "ok I'm gonna let this DTs do some damage because I'll be ahead anyways, and use my obs for scouting the follow up"? If so, he failed to scout the follow up correctly because it killed him.
Thanks DLO for educating us in this dark art of PvP ^.^
Oh and I agree, if Zest bringst his 6 phoenixes home on King Sejong, he crushes herO, who used his own phoenixes to make sure the immortals can't really fight.
On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote: Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses.
Both games against Creator pretty much reached late game, speaking of a build order loss at that point seems weird. In game one against Creator, Zest canceled his +2 attack like 3 times aswell, which was just odd. In the ace against Creator he took a good fight, was ahead and then lost all his colossi by overcommitting.
3gate blink/robo vs an expand build IS a build order loss, it's as far behind as you can fall with that build. It has no potential to pressure and it has an expand that starts when Creator's is already done. In fact, Zest played a ridiculous game in the ace vs Creator to kill his army but he was never ahead. He had one timing to try and win the game (Creator had better upgrades and another one finishing, as well as a 4th going up. He was on a timer and Creator barely held his attack with DTs. Both games he played from a gigantic deficit and did all he could.
On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote: Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses.
I see. I guess he underestimated the amount of herO's stalkers and thought of using the phoenixes to kill probes and seal the deal. Still, the DT thing didn't make sense to me, did he think "ok I'm gonna let this DTs do some damage because I'll be ahead anyways, and use my obs for scouting the follow up"? If so, he failed to scout the follow up correctly because it killed him.
Thanks DLO for educating us in this dark art of PvP ^.^
My guess, which should be anyone's, is that he didn't look at the dark shrine when he scouted it. Zest had the same setup as herO's, it was only a few seconds behind in blink. He was building immortals to bridge that gap. So really herO tried to break someone with the exact same setup as him, defensive immortals against none, and overcharge, and a phoenix advantage. It worked because Zest messed up and didn't bring the phoenixes home, going for probes instead to interrupt production and overpower herO's army that way. It only worked because Zest messed up. He was still ahead after the DT though because his phoenix advantage is much much bigger than the two probe difference at the end of that.
On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote: Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses.
Both games against Creator pretty much reached late game, speaking of a build order loss at that point seems weird. In game one against Creator, Zest canceled his +2 attack like 3 times aswell, which was just odd. In the ace against Creator he took a good fight, was ahead and then lost all his colossi by overcommitting.
3gate blink/robo vs an expand build IS a build order loss, it's as far behind as you can fall with that build. It has no potential to pressure and it has an expand that starts when Creator's is already done. In fact, Zest played a ridiculous game in the ace vs Creator to kill his army but he was never ahead. He had one timing to try and win the game (Creator had better upgrades and another one finishing, as well as a 4th going up. He was on a timer and Creator barely held his attack with DTs. Both games he played from a gigantic deficit and did all he could.
I see. Well, I don't Protoss and these games were a while ago, so I guess that skewed my perception. Nevertheless, Zest royally fucked up in game 1 against herO.
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
I don't trust your memory so that's fine
Only one way to settle this
Grudge match
! Austrian rivalries at their best.
They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
I don't trust your memory so that's fine
Only one way to settle this
Grudge match
! Austrian rivalries at their best.
They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond
After that, they can go eat some Wiener Schnitzel while watching sports.
On March 05 2015 00:11 SC2Toastie wrote: Zest failing bigtime in qualifiers for 3 months now AND being the worst FPL player in S2.
RIP Zest. It was fun. Patchtoss
Meh. It is only natural that someone does best when his race is strong. You probably could say the same about Mvp then... Sure, Zest doesn't do well right now, but i am pretty sure that he will bounce back and win another korean tournament in the next 12 months.
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
I don't trust your memory so that's fine
Only one way to settle this
Grudge match
! Austrian rivalries at their best.
They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond
After that, they can go eat some Wiener Schnitzel while watching sports.
I would do that even with my worst enemy, as should everyone else. Schnitzel rules.
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
I don't trust your memory so that's fine
Only one way to settle this
Grudge match
! Austrian rivalries at their best.
They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond
After that, they can go eat some Wiener Schnitzel while watching sports.
I would do that even with my worst enemy, as should everyone else. Schnitzel rules.
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
I don't trust your memory so that's fine
Only one way to settle this
Grudge match
! Austrian rivalries at their best.
They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond
After that, they can go eat some Wiener Schnitzel while watching sports.
I would do that even with my worst enemy, as should everyone else. Schnitzel rules.
All you can eat Schnitzel and afterwards grudge match when both of you cannot move anymore.
On March 04 2015 22:32 Starecat wrote: Zest confirmed patch toss?
Btw surprising results today o.O
AFAIK PvT has always been his worst match-up. He's just having issues all around these days. His PvP results recently aren't explained through patchtoss alone for example.
Well, those I can break down for you and explain that he played very very well and got really unlucky. Especially vs herO and creator.
While that is a fair point, you could easily just 'break down and explain that Zest got really lucky' during the finals that he won vs. soO and during the period of time when he was good (during the undisputed reign of Protoss, and with PvP being his best matchup). So you can't keep explaining away his losses as bad luck, or him 'just playing poorly,' and say he's still a great player - or you validate the argument that his wins are just good luck, his opponent 'just playing poorly,' and that he's nothing but a patch toss.
On March 05 2015 00:11 SC2Toastie wrote: Zest failing bigtime in qualifiers for 3 months now AND being the worst FPL player in S2.
RIP Zest. It was fun. Patchtoss
Called it like 4 months ago...and was flamed and banned by a raging DarkLordOlli. But I am a good sport as a winner, so I don't blame DLO, nor harbor any hard feelings.
On March 04 2015 19:23 DarkLordOlli wrote: So weird to see Zest lose by the way, if he aces for THAT KT lineup he has to be doing well in practice at least. He keeps saying his matchups are all fairly equally good. Mysterious stuff.
People from KT (players and coaches) also keep saying Stats is not doing so well in practice (nothing special) as in official matches and he still keeps outperforming every time.
But you'd think that he actually DOES play well in practice if they keep fielding him as ace. And I don't think it's a nerve issue, Zest isn't exactly known for that. The games vs herO yesterday he got very unlucky but also made some uncharacteristic mistakes. Just seems off atm, which makes me wonder why he's still considered their ace by coaches.
Well we've seen in the past that coaches sometimes make strange decisions, which appear as genius when they work out and as totally retarded when they don't, so I wouldn't read too much into Zest being KT's ace.
He's consistently aced for them though, not like they randomly made a crazy choice to send him out once.
Yeah that's true. As for the "popular player" thing, I don't buy it because if they really would want that they'd field Flash instead, as much as I like Zest just compare the fangirls screams when Flash wins a game and when Zest wins one and you'll see who is the more popular.
You're making an unnecessary and incorrect assumption there, though - disregarding the "popularity" factor because you say if that was the case, then they'd send out Flash. But that's not necessarily true, as they do intend to win the ace. Sending out Flash in his current form would just be possibly the worst choice statistically as ace, despite him being the most popular player on KT. So they choose Zest, someone they think has a better chance of winning the ace than Flash (which isn't saying much), but is still a fan favorite and an attractive face for their brand (again, PL is a television show in Korea, after all).
I'm happy to learn that I am incorrect, and that you and your overpowered knowledge know what goes through the mind of KT's coaches and decisions makers, as well as knowing that FlaSh's in house stats are worse than Zest's. You should consider applying for a job at SKT, they'd be happy to know how KT works from the inside.
I have a very prestigious job, so I'll put the SKT application on hold for now. And I don't really think SKT needs my help right now, nor does KT need anything else stacked against them. They have enough woes already.
On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote: Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses.
Both games against Creator pretty much reached late game, speaking of a build order loss at that point seems weird. In game one against Creator, Zest canceled his +2 attack like 3 times aswell, which was just odd. In the ace against Creator he took a good fight, was ahead and then lost all his colossi by overcommitting.
3gate blink/robo vs an expand build IS a build order loss, it's as far behind as you can fall with that build. It has no potential to pressure and it has an expand that starts when Creator's is already done. In fact, Zest played a ridiculous game in the ace vs Creator to kill his army but he was never ahead. He had one timing to try and win the game (Creator had better upgrades and another one finishing, as well as a 4th going up. He was on a timer and Creator barely held his attack with DTs. Both games he played from a gigantic deficit and did all he could.
I hope i'm not late to the Zest PVP`losses analysis. Something very interesting happened in that match where Creator barely held his attack with DTs, which is the same one i assume that Elementos said he overcommited and lost his colossus. Those DTs held the attack that would have worked and won Zest the game if it weren't for them. Unrevealed DTs do that. Revealed DTs die quickly and do nothing right? Did you guys see why Zest had no observer in that fight? GO WATCH IT, IT WAS AMAZING.
I'm no Zest fan, i loved Creator wining that game even the way it happened. I actually consider Zest, while being an amazing player, overrated and actually a patchtoss, and this is why: Everyone keeps saying he has and had a weakness vs terran. He rode his godlike but not infallible pvp and pvz to win all those titles when terran was UP. Everyone knows this. Confidence is very important, and he rode that too. Now that he isn't as infallible because he keeps facing ''the op terrans'' time and again, he doesn't have as much confidence and makes more mistakes, even in his other match-ups where we are used to his perfection. God i hated that perfection at the GSL finals vs soO. Handsome Bastard.
Edit: Im just gonna add for people who didn't see and won't look for it. What happened that made Zest have no observer in the fight wasn't a mistake. it was pure 100% random.
Shine is still around then? Fucker looks to have cheesed out both Hyun and, more importantly, Stats (!!!) in his bracket. Goddamnit. He's almost reached Sniper-level of hate for me.
Glad Flash, soO, and Cure survived... real shame about Zest and Stats. Any Bo3 is dangerous as hell if your opponent brings his absolute best game or something surprising you're a bit unprepared for.
Look at the player list for the upcoming Code A of Season 2. It's more insane than I've ever seen it.
On March 04 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote: Game 1 vs herO he was ahead even after the DT and then built immortals to bridge the gap to his own blink finishing. Not bringing his phoenixes home was the big mistake that cost him (I don't remember his obs scouting the stalkers). If he does that he holds super easily because herO's timing made no sense at all.
Both games vs creator as well as the ace vs herO were build order losses.
Both games against Creator pretty much reached late game, speaking of a build order loss at that point seems weird. In game one against Creator, Zest canceled his +2 attack like 3 times aswell, which was just odd. In the ace against Creator he took a good fight, was ahead and then lost all his colossi by overcommitting.
3gate blink/robo vs an expand build IS a build order loss, it's as far behind as you can fall with that build. It has no potential to pressure and it has an expand that starts when Creator's is already done. In fact, Zest played a ridiculous game in the ace vs Creator to kill his army but he was never ahead. He had one timing to try and win the game (Creator had better upgrades and another one finishing, as well as a 4th going up. He was on a timer and Creator barely held his attack with DTs. Both games he played from a gigantic deficit and did all he could.
I hope i'm not late to the Zest PVP`losses analysis. Something very interesting happened in that match where Creator barely held his attack with DTs, which is the same one i assume that Elementos said he overcommited and lost his colossus. Those DTs held the attack that would have worked and won Zest the game if it weren't for them. Unrevealed DTs do that. Revealed DTs die quickly and do nothing right? Did you guys see why Zest had no observer in that fight? GO WATCH IT, IT WAS AMAZING.
I'm no Zest fan, i loved Creator wining that game even the way it happened. I actually consider Zest, while being an amazing player, overrated and actually a patchtoss
Agreed. But I noticed this four months ago and predicted this happening for Zest. Four months ago. And was flamed, banned and insulted unprofessionally by a TL staff member for it, simply because that person loves Zest.
But now that my predictions came true, everyone's coming to the same realization that I saw pretty clearly back last year ever since he got destroyed by TRUE in the GSL Ro8 (iirc was Ro8), over 7 months ago, but only posted about it 3-4 months ago.
He rode his godlike but not infallible pvp and pvz to win all those titles when terran was UP. Everyone knows this. Confidence is very important, and he rode that too. Now that he isn't as infallible because he keeps facing ''the op terrans'' time and again, he doesn't have as much confidence and makes more mistakes, even in his other match-ups where we are used to his perfection. God i hated that perfection at the GSL finals vs soO. Handsome Bastard.
I dont know what games you were watching, but to me, Zest did not play to 'perfection' in the finals against soO. He should have lost 4-2, soO threw that game mightily and then proceeded to throw the series.
On March 05 2015 14:18 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: So many good players in...so many good players out
I gotta re-asset that statement. Surprised at Sorry, Symbol, Trust, Supernova, Shine, Impact, Patience, Sacsri, HerO, Ryung, and Ragnarok. Wish there had been double elimination in the first round; if it is Lan, how long would that have taken? ???
On March 05 2015 14:18 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: So many good players in...so many good players out
I gotta re-asset that statement. Surprised at Sorry, Symbol, Trust, Supernova, Shine, Impact, Patience, Sacsri, HerO, Ryung, and Ragnarok. Wish there had been double elimination in the first round; if it is Lan, how long would that have taken? ???
Double elimination would mean that there would be 4 extra matches per group, so 48 more across the day (assuming no walkovers) Really not very feasible :[
On March 05 2015 05:15 SackOfWetMice wrote:Called it like 4 months ago...and was flamed and banned by a raging DarkLordOlli. But I am a good sport as a winner, so I don't blame DLO, nor harbor any hard feelings.
I called it too, and I never got flamed or banned.
Makes you wonder if there was more to the flaming and banning than just "calling it."
On March 04 2015 23:26 sharkie wrote: herO's timing won him the game so I'd say it made a lot of sense Life is the best example that unorthodox playstyle gives you the best rewards
Well good thing I don't turn to you for PvP advice then! Because it made no sense and if Zest brings his phoenixes home, herO loses the game right there.
As far as I remember you miscalled lots more PvPs than I ever did heh. So you aren't an expert either
I don't trust your memory so that's fine
Only one way to settle this
Grudge match
! Austrian rivalries at their best.
They could also go yodel together to strengthen the bond
After that, they can go eat some Wiener Schnitzel while watching sports.
I would do that even with my worst enemy, as should everyone else. Schnitzel rules.
All you can eat Schnitzel and afterwards grudge match when both of you cannot move anymore.
I'd rather have a contest who can eat more Schnitzel :D With Kartoffelsalat!
On March 05 2015 05:15 SackOfWetMice wrote:Called it like 4 months ago...and was flamed and banned by a raging DarkLordOlli. But I am a good sport as a winner, so I don't blame DLO, nor harbor any hard feelings.
I called it too, and I never got flamed or banned.
I don't remember anybody except TheDwf agreeing with my analysis when I posted it back around November/December, but if you did call it, then I'm glad to see that there are more people than just me that were able to pierce the ''hype'' surrounding Zest and see him for what he truly was.
Makes you wonder if there was more to the flaming and banning than just "calling it."
Absolutely there was, I 100% agree. The staff member in question has had a personal vendetta against me ever since I started posting. But that's off-topic. Let's get back to Zest, TANGTANG, and Code A.
On March 05 2015 14:18 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: So many good players in...so many good players out
I gotta re-asset that statement. Surprised at Sorry, Symbol, Trust, Supernova, Shine, Impact, Patience, Sacsri, HerO, Ryung, and Ragnarok. Wish there had been double elimination in the first round; if it is Lan, how long would that have taken? ???
This is Impact's 3rd Code A with his previous Code A appearances ending up with him narrowly missing out on Code S. I wouldn't say he's a surprising qualifier.
On March 05 2015 14:18 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: So many good players in...so many good players out
I gotta re-asset that statement. Surprised at Sorry, Symbol, Trust, Supernova, Shine, Impact, Patience, Sacsri, HerO, Ryung, and Ragnarok. Wish there had been double elimination in the first round; if it is Lan, how long would that have taken? ???
This is Impact's 3rd Code A with his previous Code A appearances ending up with him narrowly missing out on Code S. I wouldn't say he's a surprising qualifier.
yeah he also had really hard Code A groups. Almost qualified in a group with DRG and Bbyong.
On March 05 2015 14:18 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: So many good players in...so many good players out
I gotta re-asset that statement. Surprised at Sorry, Symbol, Trust, Supernova, Shine, Impact, Patience, Sacsri, HerO, Ryung, and Ragnarok. Wish there had been double elimination in the first round; if it is Lan, how long would that have taken? ???
This is Impact's 3rd Code A with his previous Code A appearances ending up with him narrowly missing out on Code S. I wouldn't say he's a surprising qualifier.
yeah he also had really hard Code A groups. Almost qualified in a group with DRG and Bbyong.
Exactly, also I lied, it's his 4th Code A. He was in Code A back in 2013 for WCS Season 3 back when he was on Woongjin Stars and known as Mekia.
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