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Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
August 29 2014 22:55 GMT
#4561
On August 30 2014 07:49 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:48 Welmu wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:41 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:38 Welmu wrote:
Little bit sad to see this amount of balance whine in TL :/

Flash tends to play constantly greedy as a standard play which is big weakness in his play and easily exploited by wise player like MC. MC made sure in 2nd game to see how Flash reacts to proxy Stargate play and adjusts last game accordingly to that making sure that Flash skips scanning Protoss base in this situation and having no idea what MC is doing behind proxy SG expecting standard play behind it and even moving out with his army for which MC's build is perfect counter to. If Flash had send his scouting scv straight to MC's natural to see his a bit late nexus timing he would've known its tech before Nexus but even in that situation I think Flash wouldn't have changed his build too much. Flash's play in SC2 has never been really good in tournaments where you dont have long time to prepare for specific match so I'm actually pretty suprised how people expect Flash to do very well in this IEM

Don't be misleaded by the vocal minority. Cool to see you post btw!

Haha I guess i'm just still used to BW days when I didn't really see balance whine at all and more player praise instead, or maybe I just have selective memory ^^


Balance whine is definitely more vocal now than say, five years ago. Cool to see you clear some misconceptions up though!

It's nice to do from time to time
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 29 2014 22:55 GMT
#4562
On August 30 2014 07:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC vs. Flash rematch? If Flash wins the rematch, that would be awful x.x


I wonder if MC has more in the bag than what he's shown vsT
Moderator
Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
August 29 2014 22:55 GMT
#4563
If only Scarlett planted a nydus worm into Flash's base... I think she forget she can do that.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/lw2yN.jpg[/url]
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
August 29 2014 22:55 GMT
#4564
On August 30 2014 07:53 sharkie wrote:
If scarlett had opened better Flash could have lost this game
he plays very bad vs SH style :o

His battering against the swarmhosts with mass medivacs worked a lot better than that doom drop he tried in the main.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
August 29 2014 22:55 GMT
#4565
I love how Flash refused to kill the swarm hosts. It was kinda weird though :x
$♥$
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
August 29 2014 22:55 GMT
#4566
SH is sooooo Fcking stupid game unit, hope things will change in LOTV. For the best of all races...
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
August 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#4567
On August 30 2014 07:54 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:53 KeksX wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:52 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:49 Zealously wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:48 Welmu wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:41 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:38 Welmu wrote:
Little bit sad to see this amount of balance whine in TL :/

Flash tends to play constantly greedy as a standard play which is big weakness in his play and easily exploited by wise player like MC. MC made sure in 2nd game to see how Flash reacts to proxy Stargate play and adjusts last game accordingly to that making sure that Flash skips scanning Protoss base in this situation and having no idea what MC is doing behind proxy SG expecting standard play behind it and even moving out with his army for which MC's build is perfect counter to. If Flash had send his scouting scv straight to MC's natural to see his a bit late nexus timing he would've known its tech before Nexus but even in that situation I think Flash wouldn't have changed his build too much. Flash's play in SC2 has never been really good in tournaments where you dont have long time to prepare for specific match so I'm actually pretty suprised how people expect Flash to do very well in this IEM

Don't be misleaded by the vocal minority. Cool to see you post btw!

Haha I guess i'm just still used to BW days when I didn't really see balance whine at all and more player praise instead, or maybe I just have selective memory ^^


Balance whine is definitely more vocal now than say, five years ago. Cool to see you clear some misconceptions up though!


Its because Blizzard patches things. People get the impression that balance whining can affect patches, which wasn't a feeling you could get in BW.

That's a good point actually


It's not only that, though. BW is pretty much generally agreed to be "balanced" while SC2 is still so new compared to BW(keep in mind if we look back we're at 2003~2004 right now) that people consider it far from being balanced eventhough they don't realise that BW's balance came from maps and players' adjustments, not Blizzard.

Although one could argue that SC2's design is more flawed than BW but that is nothing for a LR thread.


I don't think that whining necessarily correlates with how balanced the game is.


Nono, my point is the other way around. People consider BW balanced due to it's age and all that, and see SC2 as a new game and justify their balance complains through that.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
August 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#4568
So, will Flash go full MvP and 2rax this map?
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
August 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#4569
On August 30 2014 07:54 ptbl wrote:
Scarlett aint no snute.

It's not easy to snute when you start with a 20 drone deficit.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
August 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#4570
On August 30 2014 07:54 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:53 KeksX wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:52 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:49 Zealously wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:48 Welmu wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:41 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:38 Welmu wrote:
Little bit sad to see this amount of balance whine in TL :/

Flash tends to play constantly greedy as a standard play which is big weakness in his play and easily exploited by wise player like MC. MC made sure in 2nd game to see how Flash reacts to proxy Stargate play and adjusts last game accordingly to that making sure that Flash skips scanning Protoss base in this situation and having no idea what MC is doing behind proxy SG expecting standard play behind it and even moving out with his army for which MC's build is perfect counter to. If Flash had send his scouting scv straight to MC's natural to see his a bit late nexus timing he would've known its tech before Nexus but even in that situation I think Flash wouldn't have changed his build too much. Flash's play in SC2 has never been really good in tournaments where you dont have long time to prepare for specific match so I'm actually pretty suprised how people expect Flash to do very well in this IEM

Don't be misleaded by the vocal minority. Cool to see you post btw!

Haha I guess i'm just still used to BW days when I didn't really see balance whine at all and more player praise instead, or maybe I just have selective memory ^^


Balance whine is definitely more vocal now than say, five years ago. Cool to see you clear some misconceptions up though!


Its because Blizzard patches things. People get the impression that balance whining can affect patches, which wasn't a feeling you could get in BW.

That's a good point actually


It's not only that, though. BW is pretty much generally agreed to be "balanced" while SC2 is still so new compared to BW(keep in mind if we look back we're at 2003~2004 right now) that people consider it far from being balanced eventhough they don't realise that BW's balance came from maps and players' adjustments, not Blizzard.

Although one could argue that SC2's design is more flawed than BW but that is nothing for a LR thread.


I don't think that whining necessarily correlates with how balanced the game is.


Whining doesn't correlate with anything. Last week I had a hunter tell me hunter is imba and for scrubs in HS.
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
August 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#4571
On August 30 2014 07:55 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:53 Jampackedeon wrote:
I don't think Flash has ever played against that, but he hit such a PERFECT timing with the first drop.hellions that he had a lead for almost the whole game.

"Ever" is a pretty big word. For players who practice 40 games a day, they will probably have seen the weirdest stuff.


the 40 game, 12 hour everyday crap is a myth
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32748 Posts
August 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#4572
Looks like Life is going to 2-0 MC.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#4573
On August 30 2014 07:54 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:52 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:49 Zealously wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:48 Welmu wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:41 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:38 Welmu wrote:
Little bit sad to see this amount of balance whine in TL :/

Flash tends to play constantly greedy as a standard play which is big weakness in his play and easily exploited by wise player like MC. MC made sure in 2nd game to see how Flash reacts to proxy Stargate play and adjusts last game accordingly to that making sure that Flash skips scanning Protoss base in this situation and having no idea what MC is doing behind proxy SG expecting standard play behind it and even moving out with his army for which MC's build is perfect counter to. If Flash had send his scouting scv straight to MC's natural to see his a bit late nexus timing he would've known its tech before Nexus but even in that situation I think Flash wouldn't have changed his build too much. Flash's play in SC2 has never been really good in tournaments where you dont have long time to prepare for specific match so I'm actually pretty suprised how people expect Flash to do very well in this IEM

Don't be misleaded by the vocal minority. Cool to see you post btw!

Haha I guess i'm just still used to BW days when I didn't really see balance whine at all and more player praise instead, or maybe I just have selective memory ^^


Balance whine is definitely more vocal now than say, five years ago. Cool to see you clear some misconceptions up though!


Its because Blizzard patches things. People get the impression that balance whining can affect patches, which wasn't a feeling you could get in BW.

That's a good point actually

There has never been any balance changes patches in Brood War ?


Not after 2001 I think.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#4574
On August 30 2014 07:54 Talaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:53 ThomasjServo wrote:
Looked like an interpretation of what Snute refined.

the new meta/style already catching on ? ^^

Would be hilarious when Flash comes back to GSL group D and only faces swarmhosts lol
Neosteel Enthusiast
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 29 2014 22:56 GMT
#4575
Damn life you busting everyone
Moderator
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
August 29 2014 22:57 GMT
#4576
Damn it, and I have to leave soon, I will be plagued by doubt all evening.

Do it Scarlett!
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
August 29 2014 22:57 GMT
#4577
Flash showing that he loves blind aggressive openings even more than mc.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
August 29 2014 22:57 GMT
#4578
On August 30 2014 07:55 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC vs. Flash rematch? If Flash wins the rematch, that would be awful x.x


I wonder if MC has more in the bag than what he's shown vsT

that's a trick question if i have ever seen one.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 29 2014 22:57 GMT
#4579
On August 30 2014 07:56 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:54 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:53 KeksX wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:52 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:49 Zealously wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:48 Welmu wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:41 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:38 Welmu wrote:
Little bit sad to see this amount of balance whine in TL :/

Flash tends to play constantly greedy as a standard play which is big weakness in his play and easily exploited by wise player like MC. MC made sure in 2nd game to see how Flash reacts to proxy Stargate play and adjusts last game accordingly to that making sure that Flash skips scanning Protoss base in this situation and having no idea what MC is doing behind proxy SG expecting standard play behind it and even moving out with his army for which MC's build is perfect counter to. If Flash had send his scouting scv straight to MC's natural to see his a bit late nexus timing he would've known its tech before Nexus but even in that situation I think Flash wouldn't have changed his build too much. Flash's play in SC2 has never been really good in tournaments where you dont have long time to prepare for specific match so I'm actually pretty suprised how people expect Flash to do very well in this IEM

Don't be misleaded by the vocal minority. Cool to see you post btw!

Haha I guess i'm just still used to BW days when I didn't really see balance whine at all and more player praise instead, or maybe I just have selective memory ^^


Balance whine is definitely more vocal now than say, five years ago. Cool to see you clear some misconceptions up though!


Its because Blizzard patches things. People get the impression that balance whining can affect patches, which wasn't a feeling you could get in BW.

That's a good point actually


It's not only that, though. BW is pretty much generally agreed to be "balanced" while SC2 is still so new compared to BW(keep in mind if we look back we're at 2003~2004 right now) that people consider it far from being balanced eventhough they don't realise that BW's balance came from maps and players' adjustments, not Blizzard.

Although one could argue that SC2's design is more flawed than BW but that is nothing for a LR thread.


I don't think that whining necessarily correlates with how balanced the game is.


Nono, my point is the other way around. People consider BW balanced due to it's age and all that, and see SC2 as a new game and justify their balance complains through that.


Ohh OK. I absolutely agree with you.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
August 29 2014 22:57 GMT
#4580
On August 30 2014 07:54 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 07:52 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:49 Zealously wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:48 Welmu wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:41 Penev wrote:
On August 30 2014 07:38 Welmu wrote:
Little bit sad to see this amount of balance whine in TL :/

Flash tends to play constantly greedy as a standard play which is big weakness in his play and easily exploited by wise player like MC. MC made sure in 2nd game to see how Flash reacts to proxy Stargate play and adjusts last game accordingly to that making sure that Flash skips scanning Protoss base in this situation and having no idea what MC is doing behind proxy SG expecting standard play behind it and even moving out with his army for which MC's build is perfect counter to. If Flash had send his scouting scv straight to MC's natural to see his a bit late nexus timing he would've known its tech before Nexus but even in that situation I think Flash wouldn't have changed his build too much. Flash's play in SC2 has never been really good in tournaments where you dont have long time to prepare for specific match so I'm actually pretty suprised how people expect Flash to do very well in this IEM

Don't be misleaded by the vocal minority. Cool to see you post btw!

Haha I guess i'm just still used to BW days when I didn't really see balance whine at all and more player praise instead, or maybe I just have selective memory ^^


Balance whine is definitely more vocal now than say, five years ago. Cool to see you clear some misconceptions up though!


Its because Blizzard patches things. People get the impression that balance whining can affect patches, which wasn't a feeling you could get in BW.

That's a good point actually

There has never been any balance changes patches in Brood War ?

The last balance patch for Brood War was released in 2001
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
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