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No GSL spoilers please, some of the people tuning in to HSC did not have the chance to watch GSL yet
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
June 06 2014 13:59 GMT
#241
On June 06 2014 22:55 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:54 playa wrote:
Random is clearly UP. Map hackers rarely get number 1 on ladders and most of them can't even make GM. Clearly, map hacks need buffs, too.

i am not sure wtf this is supposed to tell me


A lot of people make the nonsensical argument revolving around there being so few successful random players, when no one mentions that hardly anyone plays random (there's probably a lot more people map hacking, yet they wouldn't win GSL's either). O, and if you mention that, people would argue that it's too hard to learn random. Frankly, I wouldn't play random because it's close to cheating. And, playing both sides of a mu, actually accelerates your understanding by so much.

And, in a mirror mu, you get to play with a mineral advantage from the get go. People give random players way too much credit. I don't see how you could ever consider a random player an underdog if they have pro level skill, unless they have 1 race that is not at a pro level.

It's a pet peeve. Random has always bothered me more than anything else in the game balance wise. I'd rather play a hacker than a random player. Honest to god.
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 13:59:55
June 06 2014 13:59 GMT
#242
I think Balloon is going to break the meta, and play reaper marine. XD
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
June 06 2014 13:59 GMT
#243
If this is even close I'll be surprised. Balloon's ability to perform well in KR GM is almost all on his P and Z play
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 06 2014 14:00 GMT
#244
That is one impressive french accent. Reminds me of Peter Sellers in the Pink Panther. It's a bömb!
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 06 2014 14:00 GMT
#245
If Bomber goes with 2 tanks before stim is done this is super hard to hold for Balloon.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
June 06 2014 14:00 GMT
#246
Le Bombeur dropping le SCVs.
Get off my lawn, young punks
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
June 06 2014 14:00 GMT
#247
--- Nuked ---
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
June 06 2014 14:01 GMT
#248
On June 06 2014 22:59 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:54 playa wrote:
Random is clearly UP. Map hackers rarely get number 1 on ladders and most of them can't even make GM. Clearly, map hacks need buffs, too.

i am not sure wtf this is supposed to tell me


A lot of people make the nonsensical argument revolving around there being so few successful random players, when no one mentions that hardly anyone plays random (there's probably a lot more people map hacking, yet they wouldn't win GSL's either). O, and if you mention that, people would argue that it's too hard to learn random. Frankly, I wouldn't play random because it's close to cheating. And, playing both sides of a mu, actually accelerates your understanding by so much.

And, in a mirror mu, you get to play with a mineral advantage from the get go. People give random players way too much credit. I don't see how you could ever consider a random player an underdog if they have pro level skill, unless they have 1 race that is not at a pro level.

It's a pet peeve. Random has always bothered me more than anything else in the game balance wise. I'd rather play a hacker than a random player. Honest to god.



Not worth discussing this with you then
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
June 06 2014 14:01 GMT
#249
On June 06 2014 22:59 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:54 playa wrote:
Random is clearly UP. Map hackers rarely get number 1 on ladders and most of them can't even make GM. Clearly, map hacks need buffs, too.

i am not sure wtf this is supposed to tell me


A lot of people make the nonsensical argument revolving around there being so few successful random players, when no one mentions that hardly anyone plays random (there's probably a lot more people map hacking, yet they wouldn't win GSL's either). O, and if you mention that, people would argue that it's too hard to learn random. Frankly, I wouldn't play random because it's close to cheating. And, playing both sides of a mu, actually accelerates your understanding by so much.

And, in a mirror mu, you get to play with a mineral advantage from the get go. People give random players way too much credit. I don't see how you could ever consider a random player an underdog if they have pro level skill, unless they have 1 race that is not at a pro level.

It's a pet peeve. Random has always bothered me more than anything else in the game balance wise. I'd rather play a hacker than a random player. Honest to god.

so much nonsense

and i guess we found balloon's weakness being terran
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
June 06 2014 14:02 GMT
#250
is that ReaL with Harstem?
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 06 2014 14:02 GMT
#251
Ouch well Balloon's T isn't quite as strong :D
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
June 06 2014 14:02 GMT
#252
(P)MaNa vs (T)YoDa

http://www.twitch.tv/taketvblack
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 14:03:58
June 06 2014 14:02 GMT
#253
On June 06 2014 23:02 Yhamm wrote:
is that ReaL with Harstem?

yes (although Harstem's twitter says Patience)
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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
June 06 2014 14:03 GMT
#254
This is so beautifully French, why isn't Tod casting
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
June 06 2014 14:03 GMT
#255
On June 06 2014 23:02 Darkhorse wrote:
Ouch well Balloon's T isn't quite as strong :D


His opener got countered and countered badly. Bomber's bio micro eclipsed Balloon's by a mile.
Wat
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
June 06 2014 14:03 GMT
#256
Hope we don't get another TvT. That was Balloon's best..
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
June 06 2014 14:03 GMT
#257
On June 06 2014 23:01 kaykoose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 22:59 playa wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:54 playa wrote:
Random is clearly UP. Map hackers rarely get number 1 on ladders and most of them can't even make GM. Clearly, map hacks need buffs, too.

i am not sure wtf this is supposed to tell me


A lot of people make the nonsensical argument revolving around there being so few successful random players, when no one mentions that hardly anyone plays random (there's probably a lot more people map hacking, yet they wouldn't win GSL's either). O, and if you mention that, people would argue that it's too hard to learn random. Frankly, I wouldn't play random because it's close to cheating. And, playing both sides of a mu, actually accelerates your understanding by so much.

And, in a mirror mu, you get to play with a mineral advantage from the get go. People give random players way too much credit. I don't see how you could ever consider a random player an underdog if they have pro level skill, unless they have 1 race that is not at a pro level.

It's a pet peeve. Random has always bothered me more than anything else in the game balance wise. I'd rather play a hacker than a random player. Honest to god.



Not worth discussing this with you then


On a two player map, I start a game at a disadvantage vs a random player. The game stays even vs a map hacker far longer. I'll take a decent start. I can find ways to scout.
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
June 06 2014 14:03 GMT
#258
Yup zerg clearly OP
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 06 2014 14:03 GMT
#259
Proxy 11/11 all randoms.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
June 06 2014 14:04 GMT
#260
Though I like Balloon I hope Bomber can pull it back and win, then ToD can advance!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
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