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On November 28 2014 07:07 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible. I'm sorry, but you ignore 10 reasonable comments in favor of nitpicking somebodies somewhat poor choice of words while you probably understand perfectly fine what he tries to say?
quiet you, TB is a higher being than all of us and your opinion is irrelevant and dumb, in fact our votes should only count for 3/5s as much as TB's in all democratic governments
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On November 28 2014 07:10 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible. The fact that most sports don't ever use the GSL format shows just how terrible it is. It pretty much can't get any more unfair than that.
Thats a bad argument.
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Oh god, Life - First...
... memories!
Please don't let them play on Deadwing xD
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Leenock is out again T_T
But San is in again ^_^
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On November 28 2014 07:08 XTerm wrote:
im trying to understand how they pick who went through from group D
Snute is 5 - 5 (count the matches ) it display 4-5 but if u count its clearly 5-5
MMA is on 5 - 5
Jakji is on 6 -6
not 3 way tie ? or is the name of the game win as many maps as possible?
Snute is 4-5 it's not wrong on liquipedia.
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On November 28 2014 07:11 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:07 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible. I'm sorry, but you ignore 10 reasonable comments in favor of nitpicking somebodies somewhat poor choice of words while you probably understand perfectly fine what he tries to say? quiet you, TB is a higher being than all of us and your opinion is irrelevant and dumb, in fact our votes should only count for 3/5s as much as TB's in all democratic governments
Whaha three fifths xD? That's... creative ^_^
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On November 28 2014 07:10 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:07 DJHelium wrote:
Err so Liquipedia brackets were wrong? jjakji gets another annoying protoss in MC, still a horrible matchup :D
MC has knocked jjakji out of so many tournaments. Please not another one. MC murders Jjakji in almost everything they play
Yeah I know. Always with those stupid cheese builds as well 
Well, hopefully jjakji has practiced some with San after Blizzcon!
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On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible.
Sigh... "A conflict of interest is a set of circumstances that creates a risk that professional judgement or actions regarding a primary interest will be unduly influenced by a secondary interest."
By the way, the fact that you paid for a dude's flight doesn't give you any qualifications at all. It's true that you may actually be more qualified than most people in the thread, but it's not because of your financial investment.
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XTerm is right though, someone should fix the OP. It shows that Polt won both maps vs Snute and yet it is displayed as a 2-1 for Polt instead of 2-0
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On November 28 2014 07:11 Swisslink wrote:
Oh god, Life - First...
... memories!
Please don't let them play on Deadwing xD
I'm still in shock that that game actually happened.
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On November 28 2014 07:10 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible. The fact that most sports don't ever use the GSL format shows just how terrible it is. It pretty much can't get any more unfair than that.
Yeah, GSL format is generally accepted to be quite unfair.
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On November 28 2014 07:10 GoloSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:08 XTerm wrote:
im trying to understand how they pick who went through from group D
Snute is 5 - 5 (count the matches ) it display 4-5 but if u count its clearly 5-5
MMA is on 5 - 5
Jakji is on 6 -6
not 3 way tie ? or is the name of the game win as many maps as possible? snute is 4-5 he went 0-2, 0-2, 2-0, 2-1
ah ok thats whats was wrong on the main page as it say he went:
0-2 1-2 2-0 2-1
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On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format.
LR people bring arguments in a format discussion to win a format discussion. You are telling us, that you payed money for Impact and that we didn't to win a format discussion.
Do you think, we do this to molest you? Dude, most of us (myself included), whish you all the best, personal and with Axiom and highly respect what you do. But paying money does, regardless how grateful we are, not make your opinion the absolute truth and that is the reason, you get so much opposition here. Ofc. we could all just bow down and agree with whatever we say, but that wouldn't improve anything, at all. So if you start a discussion, expect arguments and don't disregard them with "your opinion stands below me, I payed the flight".
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On November 28 2014 07:11 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:10 mderg wrote:On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible. The fact that most sports don't ever use the GSL format shows just how terrible it is. It pretty much can't get any more unfair than that. Thats a bad argument.
I know but it's pretty much the same argument he uses.
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On November 28 2014 07:11 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible. Sigh... "A conflict of interest is a set of circumstances that creates a risk that professional judgement or actions regarding a primary interest will be unduly influenced by a secondary interest." By the way, the fact that you paid for a dude's flight doesn't give you any qualifications at all. It's true that you may actually be more qualified than most people in the thread, but it's not because of your financial investment.
Yoink. Apply water to burned area......
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On November 28 2014 07:12 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:10 mderg wrote:On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible. The fact that most sports don't ever use the GSL format shows just how terrible it is. It pretty much can't get any more unfair than that. Yeah, GSL format is generally accepted to be quite unfair.
people used to bitch about it all the time, I guess everyone just got used to it
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On November 28 2014 07:11 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:07 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible. I'm sorry, but you ignore 10 reasonable comments in favor of nitpicking somebodies somewhat poor choice of words while you probably understand perfectly fine what he tries to say? quiet you, TB is a higher being than all of us and your opinion is irrelevant and dumb, in fact our votes should only count for 3/5s as much as TB's in all democratic governments
*Al Sharpton sticks his head in*
"Someone say 3/5?"
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On November 28 2014 07:10 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible. The fact that most sports don't ever use the GSL format shows just how terrible it is. It pretty much can't get any more unfair than that.
Most sports don't use the GSL format, because they need a fixed schedule. They have to know who plays when, especially for big tournaments like a Soccer World Championship.
1. The teams should know WHERE they have to play, since the group matches aren't always at the same place
2. The fans should know WHEN and WHERE their team plays to attend the matches.
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On November 28 2014 06:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 06:49 mooncifer wrote:On November 28 2014 06:26 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On November 28 2014 06:25 REyeM wrote:On November 28 2014 06:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Hopefully this junk format is never used again.
Mapscore rather than head to head, 5 man round-robin groups with tie-breakers. Christ it's like 2010 all over again. Beat the top 2 players and lose the group anyway? Seems legit. What is with this guy? This guy paid for a player's flight so that he could compete and show some results. I don't necessarily share the same anger at the format but I very much understand TB's anger. So it's not DreamHack pays players' flights and hotels? Oh…I thought they do it as IEM does, since all these players are invited. Hell no. Dreamhack never pays for any flights and hotels. For players outside of Europe Dreamhack is a gigantic risk. The prizepool for main events outside of the finals is low, the format is massively prone to bracket-screwing, the flight cost is high. If flights were compensated it'd be a different matter entirely, but they're not.
Thanks for your answer TB.
Guess now I can support herO and soO more. If you are in a bad condition, it's a smart decision to withdrow from it to not waste team's money.
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On November 28 2014 07:13 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2014 07:10 mderg wrote:On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.
Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament. Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control. Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks. No, it does not. If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format. This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice? If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row. Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format. The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest. "conflict of interest" You do not know what this phrase means. There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly. But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible. The fact that most sports don't ever use the GSL format shows just how terrible it is. It pretty much can't get any more unfair than that. Most sports don't use the GSL format, because they need a fixed schedule. They have to know who plays when, especially for big tournaments like a Soccer World Championship. 1. The teams should know WHERE they have to play, since the group matches aren't always at the same place 2. The fans should know WHEN and WHERE their team plays to attend the matches.
Than take Chess, it has hundrets of years of tournament history, it all happens at the same place, there is rarely a TV schedule, but still close to noone uses GSL system.
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