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On June 06 2014 11:39 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:38 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:36 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:35 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:29 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:28 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 06 2014 11:25 usopsama wrote:On June 06 2014 11:24 sparklyresidue wrote:
God mech is so stupidly boring God mech is so wonderful. I love watching Flash's mech destroy those boring swarmhosts.  Those 15 swarmhosts exist only so that mech army doesn't just outright march across and kill him. Maxed out mech armies are unbeatable and it's infuriating. C'mon it's not like you can"t win without SH. Roach Hydra Viper is a really effective composition. Against an army like flash's roach hydra viper will never come close to effective enough. The game has become balanced along the idea that SH is the "mech counter" while that raven based death ball is the "sh counter". Its kind of like vortex vs blord infestor. It was balanced just around a silly concept You can get Hive much earlier with roach hydra, forcing tank and then just blinding cloud and win. There is this unit called the viking that stops the blinding clouds. And even if they get close enough, there was this player named gumiho who actually beat it anyway with precise position on his tanks so that you needed at least 8 blinding blouds to stop his 8 tanks. Yeah like Forgg who had what, 10 tanks spread out, but since you have to spread them so much, half of them just don't hit right ? Stop saying mech is imbalance in TvZ please, if it was the case, terran would'nt have been buffed recently. And we would have much more game with mech in TvZ. Im not saying mech is imbalanced. Im saying Roach/hydra/viper isnt viable against a top level Korean Terran at this current phase.
If you expect the zerg to win with roach hydra viper against 20 ravens, yeah you are delusional. The fact is, that this composition is much much better in the midgame, and it's actually way stronger overall if you don't want to play 1h game.
The only way for the terran to reach 20 ravens is because of the SH that has absolutly no offensive capability, leaving the terran to max out ravens.
Mech is not really good against heavy roach into roach hydra with fast hive because you will never have enough dps to win a fight, or if you do, you'll break at the 2nd wave.
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Life should not have expected to out-turtle the greatest of turtles.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 06 2014 11:43 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:39 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:38 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:36 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:35 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:29 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:28 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 06 2014 11:25 usopsama wrote:On June 06 2014 11:24 sparklyresidue wrote:
God mech is so stupidly boring God mech is so wonderful. I love watching Flash's mech destroy those boring swarmhosts. Those 15 swarmhosts exist only so that mech army doesn't just outright march across and kill him. Maxed out mech armies are unbeatable and it's infuriating. C'mon it's not like you can"t win without SH. Roach Hydra Viper is a really effective composition. Against an army like flash's roach hydra viper will never come close to effective enough. The game has become balanced along the idea that SH is the "mech counter" while that raven based death ball is the "sh counter". Its kind of like vortex vs blord infestor. It was balanced just around a silly concept You can get Hive much earlier with roach hydra, forcing tank and then just blinding cloud and win. There is this unit called the viking that stops the blinding clouds. And even if they get close enough, there was this player named gumiho who actually beat it anyway with precise position on his tanks so that you needed at least 8 blinding blouds to stop his 8 tanks. Yeah like Forgg who had what, 10 tanks spread out, but since you have to spread them so much, half of them just don't hit right ? Stop saying mech is imbalance in TvZ please, if it was the case, terran would'nt have been buffed recently. And we would have much more game with mech in TvZ. Im not saying mech is imbalanced. Im saying Roach/hydra/viper isnt viable against a top level Korean Terran at this current phase. If you expect the zerg to win with roach hydra viper against 20 ravens, yeah you are delusional. The fact is, that this composition is much much better in the midgame, and it's actually way stronger overall if you don't want to play 1h game. The only way for the terran to reach 20 ravens is because of the SH that has absolutly no offensive capability, leaving the terran to max out ravens. Mech is not really good against heavy roach into roach hydra with fast hive because you will never have enough dps to win a fight, or if you do, you'll break at the 2nd wave.
You missed Supernova vs TRUE then.
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I seriously get called a troll for pointing out that Innovation joining a foreign team has robbed him of his true potential?...
okay..
gg Flash, hope you win the tournament.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 06 2014 11:43 eviltomahawk wrote:
Life should not have expected to out-turtle the greatest of turtles.
Thats Reality D:
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As a person that loved TvT in BW, I found that an amazing match. All the position, precise army control, and multiple smaller battles made it a truly strategic game. Flash is looking good.
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Innocation vs Hero..gonna be epic
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On June 06 2014 11:44 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:43 eviltomahawk wrote:
Life should not have expected to out-turtle the greatest of turtles. Thats Reality D:
Not in BW he wasn't.
Or maybe I just got too excited after seeing Flash's signature turret forest.
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On June 06 2014 11:44 Beastgief wrote:
I seriously get called a troll for pointing out that Innovation joining a foreign team has robbed him of his true potential?...
okay..
gg Flash, hope you win the tournament.
It was more like I was about to tell you how wrong you are, not so much a troll.
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In what dimension is Innovation vs. herO the Loser's Match? The same dimension where Rain vs. Life was the Loser's Match just 2 days ago.
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On June 06 2014 11:44 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:43 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:39 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:38 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:36 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:35 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:29 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:28 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 06 2014 11:25 usopsama wrote:[quote] God mech is so wonderful. I love watching Flash's mech destroy those boring swarmhosts. Those 15 swarmhosts exist only so that mech army doesn't just outright march across and kill him. Maxed out mech armies are unbeatable and it's infuriating. C'mon it's not like you can"t win without SH. Roach Hydra Viper is a really effective composition. Against an army like flash's roach hydra viper will never come close to effective enough. The game has become balanced along the idea that SH is the "mech counter" while that raven based death ball is the "sh counter". Its kind of like vortex vs blord infestor. It was balanced just around a silly concept You can get Hive much earlier with roach hydra, forcing tank and then just blinding cloud and win. There is this unit called the viking that stops the blinding clouds. And even if they get close enough, there was this player named gumiho who actually beat it anyway with precise position on his tanks so that you needed at least 8 blinding blouds to stop his 8 tanks. Yeah like Forgg who had what, 10 tanks spread out, but since you have to spread them so much, half of them just don't hit right ? Stop saying mech is imbalance in TvZ please, if it was the case, terran would'nt have been buffed recently. And we would have much more game with mech in TvZ. Im not saying mech is imbalanced. Im saying Roach/hydra/viper isnt viable against a top level Korean Terran at this current phase. If you expect the zerg to win with roach hydra viper against 20 ravens, yeah you are delusional. The fact is, that this composition is much much better in the midgame, and it's actually way stronger overall if you don't want to play 1h game. The only way for the terran to reach 20 ravens is because of the SH that has absolutly no offensive capability, leaving the terran to max out ravens. Mech is not really good against heavy roach into roach hydra with fast hive because you will never have enough dps to win a fight, or if you do, you'll break at the 2nd wave. You missed Supernova vs TRUE then.
Yes I missed these games, and since it's gsl I don't think there is a way for me to watch them. But it's still one game and it doesn't prove me wrong overall. I'm pretty sure of what i'm advancing since I play mech for ages, and usually don't miss pro-mech games. Code A is harder to watch tho since it's at a shitty hour.
My point is, if this style was so strong, why almost noone plays it ?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 06 2014 11:47 Circumstance wrote:
In what dimension is Innovation vs. herO the Loser's Match? The same dimension where Rain vs. Life was the Loser's Match just 2 days ago.
Same dimension where Shine beats sOs in a macro game
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On June 06 2014 11:47 Circumstance wrote:
In what dimension is Innovation vs. herO the Loser's Match? The same dimension where Rain vs. Life was the Loser's Match just 2 days ago.
And gsl didn't even need super stacked tournament for that to happen. Goes to show just how many good players there in Korea I suppose.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 06 2014 11:48 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:44 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:43 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:39 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:38 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:36 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:35 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:29 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:28 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
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Those 15 swarmhosts exist only so that mech army doesn't just outright march across and kill him. Maxed out mech armies are unbeatable and it's infuriating. C'mon it's not like you can"t win without SH. Roach Hydra Viper is a really effective composition. Against an army like flash's roach hydra viper will never come close to effective enough. The game has become balanced along the idea that SH is the "mech counter" while that raven based death ball is the "sh counter". Its kind of like vortex vs blord infestor. It was balanced just around a silly concept You can get Hive much earlier with roach hydra, forcing tank and then just blinding cloud and win. There is this unit called the viking that stops the blinding clouds. And even if they get close enough, there was this player named gumiho who actually beat it anyway with precise position on his tanks so that you needed at least 8 blinding blouds to stop his 8 tanks. Yeah like Forgg who had what, 10 tanks spread out, but since you have to spread them so much, half of them just don't hit right ? Stop saying mech is imbalance in TvZ please, if it was the case, terran would'nt have been buffed recently. And we would have much more game with mech in TvZ. Im not saying mech is imbalanced. Im saying Roach/hydra/viper isnt viable against a top level Korean Terran at this current phase. If you expect the zerg to win with roach hydra viper against 20 ravens, yeah you are delusional. The fact is, that this composition is much much better in the midgame, and it's actually way stronger overall if you don't want to play 1h game. The only way for the terran to reach 20 ravens is because of the SH that has absolutly no offensive capability, leaving the terran to max out ravens. Mech is not really good against heavy roach into roach hydra with fast hive because you will never have enough dps to win a fight, or if you do, you'll break at the 2nd wave. You missed Supernova vs TRUE then. Yes I missed these games, and since it's gsl I don't think there is a way for me to watch them. But it's still one game and it doesn't prove me wrong overall. I'm pretty sure of what i'm advancing since I play mech for ages, and usually don't miss pro-mech games. Code A is harder to watch tho since it's at a shitty hour. My point is, if this style was so strong, why almost noone plays it ?
Cause literally Supernova invented it and only Supernova uses it.
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United States97277 Posts
Not sure who the cheer for in this one
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 06 2014 11:49 Shellshock wrote:
Not sure who the cheer for in this one
Eh, cheer for the one that brings more tears.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 06 2014 11:49 Shellshock wrote:
Not sure who the cheer for in this one
Whoever has a better chance of beating Life in the final match
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Canada8160 Posts
I think TB just landed pun of the year
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On June 06 2014 11:49 Shellshock wrote:
Not sure who the cheer for in this one
I'm gonna cry if either one loses to life.
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