The problem is that it's too binary. In ZvT, if you are on creep, you're good, if not, you might as well not even try. It's too drastic of a difference. It should be a bonus, not mandatory. I'd argue it actually limits depth in its current implementation, because it restricts zerg so harshly in the late game.

This pretty much applies for many things in the design theme of SC2, though. Force fields great/super bad, splits great/super bad etc, there's little inbetween. I agree that going towards "less harsher" differences in game mechanics might be good but I just don't see it being done without destroying the mechanic itself(see: nydus).

Squat

Sweden7978 Posts

August 23 2014 20:00 GMT

#623

Is this like ling-runby day or something?

PhoenixVoid

Canada32740 Posts

August 23 2014 20:00 GMT

#624

That was a funny way to end the game. Massive Ling run-by into Illusion's main while slow Banelings on creep win out.

wUndertUnge

United States1125 Posts

August 23 2014 20:00 GMT

#625

On August 24 2014 04:57 wUndertUnge wrote:
8 mutas? that's gameending

I retract my statement

mikumegurine

Canada3145 Posts

August 23 2014 20:00 GMT

#626

now Kane gets to face Stardust

SetGuitarsToKill

Canada28396 Posts

August 23 2014 20:01 GMT

#627

If Illusion had done a bit more kitting on those banelings he could have done so much more with his main push.

Squat

Sweden7978 Posts

August 23 2014 20:01 GMT

#628

On August 24 2014 04:59 KeksX wrote:

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Creep would be far easier to tune than forcefields and splits. They are not comparable. Any speed bonus is good, creep spread would still be beneficial. I think that is a false fear, creep could easily be relevant without being binary.

nkr

Sweden5451 Posts

August 23 2014 20:04 GMT

#629

On August 24 2014 05:00 wUndertUnge wrote:

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I retract my statement

It was game ending, just not in illusions favor!

wUndertUnge

United States1125 Posts

August 23 2014 20:04 GMT

#630

On August 24 2014 04:56 Squat wrote:

The problem is that it's too binary. In ZvT, if you are on creep, you're good, if not, you might as well not even try. It's too drastic of a difference. It should be a bonus, not mandatory. I'd argue it actually limits depth in its current implementation, because it restricts zerg so harshly in the late game.

Theorycraft: what is there was a hive upgrade where all your units would have the creep bonus while Hive is still alive. It would have to be something that opposing armies could take out, otherwise it would be super OP

KeksX

Germany3634 Posts

August 23 2014 20:04 GMT

#631

On August 24 2014 05:01 Squat wrote:

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On August 24 2014 04:59 KeksX wrote:

On August 24 2014 04:56 Squat wrote:

On August 24 2014 04:52 KeksX wrote:

On August 24 2014 04:49 Squat wrote:

On August 24 2014 04:45 PhoenixVoid wrote:

On August 24 2014 04:41 Squat wrote:

On August 24 2014 04:39 IntoTheheart wrote:

On August 24 2014 04:34 Squat wrote:

On August 24 2014 04:32 PhoenixVoid wrote:
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ToD is 6'3.

Which is what, like 192 centimetres? I am not completely fluent in the full foreigner measurement system.

186, I think. I know a little bit of American measurements, since I'm Canadian. T_T

6 even is like 181, 6'3 is definitely closer to 190+.

On a different note, I really hope zerg gets some interesting options for engaging off creep in LotV. It's so frustrating how the entire army is rendered almost useless when the creep is gone.

Dumb theorycrafting here for LotV but perhaps a minor speed upgrade off creep on Hive tech? Like a 10% speed bonus for all ground units might be enough to prevent Zerg from being so weak off creep.

Honestly, I'd just bite the bullet and nerf creep. The speed differential is just too much. Decrease speed on creep, increase speed off. Right now, creep is technically quite OP, it's just that every zerg ground unit except lings moves like a 90 year old arthritis patient off creep, so it balances out.

But creep actually requires APM and strategic thinking whereas simply buffing speed off creep would remove depth. Creep is as "OP" as other abilities(they only look OP in the hands of someone utilizing it good enough).

How so? If you buff the speed off creep so that you don't need creep anymore, I can see it being used as regularly as Nydus(e.g. not worth the investment, much rather get extra lings instead of queens for creep or save energy for transfuse), and if you don't buff it enough and creep spread would still be much better then I think it would still stay binary.

Depends on what you want to achieve though, if you're only talking about ZvT with Terran BioMine it seems like it's really hard to not make it binary since it's already a really close case.