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Whining about Protoss or balance will be more harshly moderated from page 90 onwards.

Before making comments on race picking, refer to MLG's rules
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 22 2014 20:30 GMT
#2001
On June 23 2014 05:28 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:26 Squat wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:24 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:23 Packawana wrote:
Wait so is the MLG extended series rule still in full force?


I believe extended series is finally gone

From what I've been told, person coming from the losers' final into the grand final has to win 2 Bo3. I could be completely wrong though.

Yeah the loser's bracket winner has to win two Bo3's

Well if she makes it all the way and has to play Polt she's completely fucked then.

Oh wait.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 22 2014 20:30 GMT
#2002
On June 23 2014 05:18 Jer99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:17 Zealously wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:17 Jer99 wrote:
So now instead of calling protoss OP, you heard it from her that she practiced the shit out of it


You're telling me Protoss players need to practise?


Not as much as terran or zerg though


Tell that to Huk.
r691175002
Profile Joined October 2012
249 Posts
June 22 2014 20:30 GMT
#2003
I am almost 100% sure the rules contain no provision for race switching after a win.

The rules explicitly state "The losing player may switch race between matches" but is silent on whether the winning player may do so.

The casters stated that "The winning player may also switch, as it is a separate rule" but no such rule is listed on the mlg website.

I'm not complaining, but I am pretty sure MLG let it slide due to her popularity.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
June 22 2014 20:30 GMT
#2004
On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG


I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that.

I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss


As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game.


In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u


She won ONE GAME. With an ALL IN. That DRG did NOTHING to scout, and he had NO speed.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
June 22 2014 20:30 GMT
#2005
On June 23 2014 05:29 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:28 Zealously wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG


I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that.

I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss


As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game.


I'm convinced I could memorize the Immortal/sentry all-in and pull it off as well as Par-

Wait

Startale Zealously?


no, he would be traitor zealously if he became parting.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 22 2014 20:30 GMT
#2006
On June 23 2014 05:30 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:29 The_Templar wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:28 nkr wrote:
rub The_Templar for good luck

Um… no thanks


what makes you think you have a say in this?!

I'm 17, I can make my own decisions as long as I get permission from my parents
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 22 2014 20:31 GMT
#2007
On June 23 2014 05:29 SlammerIV wrote:
LOL DRG got Crushed in roach in roach, his best strat and scarletts worst in zvz LOL
DRG fanboys. Scarlett to good.


you acting like DRG is good atm? ._.
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
June 22 2014 20:31 GMT
#2008
On June 23 2014 05:30 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:29 stuchiu wrote:
Pros that are happy that Scarlett won:

Taeja
Hyun
Nerchio
Harstem
Hitman
Miniraiser
Kane

stephano

Pros that are outraged

Rain
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
June 22 2014 20:31 GMT
#2009
On June 23 2014 05:28 Xinzoe wrote:
Terran confirmed hardest race

[image loading]


And TvZ as Terran confirmed easiest matchup.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
June 22 2014 20:31 GMT
#2010
On June 23 2014 05:30 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:27 Waise wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:26 Paljas wrote:
this is actually hilarious.

i do hope tho that race switches during a match will be illegal in future tournaments

if you're good enough to win with multiple races you should be able to pick whichever one you want at any time imo

disagree, i dont want to watch race switches all the time because people think they can metagame each other.
if you want to switch races midseries, pick random

how dare starcraft players try to metagame each other?!?!?!
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-22 20:32:14
June 22 2014 20:31 GMT
#2011
On June 23 2014 05:30 r691175002 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure the rules contain no provision for race switching after a win.

The rules explicitly state "The losing player may switch race between matches" but is silent on whether the winning player may do so.

The casters stated that "The winning player may also switch, as it is a separate rule" but no such rule is listed on the mlg website.

I'm not complaining, but I am pretty sure MLG let it slide due to her popularity.

People still say this even when the rules are explicitly stated on the top of this thread?

Look up Gameplay Rule 6
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 22 2014 20:31 GMT
#2012
On June 23 2014 05:30 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:29 stuchiu wrote:
Pros that are happy that Scarlett won:

Taeja
Hyun
Nerchio
Harstem
Hitman
Miniraiser
Kane

stephano

Has almost surely
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
June 22 2014 20:31 GMT
#2013
On June 23 2014 05:30 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:27 Waise wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:26 Paljas wrote:
this is actually hilarious.

i do hope tho that race switches during a match will be illegal in future tournaments

if you're good enough to win with multiple races you should be able to pick whichever one you want at any time imo

disagree, i dont want to watch race switches all the time because people think they can metagame each other.
if you want to switch races midseries, pick random

Morrow racepicked. And as we all know, he pretty much destroyed the 2011 metagame...
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
June 22 2014 20:31 GMT
#2014
On June 23 2014 05:30 r691175002 wrote:
I am almost 100% sure the rules contain no provision for race switching after a win.

The rules explicitly state "The losing player may switch race between matches" but is silent on whether the winning player may do so.

The casters stated that "The winning player may also switch, as it is a separate rule" but no such rule is listed on the mlg website.

I'm not complaining, but I am pretty sure MLG let it slide due to her popularity.

that's the thing about "almost"
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 22 2014 20:32 GMT
#2015
On June 23 2014 05:29 stuchiu wrote:
Pros that are happy that Scarlett won:

Taeja
Hyun
Nerchio
Harstem
Hitman
Miniraiser
Kane


I'd imagine Major and Suppy (the other zerg illuminati) are happy as well
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
June 22 2014 20:32 GMT
#2016
On June 23 2014 05:30 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Am I allowed to think that it is GOOD for SC2? I mean, isn't it cool that someone masters(ish) both races and can use them at will? It seems that if someone could do that they would have a huge advantage in the game and it would be actually stupid NOT to exploit match ups and maps. If we see players copy this it expands the game to unheard of places and makes the game multidimensional.


I think its good as an option...but the chances that that will work again are pretty rare. The only times it will is with an all-in that is easy to execute; so probably, most of the time it will be protoss. But then it should be expected, so it probably will be predicted and deflected
SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
June 22 2014 20:32 GMT
#2017
Ragnarok looks a little nervouse
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 22 2014 20:32 GMT
#2018
On June 23 2014 05:29 Foreverkul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:25 Konranjyoutai wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:21 radscorpion9 wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:20 sacrilegious wrote:
Aside from what she did whether it was truly legal or not (guessing the MLG rule books say it was ok), that was a history in itself BO3 series there... to race switch with the stakes on the line... holy crap that was insane she took out DRG


I feel like people don't realize how important it was that DRG did three expansions so quickly. He put himself in the riskiest of positions. I mean as someone who is facing an opponent who rarely plays protoss (you would think), what's the first thing you would expect? Probably an all-in of some type, because its the easiest to execute. Yet he does the riskiest build against that.

I'm not sure its so much Scarlett's victory as it was DRG's loss


As Day9 stated when casting the game and DRG sacked an overlord to scout, this is how DRG holds that pressure. He mass produced queens and slow lings as that is usually all that DRG needs to hold it (you can watch his older games vs this 7 gate pressure and see the same thing). Scarlett just memorized the build order and executed it properly with stutter micro. I'm not saying that its right, but that is what happened and DRG thought he could hold. Realistically you should have to do more than just memorize a build to win a game.


In general you shouldn't be able to play a whole other race at a competitive level just by practicing it a few weeks. It devalues the players of that race. This seems like a big deal for a game that is already jokingly quoted as "dead game" and the race in question is already under fire for being considered OP. u_u


In general, forum-goers shouldn't assume that they know how much a player has practised or how good said player is at various things. Your assumption that Scarlett has "only practised a few weeks" is based on the faulty idea that she does not already have monstrously good base skills applicable to all three races. Mvp used to be able to beat European pros with all three races without breaking sweat. It's not unheard of, but you're letting your bias against Protoss convince you that she really only won because she picked Protoss, disregarding skill.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 22 2014 20:32 GMT
#2019
On June 23 2014 05:30 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:28 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:26 Squat wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:24 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
On June 23 2014 05:23 Packawana wrote:
Wait so is the MLG extended series rule still in full force?


I believe extended series is finally gone

From what I've been told, person coming from the losers' final into the grand final has to win 2 Bo3. I could be completely wrong though.

Yeah the loser's bracket winner has to win two Bo3's

Well if she makes it all the way and has to play Polt she's completely fucked then.

Oh wait.

If that happens it will be confirmed. Scarlett >>>>>>>>>>> Polt when more than one Bo3 must occur
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
June 22 2014 20:32 GMT
#2020
On June 23 2014 05:31 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 05:28 Xinzoe wrote:
Terran confirmed hardest race

[image loading]


And TvZ as Terran confirmed easiest matchup.


It's probably just that Scarlett has a much better understanding of that matchup compared to the others.

We all know that TvT is terran's easiest matchup.

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