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On October 12 2014 10:04 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 10:00 dazed25 wrote:On October 12 2014 09:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 12 2014 09:50 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 12 2014 09:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Finally home, away from family, and can watch some of this. Just it time to not watch my country get embarrased. I'm assuming Huk got his ass kicked just as bad as Scarlett? Probably harder in that, he kind of played pretty much as you would expect him to play and still got stomped. Scarlett didn't really look on her best form, coupled with Heart's style and timings seeming to have been very well planned and executed well to boot. Scarlett not looking her best form is kind of to be expect vs Korean Terran's lately it's kind of sad too because she almost looked dominant again at red bull only to have massive game swings due to widow mines. if only she could stick to muta ling bane and bait out widow mine shots better. It pains me to say this, but Scarlett's success was entirely due to the shape of the metagame vs Terran prior to the patch. She always played very greedy, got up to a very high drone count on minimal units and once she was up to the drone count she wanted she used a high baneling count to just steamroll over her opponents. In matches vs Polt she would take bad engagements consistently but manage to win games due to sheer macro power. The hellbat and widow mine patches directly nerfed what she was doing. She can't get by with those same bad fights she was taking before because she doesn't have the same economic lead going into the midgame and not controlling her Banelings hurts a lot more than it used to.
I wouldn't say it was all due to the metagame but the nerfs did directly affect her style the most and she still hasn't adapted. She keeps trying different styles like swarmhosts and roach ling, and still hasn't figured out a style that works for her post patch. Pretty much all zergs are at a disadvantage in the match up currently. I'm sure scarlett and the other zergs will figure out something by next year.
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Northern Ireland25993 Posts
Family, amusing accents, not being the USA
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On October 12 2014 10:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
It's as if Zergs didn't need to keep up the improvements they were making on baneling splitting and engagement angles because of a previous patch, so they got a bit lazy.
I don't mean lazy as in they don't work hard at their game, and god knows they have a lot of other things mechanically that need doing, but it seems that there needs to be pain, needs to be something incredibly difficult that must be overcome for a long-term improvement in gameplay to occur.
I mean, hypothetically let's say tanks were made stronger because banes were considered imba wayyyy back in WoL. Would we have had the game develop to a stage where to be a Terran of any level of renown, you simply have to be able to split bio pretty competently?
Eh the maps didn't allow for DRG to really get to a late game against Inno.
Leenock is playing even better now against Terran than anyone else arguably.
soO has problems in finals.
And it's not like there were that many great ZvT players before that nerf. Only DRG, Curious and Soulkey by my count.
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On October 12 2014 10:12 The_Templar wrote:
I predict a 3-0 for Pigbaby
I like this prediction
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On October 12 2014 10:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
Family, amusing accents, not being the USA
Ah okay. I was half-expecting "flying hockey pucks."
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On October 12 2014 10:11 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 10:10 IntoTheheart wrote:On October 12 2014 10:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 12 2014 10:09 The_Templar wrote:On October 12 2014 10:08 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So it turns out the internet at my parent's house is somehow WORSE than a public library. Didn't see that coming. Oh mobile... Tell your parents to fix their internet, this is unacceptable It's a rural internet connection, there's not fixing it. The joys of Canada. =/ I would really like to get out of this country sometime. I'm getting sick of it.
Move to Sierra Leone XD
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On October 12 2014 10:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 10:08 stuchiu wrote:On October 12 2014 10:06 olol wrote:On October 12 2014 10:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 12 2014 10:00 dazed25 wrote:On October 12 2014 09:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 12 2014 09:50 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 12 2014 09:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Finally home, away from family, and can watch some of this. Just it time to not watch my country get embarrased. I'm assuming Huk got his ass kicked just as bad as Scarlett? Probably harder in that, he kind of played pretty much as you would expect him to play and still got stomped. Scarlett didn't really look on her best form, coupled with Heart's style and timings seeming to have been very well planned and executed well to boot. Scarlett not looking her best form is kind of to be expect vs Korean Terran's lately it's kind of sad too because she almost looked dominant again at red bull only to have massive game swings due to widow mines. if only she could stick to muta ling bane and bait out widow mine shots better. It pains me to say this, but Scarlett's success was entirely due to the shape of the metagame vs Terran prior to the patch. She always played very greedy, got up to a very high drone count on minimal units and once she was up to the drone count she wanted she used a high baneling count to just steamroll over her opponents. In matches vs Polt she would take bad engagements consistently but manage to win games due to sheer macro power. The hellbat and widow mine patches directly nerfed what she was doing. She can't get by with those same bad fights she was taking before because she doesn't have the same economic lead going into the midgame and not controlling her Banelings hurts a lot more than it used to. But that's the case for pretty much every Zerg nowadays, Terrans are currently just favored. soO, DRG, Dark and Leenock have pretty good ZvT. soO, DRG, Dark and Leenock are not winning tournaments.
And they all have been vocal about being insecure in the matchup since the patch.
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On October 12 2014 10:12 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 10:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
It's as if Zergs didn't need to keep up the improvements they were making on baneling splitting and engagement angles because of a previous patch, so they got a bit lazy.
I don't mean lazy as in they don't work hard at their game, and god knows they have a lot of other things mechanically that need doing, but it seems that there needs to be pain, needs to be something incredibly difficult that must be overcome for a long-term improvement in gameplay to occur.
I mean, hypothetically let's say tanks were made stronger because banes were considered imba wayyyy back in WoL. Would we have had the game develop to a stage where to be a Terran of any level of renown, you simply have to be able to split bio pretty competently?
Eh the maps didn't allow for DRG to really get to a late game against Inno. Leenock is playing even better now against Terran than anyone else arguably. soO has problems in finals. And it's not like there were that many great ZvT players before that nerf. Only DRG, Curious and Soulkey by my count.
Free Curious 2014
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In two or so hours we will know what Blizzcon will basically look like.
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On October 12 2014 10:14 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
In two or so hours we will know what Blizzcon will basically look like.
Maybe one, depending on the length of this match.
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On October 12 2014 10:14 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 10:12 stuchiu wrote:On October 12 2014 10:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
It's as if Zergs didn't need to keep up the improvements they were making on baneling splitting and engagement angles because of a previous patch, so they got a bit lazy.
I don't mean lazy as in they don't work hard at their game, and god knows they have a lot of other things mechanically that need doing, but it seems that there needs to be pain, needs to be something incredibly difficult that must be overcome for a long-term improvement in gameplay to occur.
I mean, hypothetically let's say tanks were made stronger because banes were considered imba wayyyy back in WoL. Would we have had the game develop to a stage where to be a Terran of any level of renown, you simply have to be able to split bio pretty competently?
Eh the maps didn't allow for DRG to really get to a late game against Inno. Leenock is playing even better now against Terran than anyone else arguably. soO has problems in finals. And it's not like there were that many great ZvT players before that nerf. Only DRG, Curious and Soulkey by my count. Free Curious 2014
He started the year off great and then it just went downhill like RorO tbh
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your Country52797 Posts
On October 12 2014 10:11 The_Templar wrote:Map: Overgrowth  Pigbaby spawns in the bottom left  Bomber spawns in the top right
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Barracks first versus a gateway and gas.
Bomber not getting a refinery.
Bomber expanding.
Cybernetics core for Pigbaby.
3:00
Stalker being chronoboosted.
No expansion yet from Pigbaby.
Bomber adding two more barracks.
Pigbaby getting a robotics facility?
4:00
No MSC yet.
Bomber getting a bunker at his natural.
Pigbaby expanding.
5:00
Pigbaby chronoboosting an immortal.
Pigbaby adding on a gateway.
Bomber getting marines.
Bomber parked marines in his main mineral line.
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One base immortal sentry wtf
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On October 12 2014 10:13 dazed25 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 10:09 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On October 12 2014 10:08 stuchiu wrote:On October 12 2014 10:06 olol wrote:On October 12 2014 10:04 Vindicare605 wrote:On October 12 2014 10:00 dazed25 wrote:On October 12 2014 09:51 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 12 2014 09:50 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 12 2014 09:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Finally home, away from family, and can watch some of this. Just it time to not watch my country get embarrased. I'm assuming Huk got his ass kicked just as bad as Scarlett? Probably harder in that, he kind of played pretty much as you would expect him to play and still got stomped. Scarlett didn't really look on her best form, coupled with Heart's style and timings seeming to have been very well planned and executed well to boot. Scarlett not looking her best form is kind of to be expect vs Korean Terran's lately it's kind of sad too because she almost looked dominant again at red bull only to have massive game swings due to widow mines. if only she could stick to muta ling bane and bait out widow mine shots better. It pains me to say this, but Scarlett's success was entirely due to the shape of the metagame vs Terran prior to the patch. She always played very greedy, got up to a very high drone count on minimal units and once she was up to the drone count she wanted she used a high baneling count to just steamroll over her opponents. In matches vs Polt she would take bad engagements consistently but manage to win games due to sheer macro power. The hellbat and widow mine patches directly nerfed what she was doing. She can't get by with those same bad fights she was taking before because she doesn't have the same economic lead going into the midgame and not controlling her Banelings hurts a lot more than it used to. But that's the case for pretty much every Zerg nowadays, Terrans are currently just favored. soO, DRG, Dark and Leenock have pretty good ZvT. soO, DRG, Dark and Leenock are not winning tournaments. And they all have been vocal about being insecure in the matchup since the patch.
Zerg will figure it out. Or at the very least have one asshole keep doing so well that they have no choice. Like soO.
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Northern Ireland25993 Posts
On October 12 2014 10:12 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 10:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
It's as if Zergs didn't need to keep up the improvements they were making on baneling splitting and engagement angles because of a previous patch, so they got a bit lazy.
I don't mean lazy as in they don't work hard at their game, and god knows they have a lot of other things mechanically that need doing, but it seems that there needs to be pain, needs to be something incredibly difficult that must be overcome for a long-term improvement in gameplay to occur.
I mean, hypothetically let's say tanks were made stronger because banes were considered imba wayyyy back in WoL. Would we have had the game develop to a stage where to be a Terran of any level of renown, you simply have to be able to split bio pretty competently?
Eh the maps didn't allow for DRG to really get to a late game against Inno. Leenock is playing even better now against Terran than anyone else arguably. soO has problems in finals. And it's not like there were that many great ZvT players before that nerf. Only DRG, Curious and Soulkey by my count.
I wish I saw Leenock games, he's gone off my radar somewhat.
It's not so much that the nerf was/wasn't warranted, what I was noticing was that Zergs were noticeably, slowly getting better across the board. A bit longer with the extra requirements in engagement micro and perhaps it might have 'stuck' if you will.
Post-nerf I swear it's sometimes like watching early HoTS when I see people engage biomine, it's as if some people have just atrophied now that the mine is super potent again they are getting punished.  isclaimer, not calling anyone a patchzerg or whatever*
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On October 12 2014 10:14 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 10:12 stuchiu wrote:On October 12 2014 10:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
It's as if Zergs didn't need to keep up the improvements they were making on baneling splitting and engagement angles because of a previous patch, so they got a bit lazy.
I don't mean lazy as in they don't work hard at their game, and god knows they have a lot of other things mechanically that need doing, but it seems that there needs to be pain, needs to be something incredibly difficult that must be overcome for a long-term improvement in gameplay to occur.
I mean, hypothetically let's say tanks were made stronger because banes were considered imba wayyyy back in WoL. Would we have had the game develop to a stage where to be a Terran of any level of renown, you simply have to be able to split bio pretty competently?
Eh the maps didn't allow for DRG to really get to a late game against Inno. Leenock is playing even better now against Terran than anyone else arguably. soO has problems in finals. And it's not like there were that many great ZvT players before that nerf. Only DRG, Curious and Soulkey by my count. Free Curious 2014
Seriously what happened to this guy? I remember him beating 2013 nearly invulnerable innovation then seemingly disappearing off the face of the earth.
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Doesn't PB have a second nex?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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On October 12 2014 10:15 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
One base immortal sentry wtf
#RevengeOfThePig.
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How often does Bomber's greed get punished?
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