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No GSL spoilers please, some of the people tuning in to HSC did not have the chance to watch GSL yet
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 06 2014 14:04 GMT
#261
On June 06 2014 23:00 SatedSC2 wrote:
If you take two equally skilled players, and one of them has their race hidden, then the player with their race hidden has an advantage in that specific game. This is not debatable. The reason Random is unrepresented is because of how hard it is to learn every match-up relative to only learning 3 match-ups, not because Random doesn't have an inherent advantage once a game actually starts.

I don't mind people playing Random, but I sure do hate playing against it.

Yup 100% true and I dislike playing against Random as well. However, there is not a single random player in the world that is as good as the top players in any matchup let alone all of them. Random players are kinda forced to be a jack of all trades master of none.

But the "rather play against a hacker than random" comment by the other guy is utterly stupid.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 06 2014 14:05 GMT
#262
On June 06 2014 23:03 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 23:01 kaykoose wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:59 playa wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:54 playa wrote:
Random is clearly UP. Map hackers rarely get number 1 on ladders and most of them can't even make GM. Clearly, map hacks need buffs, too.

i am not sure wtf this is supposed to tell me


A lot of people make the nonsensical argument revolving around there being so few successful random players, when no one mentions that hardly anyone plays random (there's probably a lot more people map hacking, yet they wouldn't win GSL's either). O, and if you mention that, people would argue that it's too hard to learn random. Frankly, I wouldn't play random because it's close to cheating. And, playing both sides of a mu, actually accelerates your understanding by so much.

And, in a mirror mu, you get to play with a mineral advantage from the get go. People give random players way too much credit. I don't see how you could ever consider a random player an underdog if they have pro level skill, unless they have 1 race that is not at a pro level.

It's a pet peeve. Random has always bothered me more than anything else in the game balance wise. I'd rather play a hacker than a random player. Honest to god.



Not worth discussing this with you then


On a two player map, I start a game at a disadvantage vs a random player. The game stays even vs a map hacker far longer. I'll take a decent start. I can find ways to scout.

The worlds tiniest violin about playing against random, it is seriously a non issue.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
June 06 2014 14:05 GMT
#263
On June 06 2014 23:00 SatedSC2 wrote:
If you take two equally skilled players, and one of them has their race hidden, then the player with their race hidden has an advantage in that specific game. This is not debatable. The reason Random is unrepresented is because of how hard it is to learn every match-up relative to only learning 3 match-ups, not because Random doesn't have an inherent advantage once a game actually starts.

I don't mind people playing Random, but I sure do hate playing against it.

But the fact that it's so hard is a very valid argument in itself. Random players don't have 37 hours every day to practice on. Also, if they would become highly successful and people would start to adapt their play specifically to counter that player, most elite pros would smash them with brute skill.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
June 06 2014 14:05 GMT
#264
Another TvT... Balloon should be dead. He'll advance 2nd though I think
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
June 06 2014 14:05 GMT
#265
No random player ever would expect a double 11 OO
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 06 2014 14:06 GMT
#266
On June 06 2014 23:03 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 23:01 kaykoose wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:59 playa wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:55 Undead1993 wrote:
On June 06 2014 22:54 playa wrote:
Random is clearly UP. Map hackers rarely get number 1 on ladders and most of them can't even make GM. Clearly, map hacks need buffs, too.

i am not sure wtf this is supposed to tell me


A lot of people make the nonsensical argument revolving around there being so few successful random players, when no one mentions that hardly anyone plays random (there's probably a lot more people map hacking, yet they wouldn't win GSL's either). O, and if you mention that, people would argue that it's too hard to learn random. Frankly, I wouldn't play random because it's close to cheating. And, playing both sides of a mu, actually accelerates your understanding by so much.

And, in a mirror mu, you get to play with a mineral advantage from the get go. People give random players way too much credit. I don't see how you could ever consider a random player an underdog if they have pro level skill, unless they have 1 race that is not at a pro level.

It's a pet peeve. Random has always bothered me more than anything else in the game balance wise. I'd rather play a hacker than a random player. Honest to god.



Not worth discussing this with you then


On a two player map, I start a game at a disadvantage vs a random player. The game stays even vs a map hacker far longer. I'll take a decent start. I can find ways to scout.

You can find ways to scout vs a map hacker but not a random player to check his race...

And the game stays even for longer? You must be kidding. You cannot cheese a map hacker and if you don't know he's a map hacker you could try to cheese and get destroyed. He immediately knows if you went for greed and can punish. Honestly saying you'd rather play a map hacker than someone with random race is mind boggling and really really dumb.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
June 06 2014 14:06 GMT
#267
On June 06 2014 23:05 NarutO wrote:
No random player ever would expect a double 11 OO

Very risky if Balloon was Protoss though.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
June 06 2014 14:07 GMT
#268
Balloon wins easy now I imagine
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Zoure
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada23 Posts
June 06 2014 14:07 GMT
#269
On June 06 2014 23:05 NarutO wrote:
No random player ever would expect a double 11 OO

Ever since I started playing Random I get cheesed more often than not. To be fair, I'm only in diamond, but I still expect a 10p, 2rax and proxy gates/cannon from everyone I play against.

People love playing blind vs blind.
twitch.tv/zoure I am bad, and probably playing non-sc2 games
polpot
Profile Joined April 2012
3002 Posts
June 06 2014 14:07 GMT
#270
Balloon hold!
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 06 2014 14:07 GMT
#271
Yeah I dislike that build choice by Bomber a lot. Oh well.
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 06 2014 14:07 GMT
#272
Get Balloon on liquid now please Nazgul. So I can cheer for him more convincingly in HSC.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 06 2014 14:07 GMT
#273
On June 06 2014 23:06 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2014 23:05 NarutO wrote:
No random player ever would expect a double 11 OO

Very risky if Balloon was Protoss though.


would still be better than vs 2rax reaper
Zest fanboy.
polpot
Profile Joined April 2012
3002 Posts
June 06 2014 14:08 GMT
#274
omg GG
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 06 2014 14:08 GMT
#275
rofl
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
June 06 2014 14:08 GMT
#276
Is Random OP? Has David Kim gone too far?
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Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
June 06 2014 14:08 GMT
#277
Damm you bomber. WHY WHY WHY?
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
June 06 2014 14:08 GMT
#278
Holy shit.. Balloon did it. But Bomber brought it upon himself
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28535 Posts
June 06 2014 14:08 GMT
#279
BAAAALLLLLOOOOOOONNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
VictorX
Profile Joined April 2011
United States773 Posts
June 06 2014 14:08 GMT
#280
BAAAALLLOOOOOOOOONNNN

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