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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
November 27 2014 22:06 GMT
#2241
FUCKING SHIT I want Taeja to represent the race because he is fucking epic to copy.

But Hero is so entertaining ....

But Taeja is better....

But Hero like always beats Taeja...

bullshit dreamhack.

This is why we want Ohlen (trollol)
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 22:06:44
November 27 2014 22:06 GMT
#2242
On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.

Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament.


Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control.

Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks.

No, it does not.
If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format.

This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice?


If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row.

Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format.


The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest.


"conflict of interest"

You do not know what this phrase means.

There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly.

But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible.


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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 27 2014 22:06 GMT
#2243
On November 28 2014 07:06 SC2Toastie wrote:
FUCKING SHIT I want Taeja to represent the race because he is fucking epic to copy.

But Hero is so entertaining ....

But Taeja is better....

But Hero like always beats Taeja...

bullshit dreamhack.

This is why we want Ohlen (trollol)

I want them both to lose
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
November 27 2014 22:06 GMT
#2244
On November 28 2014 07:04 SC2Toastie wrote:
Liquid teamkill fucking shit -,-


Hero was going to get knocked out anyways, might as well give Taeja a better road
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
November 27 2014 22:07 GMT
#2245
--- Nuked ---
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 27 2014 22:07 GMT
#2246
Err so Liquipedia brackets were wrong? jjakji gets another annoying protoss in MC, still a horrible matchup :D

MC has knocked jjakji out of so many tournaments. Please not another one.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 27 2014 22:07 GMT
#2247
RIP jjakji

Under these filters (MC vs jjakji 2014), MC is 11–4 (73.33%) in games and 4–1 (80.00%) in matches against jjakji.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 22:08:28
November 27 2014 22:07 GMT
#2248
On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.

Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament.


Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control.

Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks.

No, it does not.
If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format.

This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice?


If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row.

Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format.


The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest.


"conflict of interest"

You do not know what this phrase means.

There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly.

But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible.



I'm sorry, but you ignore 10 reasonable comments in favor of nitpicking somebodies somewhat poor choice of words while you probably understand perfectly fine what he tries to say?
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 27 2014 22:07 GMT
#2249
On November 28 2014 07:06 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 07:06 SC2Toastie wrote:
FUCKING SHIT I want Taeja to represent the race because he is fucking epic to copy.

But Hero is so entertaining ....

But Taeja is better....

But Hero like always beats Taeja...

bullshit dreamhack.

This is why we want Ohlen (trollol)

I want them both to lose

HIGH FIVE
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 22:08:35
November 27 2014 22:08 GMT
#2250
On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.

Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament.


Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control.

Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks.

No, it does not.
If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format.

This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice?


If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row.

Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format.


The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest.


"conflict of interest"

You do not know what this phrase means.

There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly.

But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible.

Fortunately that's just an opinion
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TL+ Member
XTerm
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway3 Posts
November 27 2014 22:08 GMT
#2251
im trying to understand how they pick who went through from group D

Snute is 5 - 5 (count the matches ) it display 4-5 but if u count its clearly 5-5
MMA is on 5 - 5
Jakji is on 6 -6

not 3 way tie ? or is the name of the game win as many maps as possible?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 27 2014 22:09 GMT
#2252
On November 28 2014 07:02 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 07:00 ptbl wrote:
Juding from Snute's twitter, he seems to not mind getting knock out of the tournament. He lost his passion?

I heard on BasetradeTV (don't know how true this is) that Snute has scaled down his practice recently, in favor of idk anymore.


Relaxing. You cant go hardcore all year or you'll burn out.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 27 2014 22:09 GMT
#2253
On November 28 2014 07:06 BlackCompany wrote:
Wierd way to do the brackets tbh. I can understand they do the A2 vs B3 and A3 vs B2 logic, but atleast but these matches on the other side of the loosers bracket. This way we might see group rematches already in the next round of the loosers bracket

Yeah it'd be cool if it was a little more varied.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
November 27 2014 22:10 GMT
#2254
On November 28 2014 07:08 XTerm wrote:
im trying to understand how they pick who went through from group D

Snute is 5 - 5 (count the matches ) it display 4-5 but if u count its clearly 5-5
MMA is on 5 - 5
Jakji is on 6 -6

not 3 way tie ? or is the name of the game win as many maps as possible?


Its a mistake in the OP. Snute lost 0-2 vs Polt and is therefor 4-5
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
November 27 2014 22:10 GMT
#2255
On November 28 2014 07:08 XTerm wrote:
im trying to understand how they pick who went through from group D

Snute is 5 - 5 (count the matches ) it display 4-5 but if u count its clearly 5-5
MMA is on 5 - 5
Jakji is on 6 -6

not 3 way tie ? or is the name of the game win as many maps as possible?

It's probably:

Series Wins > Map Wins > Head2head in case of tie > Coinflip/tiebreaker
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
GoloSC2
Profile Joined August 2014
712 Posts
November 27 2014 22:10 GMT
#2256
On November 28 2014 07:08 XTerm wrote:
im trying to understand how they pick who went through from group D

Snute is 5 - 5 (count the matches ) it display 4-5 but if u count its clearly 5-5
MMA is on 5 - 5
Jakji is on 6 -6

not 3 way tie ? or is the name of the game win as many maps as possible?


snute is 4-5

he went 0-2, 0-2, 2-0, 2-1
"Code S > IEM > Super Tournament > Homestory Cup > Blizzcon/WESG > GSL vs The World > Invitational tournaments in China with Koreans > WCS events" - Rodya
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
November 27 2014 22:10 GMT
#2257
On November 28 2014 07:08 XTerm wrote:
im trying to understand how they pick who went through from group D

Snute is 5 - 5 (count the matches ) it display 4-5 but if u count its clearly 5-5

MMA is on 5 - 5
Jakji is on 6 -6

not 3 way tie ? or is the name of the game win as many maps as possible?

Bzzz wrong right at the start.
Hello
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
November 27 2014 22:10 GMT
#2258
On November 28 2014 07:09 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 07:02 SC2Toastie wrote:
On November 28 2014 07:00 ptbl wrote:
Juding from Snute's twitter, he seems to not mind getting knock out of the tournament. He lost his passion?

I heard on BasetradeTV (don't know how true this is) that Snute has scaled down his practice recently, in favor of idk anymore.


Relaxing. You cant go hardcore all year or you'll burn out.

better to burn out than to fade away

my my, hey hey
TL+ Member
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 27 2014 22:10 GMT
#2259
On November 28 2014 07:07 DJHelium wrote:
Err so Liquipedia brackets were wrong? jjakji gets another annoying protoss in MC, still a horrible matchup :D

MC has knocked jjakji out of so many tournaments. Please not another one.


MC murders Jjakji in almost everything they play
Moderator
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
November 27 2014 22:10 GMT
#2260
On November 28 2014 07:06 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2014 07:04 Swede wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On November 28 2014 06:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:
You can beat go 3-2 in maps against a player in GSL format and still see them advance over you. Every format has its advantages and issues. The issue here is very clear. The upside of this format is that everybody plays everybody.

Different people will prefer different formats. I for one find it nice and refreshing to not have the same format at every tournament.


Again the same fallacy. The GSL format is a bracket. Mapscore does not matter. What matters is you win two series. It's entirely in your control. Yes you can argue that if you want to advance out of a round robin you shouldn't lose any maps, but your success or failure is to some degree determined by how well other people in the group do, it's outside of your control.

Brackets, especially double-elim are inherently about the fairest you can get and that's why the GSL group format is so widely used. There is no perfect format but to say we should just accept any format because none of them are 100% fair is a fallacy. This format sucks.

No, it does not.
If your performence comes down to the other players, you've lost at least 2 series. Well, if you can't win over 50% of your series, you wouldn't advance in either format.

This Round Robin lets your player play vs everybody. If it was GSL Bracket style, Impact had shit ZvZ and he played Snute, Lost, Polt, Won, Snute, would you complain that he got to play his worst matchup twice and didn't play his best matchup twice?


If this was GSL format Impact would already be through in first place after winning two matchs in a row.

Whatever. People in LR think they know best as usual. They'd feel differently if they just saw a stack of money go up in smoke over a stupid format.


The fact that you just lost a stack of money literally makes you less qualified to comment on the format, at least while you're upset. It's a conflict of interest.


"conflict of interest"

You do not know what this phrase means.

There's not a person in this thread more qualified to discuss format, unless a tournament organiser or progamer shows up suddenly.

But y'know if you wanna keep believing that Dreamhack are just misunderstood geniuses that have the format all figured out while every other SC2 tournament this year did not use it, feel free. I choose to believe there's a reason no other tournament uses this format and that's because it's terrible.



The fact that most sports don't ever use the GSL format shows just how terrible it is. It pretty much can't get any more unfair than that.
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