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On June 06 2014 11:49 Shellshock wrote:
Not sure who the cheer for in this one
The one named INnoVation
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On June 06 2014 11:49 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:49 Shellshock wrote:
Not sure who the cheer for in this one Whoever has a better chance of beating Life in the final match
that's what I was thinking. I guess herO
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On June 06 2014 11:48 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:48 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:44 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:43 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:39 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:38 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:36 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:35 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:29 Faust852 wrote:
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C'mon it's not like you can"t win without SH. Roach Hydra Viper is a really effective composition. Against an army like flash's roach hydra viper will never come close to effective enough. The game has become balanced along the idea that SH is the "mech counter" while that raven based death ball is the "sh counter". Its kind of like vortex vs blord infestor. It was balanced just around a silly concept You can get Hive much earlier with roach hydra, forcing tank and then just blinding cloud and win. There is this unit called the viking that stops the blinding clouds. And even if they get close enough, there was this player named gumiho who actually beat it anyway with precise position on his tanks so that you needed at least 8 blinding blouds to stop his 8 tanks. Yeah like Forgg who had what, 10 tanks spread out, but since you have to spread them so much, half of them just don't hit right ? Stop saying mech is imbalance in TvZ please, if it was the case, terran would'nt have been buffed recently. And we would have much more game with mech in TvZ. Im not saying mech is imbalanced. Im saying Roach/hydra/viper isnt viable against a top level Korean Terran at this current phase. If you expect the zerg to win with roach hydra viper against 20 ravens, yeah you are delusional. The fact is, that this composition is much much better in the midgame, and it's actually way stronger overall if you don't want to play 1h game. The only way for the terran to reach 20 ravens is because of the SH that has absolutly no offensive capability, leaving the terran to max out ravens. Mech is not really good against heavy roach into roach hydra with fast hive because you will never have enough dps to win a fight, or if you do, you'll break at the 2nd wave. You missed Supernova vs TRUE then. Yes I missed these games, and since it's gsl I don't think there is a way for me to watch them. But it's still one game and it doesn't prove me wrong overall. I'm pretty sure of what i'm advancing since I play mech for ages, and usually don't miss pro-mech games. Code A is harder to watch tho since it's at a shitty hour. My point is, if this style was so strong, why almost noone plays it ? Cause literally Supernova invented it and only Supernova uses it.
I'd really want to watch these games then. But I'm too short on money pay for the GSL VOD, more so when I never miss code S anyway. :/
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I just slow-clapped at my laptop monitor. Apparently, being a stepfather allows you to make Dad jokes as effectively as Artosis.
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I really can't decide who to root for, but I will be very happy for Innovation if he wins, if only for GumBa's sake.
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Smells like herO's trademark two base Colossi pushes.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 06 2014 11:50 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:48 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:48 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:44 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:43 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:39 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:38 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:36 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:35 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:33 chipmonklord17 wrote:
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Against an army like flash's roach hydra viper will never come close to effective enough. The game has become balanced along the idea that SH is the "mech counter" while that raven based death ball is the "sh counter". Its kind of like vortex vs blord infestor. It was balanced just around a silly concept You can get Hive much earlier with roach hydra, forcing tank and then just blinding cloud and win. There is this unit called the viking that stops the blinding clouds. And even if they get close enough, there was this player named gumiho who actually beat it anyway with precise position on his tanks so that you needed at least 8 blinding blouds to stop his 8 tanks. Yeah like Forgg who had what, 10 tanks spread out, but since you have to spread them so much, half of them just don't hit right ? Stop saying mech is imbalance in TvZ please, if it was the case, terran would'nt have been buffed recently. And we would have much more game with mech in TvZ. Im not saying mech is imbalanced. Im saying Roach/hydra/viper isnt viable against a top level Korean Terran at this current phase. If you expect the zerg to win with roach hydra viper against 20 ravens, yeah you are delusional. The fact is, that this composition is much much better in the midgame, and it's actually way stronger overall if you don't want to play 1h game. The only way for the terran to reach 20 ravens is because of the SH that has absolutly no offensive capability, leaving the terran to max out ravens. Mech is not really good against heavy roach into roach hydra with fast hive because you will never have enough dps to win a fight, or if you do, you'll break at the 2nd wave. You missed Supernova vs TRUE then. Yes I missed these games, and since it's gsl I don't think there is a way for me to watch them. But it's still one game and it doesn't prove me wrong overall. I'm pretty sure of what i'm advancing since I play mech for ages, and usually don't miss pro-mech games. Code A is harder to watch tho since it's at a shitty hour. My point is, if this style was so strong, why almost noone plays it ? Cause literally Supernova invented it and only Supernova uses it. I'd really want to watch these games then. But I'm too short on money pay for the GSL VOD, more so when I never miss code S anyway. :/
Might bew viewable here http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/matches/supernova-vs-true
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On June 06 2014 11:50 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:49 lichter wrote:On June 06 2014 11:49 Shellshock wrote:
Not sure who the cheer for in this one Whoever has a better chance of beating Life in the final match that's what I was thinking. I guess herO
I'd root for herO as it allows for a complete reverse of that group of death with Flash > Life > herO > Innovation, besides herO replacing PartinG
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As an aside, when's the last time we saw a Best of 7 from Flash. Was it really the MLG Dallas finals last year? Have we even seen him play a Best of 5 since then?
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On June 06 2014 11:55 Neemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:50 Shellshock wrote:On June 06 2014 11:49 lichter wrote:On June 06 2014 11:49 Shellshock wrote:
Not sure who the cheer for in this one Whoever has a better chance of beating Life in the final match that's what I was thinking. I guess herO I'd root for herO as it allows for a complete reverse of that group of death with Flash > Life > herO > Innovation, besides herO replacing PartinG
But we want Life to lose.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Good timing on this third
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I wonder if Zest is learning anything here.
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On June 06 2014 11:55 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:50 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:48 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:48 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:44 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:43 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:39 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:38 Faust852 wrote:On June 06 2014 11:36 stuchiu wrote:On June 06 2014 11:35 Faust852 wrote:
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You can get Hive much earlier with roach hydra, forcing tank and then just blinding cloud and win. There is this unit called the viking that stops the blinding clouds. And even if they get close enough, there was this player named gumiho who actually beat it anyway with precise position on his tanks so that you needed at least 8 blinding blouds to stop his 8 tanks. Yeah like Forgg who had what, 10 tanks spread out, but since you have to spread them so much, half of them just don't hit right ? Stop saying mech is imbalance in TvZ please, if it was the case, terran would'nt have been buffed recently. And we would have much more game with mech in TvZ. Im not saying mech is imbalanced. Im saying Roach/hydra/viper isnt viable against a top level Korean Terran at this current phase. If you expect the zerg to win with roach hydra viper against 20 ravens, yeah you are delusional. The fact is, that this composition is much much better in the midgame, and it's actually way stronger overall if you don't want to play 1h game. The only way for the terran to reach 20 ravens is because of the SH that has absolutly no offensive capability, leaving the terran to max out ravens. Mech is not really good against heavy roach into roach hydra with fast hive because you will never have enough dps to win a fight, or if you do, you'll break at the 2nd wave. You missed Supernova vs TRUE then. Yes I missed these games, and since it's gsl I don't think there is a way for me to watch them. But it's still one game and it doesn't prove me wrong overall. I'm pretty sure of what i'm advancing since I play mech for ages, and usually don't miss pro-mech games. Code A is harder to watch tho since it's at a shitty hour. My point is, if this style was so strong, why almost noone plays it ? Cause literally Supernova invented it and only Supernova uses it. I'd really want to watch these games then. But I'm too short on money pay for the GSL VOD, more so when I never miss code S anyway. :/ Might bew viewable here http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/matches/supernova-vs-true
Nope, need the subscribtion
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On June 06 2014 11:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:55 Neemi wrote:On June 06 2014 11:50 Shellshock wrote:On June 06 2014 11:49 lichter wrote:On June 06 2014 11:49 Shellshock wrote:
Not sure who the cheer for in this one Whoever has a better chance of beating Life in the final match that's what I was thinking. I guess herO I'd root for herO as it allows for a complete reverse of that group of death with Flash > Life > herO > Innovation, besides herO replacing PartinG But we want Life to lose.
Why would we want him to lose?
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Fun fact: According to Aligulac, Flash has NEVER played a Best of 7 in SC2 against a non-Zerg. He's played 2 against Life (lost both), and 2 in the MvP invitational, beating Effort and losing to soO.
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So I guess if there's something for me to be happy about these results is that we get this as a treat.
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On June 06 2014 11:58 Neemi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2014 11:55 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 06 2014 11:55 Neemi wrote:On June 06 2014 11:50 Shellshock wrote:On June 06 2014 11:49 lichter wrote:On June 06 2014 11:49 Shellshock wrote:
Not sure who the cheer for in this one Whoever has a better chance of beating Life in the final match that's what I was thinking. I guess herO I'd root for herO as it allows for a complete reverse of that group of death with Flash > Life > herO > Innovation, besides herO replacing PartinG But we want Life to lose. Why would we want him to lose?
by we I meant me and Shellbot. And it's probably more of a case of we (or at least I) want Innovation/herO to win.
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The SCV congo line is dancing.
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