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On June 23 2014 05:30 r691175002 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure the rules contain no provision for race switching after a win.
The rules explicitly state "The losing player may switch race between matches" but is silent on whether the winning player may do so.
The casters stated that "The winning player may also switch, as it is a separate rule" but no such rule is listed on the mlg website.
I'm not complaining, but I am pretty sure MLG let it slide due to her popularity.
or you could re-read the rules
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 23 2014 05:30 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that. I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game. In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u She won ONE GAME. With an ALL IN. That DRG did NOTHING to scout, and he had NO speed.
I know. Wasn't it great?
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On June 23 2014 05:30 r691175002 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure the rules contain no provision for race switching after a win.
The rules explicitly state "The losing player may switch race between matches" but is silent on whether the winning player may do so.
The casters stated that "The winning player may also switch, as it is a separate rule" but no such rule is listed on the mlg website.
I'm not complaining, but I am pretty sure MLG let it slide due to her popularity.
No, the rules literally state: "6. Both Players may switch their Race after each Game." Under Gameplay Rules here.
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Poll: WinnerScarlett (18) 53% Polt (11) 32% StarDust (2) 6% RagnaroK (2) 6% Trap (1) 3% Violet (0) 0% 34 total votes Your vote: Winner (Vote): Polt
(Vote): Violet
(Vote): StarDust
(Vote): Trap
(Vote): RagnaroK
(Vote): Scarlett
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On June 23 2014 05:30 r691175002 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure the rules contain no provision for race switching after a win.
The rules explicitly state "The losing player may switch race between matches" but is silent on whether the winning player may do so.
The casters stated that "The winning player may also switch, as it is a separate rule" but no such rule is listed on the mlg website.
I'm not complaining, but I am pretty sure MLG let it slide due to her popularity.
No the rules said either player can switch race whenever.
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On June 23 2014 05:31 [17]Purple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:30 r691175002 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure the rules contain no provision for race switching after a win.
The rules explicitly state "The losing player may switch race between matches" but is silent on whether the winning player may do so.
The casters stated that "The winning player may also switch, as it is a separate rule" but no such rule is listed on the mlg website.
I'm not complaining, but I am pretty sure MLG let it slide due to her popularity. People still say this even when the rules are explicitly stated on the top of this thread? Look up Gameplay Rule 6
Rule # 6: Breaking any of Gameplay Rules #2-5 will result in a Forfeit of the Game.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/starcraft-2-rules-and-settings
How is that relevant?
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On June 23 2014 05:31 Big J wrote:And TvZ as Terran confirmed easiest matchup.
From what I've experienced, Zerg players tend to do very well with Terran in TvZ, mostly because so much of knowing that match up is to understand how to attack and harass a Zerg before you get steamrolled by their macro.
No one understands how to attack a zerg like a zerg player. They have an innate understanding that makes them good at that match up.
TvT and TvP are entirely different animals however. I meet very few Zergs that are able to wrap their heads completely around TvT.
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On June 23 2014 05:32 radscorpion9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:30 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Am I allowed to think that it is GOOD for SC2? I mean, isn't it cool that someone masters(ish) both races and can use them at will? It seems that if someone could do that they would have a huge advantage in the game and it would be actually stupid NOT to exploit match ups and maps. If we see players copy this it expands the game to unheard of places and makes the game multidimensional. I think its good as an option...but the chances that that will work again are pretty rare. The only times it will is with an all-in that is easy to execute; so probably, most of the time it will be protoss. But then it should be expected, so it probably will be predicted and deflected
Yeah, if this is common, it is more easily deflected... think of this as a new cheese that has just popped up, in the first month it is good, after that, not so much anymore
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On June 23 2014 05:30 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that. I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game. In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u She won ONE GAME. With an ALL IN. That DRG did NOTHING to scout, and he had NO speed.
Why do people keep saying that DRG didn't scout? He clearly sacked an overlord that got killed by an early stalker and saw the gateways going down. This is the entire reason he already had so many queens built and lings flooding as soon as Scarlett's attack hit.
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On June 23 2014 05:32 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:30 Heartland wrote:On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that. I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game. In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u She won ONE GAME. With an ALL IN. That DRG did NOTHING to scout, and he had NO speed. I know. Wasn't it great?
You must partying right now.
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United States23455 Posts
On June 23 2014 05:32 SlammerIV wrote:Ragnarok looks a little nervouse 
"Please don't Protoss me Scarlett."
BTW how long do you think DRG will be in Kespa jail for losing to a foreigner's off race?
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On June 23 2014 05:21 Foreverkul wrote:This was a historic match in the sense it sadly revealed a flaw in SC2 
While technically possible, I do think this "flaw" is awfully blunted by the fact that DRG beat both Seed and Huk handily.
I think a lot of people should consider the fact that DRG had NO idea what to expect from Scarlett. If it had been Huk he'd playing against for example, a lot of people would probably not be surprised to see DRG play a lot safer than he did. The player has a big affect on the matchup, and I think that definitely helped Scarlett out.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 23 2014 05:32 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that. I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game. In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u In general, forum-goers shouldn't assume that they know how much a player has practised or how good said player is at various things. Your assumption that Scarlett has "only practised a few weeks" is based on the faulty idea that she does not already have monstrously good base skills applicable to all three races. Mvp used to be able to beat European pros with all three races without breaking sweat. It's not unheard of, but you're letting your bias against Protoss convince you that she really only won because she picked Protoss, disregarding skill.
Actually he beat some pros with all 3 races in Korea.
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On June 23 2014 05:32 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:30 Heartland wrote:On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that. I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game. In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u She won ONE GAME. With an ALL IN. That DRG did NOTHING to scout, and he had NO speed. I know. Wasn't it great?
It was beautiful
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will she play protoss again? will TL go into another rage over it? will she lose her tournament life because of it or will we have to watch crappy roach vs roachs all the time?
all these and more on MLG
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On June 23 2014 05:30 r691175002 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure the rules contain no provision for race switching after a win.
The rules explicitly state "The losing player may switch race between matches" but is silent on whether the winning player may do so.
The casters stated that "The winning player may also switch, as it is a separate rule" but no such rule is listed on the mlg website.
I'm not complaining, but I am pretty sure MLG let it slide due to her popularity.
http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/66?mlg_source=anaheimalertbar#event_157_rules
Go to the section called gameplay rules.
6. Both Players may switch their Race after each Game.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 23 2014 05:30 r691175002 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure the rules contain no provision for race switching after a win.
The rules explicitly state "The losing player may switch race between matches" but is silent on whether the winning player may do so.
The casters stated that "The winning player may also switch, as it is a separate rule" but no such rule is listed on the mlg website.
I'm not complaining, but I am pretty sure MLG let it slide due to her popularity.
There is a mod note on top of the thread with a link to MLG's rules. Read them.
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On June 23 2014 05:32 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:31 Big J wrote:On June 23 2014 05:28 Xinzoe wrote:Terran confirmed hardest race ![[image loading]](http://www.picresize.com/images/rsz_scarlett.png) And TvZ as Terran confirmed easiest matchup. From what I've experienced, Zerg players tend to do very well with Terran in TvZ, mostly because so much of knowing that match up is to understand how to attack and harass a Zerg before you get steamrolled by their macro. No one understands how to attack a zerg like a zerg player. They have an innate understanding that makes them good at that match up. TvT and TvP are entirely different animals however. I meet very few Zergs that are able to wrap their heads completely around TvT.
Comparing ZvZ and TvT is like comparing a vicious knife fight to a slow chess game.
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On June 23 2014 05:33 Darkhorse wrote:"Please don't Protoss me Scarlett." BTW how long do you think DRG will be in Kespa jail for losing to a foreigner's off race?
byun level
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your Country52798 Posts
On June 23 2014 05:32 r691175002 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 05:31 [17]Purple wrote:On June 23 2014 05:30 r691175002 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure the rules contain no provision for race switching after a win.
The rules explicitly state "The losing player may switch race between matches" but is silent on whether the winning player may do so.
The casters stated that "The winning player may also switch, as it is a separate rule" but no such rule is listed on the mlg website.
I'm not complaining, but I am pretty sure MLG let it slide due to her popularity. People still say this even when the rules are explicitly stated on the top of this thread? Look up Gameplay Rule 6 Rule # 6: Breaking any of Gameplay Rules #2-5 will result in a Forfeit of the Game. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/starcraft-2-rules-and-settingsHow is that relevant?
*sigh*
Can we add the link to the proper rule to the mod note?
edit: nvm it's up there
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