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xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
June 01 2014 22:13 GMT
#281
big props to Snute
gg
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Strela
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands1896 Posts
June 01 2014 22:13 GMT
#282
On June 02 2014 07:12 D-light wrote:
Well Snute did what he had to. I guess you can't blame him for playing the way he did.

Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 07:08 Ufnal wrote:
If I read one more SH-whine post... Seriously, this is a good, exciting game, maybe long but full of emotions and back-and-forth. But you people just keep whining and whining and it makes me so angry that I think I'll have to stop reading TL every time a SH pops out, because it made me so angry that my enjoyment went out the window. Thanks a lot, folks. Have a nice whining.

Please stop whining about sh-whining.

Please stop whining.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
June 01 2014 22:13 GMT
#283
The problem isn't even about the balance of it; it's about the fact that if First had chosen to, he could have just turtled at the top of a ramp and done nothing and the game would have gone on for hours of the players doing nothing. And the player that chooses to make the game more interesting for viewers by participating is punished. It's the disproportionate favouring of defender's advantage that made ZvZ very uninteresting to watch. It's particularly disappointing from Snute who usually plays such exciting games.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
June 01 2014 22:13 GMT
#284
On June 02 2014 07:09 -y0shi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 07:05 sharkie wrote:
On June 02 2014 07:03 -y0shi- wrote:
This makes me so angry First is up bases, bank, army, everything but he cant do shit do do damage :/


rofl, protoss whining
Snute was ahead much of the game then First came with super lasers and gained a lead and now Snute got the lead back


Snute was miles ahead, then couldnt keep up with the constant attacks til the game was basically over, first was up like 3 bases and 5000/2500 vs no resources/no mining. Then snute sat on his one base and waited.

Maybe its a protoss perspective thing, idk, but this game pissed me off like nothing since hero vs leenock on antiga. Wouldnt mind someone explaining why im wrong though..


You are wrong thinking Snute "waited". Of course he defended his only base, he had no alternative. But still, it takes some skills to do that againt such a killer composition from First. Transfusing, getting the yank timings right not to waste them, also has to match the locust waves. Sure, from your POV, maybe it's just "waiting", but not every zerg can "wait" that well.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
June 01 2014 22:14 GMT
#285
On June 02 2014 07:11 -KG- wrote:
Sick games..... Snute > Europe

Fixed that for you.
why even
Tontsa
Profile Joined February 2014
Finland1 Post
June 01 2014 22:14 GMT
#286
Snute really played well to win this but i really dislike the SH style. Snute hasn't even thought about attacking this whole game. Snute just defended until the other player mined out. This isn't really what I enjoy in watching SC.I would have hoped he would have used his early game advantage to over run first with roach/hydra or something,

Overall I dislike the mentality of a player just defending with free units untill the other player gets frustarated and makes a mistake becouse of it. I would hope players would try to outplay the other with a more aggresive style.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18688 Posts
June 01 2014 22:14 GMT
#287
On June 02 2014 07:13 Yonnua wrote:
The problem isn't even about the balance of it; it's about the fact that if First had chosen to, he could have just turtled at the top of a ramp and done nothing and the game would have gone on for hours of the players doing nothing. And the player that chooses to make the game more interesting for viewers by participating is punished. It's the disproportionate favouring of defender's advantage that made ZvZ very uninteresting to watch. It's particularly disappointing from Snute who usually plays such exciting games.


Yes. First lost this game because he only cared about making this game interesting for viewers!!!

Oh my god... -.-
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
June 01 2014 22:14 GMT
#288
what a day for Snute :O
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12475 Posts
June 01 2014 22:14 GMT
#289
On June 02 2014 07:13 Yonnua wrote:
It's particularly disappointing from Snute who usually plays such exciting games.


I'm sure he'll have a thought for your disappointment on his way to Shenzhen.
No will to live, no wish to die
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
June 01 2014 22:14 GMT
#290
On June 02 2014 07:08 Ace Frehley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 07:05 ssxsilver wrote:
On June 02 2014 07:02 Ace Frehley wrote:
This reminds me of the glorious times of Wol with BL/infestors/spines turtle
Urgh

I feel like there's a vast difference in multitasking in these two comps though. I mean BL/Infestor is just fungal spamming and then spreading out from vortex.


Replace fungal with yank units into static defense?

There's a lot of Viper babysitting going on. You can't just run Vipers in b/c Feedback has the same range as Abduct. Elsewhere repositioning SHs to defend is much harder than the WOL fungal defense. Don't get me wrong I still dislike the unit, but I don't think this comeback was as easy as some people are making it out to be.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 22:16:44
June 01 2014 22:15 GMT
#291
Anyone who thinks that this game was "passive" and that both players didn't play their asses off doesn't have a clue about Starcraft or is biased and delusional. Both played great, except that First lost a ton of important units in the end when it mattered while Snute didn't.

It was a great game, the player that played better in this game won, you can balance whine all you want.

On June 02 2014 07:14 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 07:08 Ace Frehley wrote:
On June 02 2014 07:05 ssxsilver wrote:
On June 02 2014 07:02 Ace Frehley wrote:
This reminds me of the glorious times of Wol with BL/infestors/spines turtle
Urgh

I feel like there's a vast difference in multitasking in these two comps though. I mean BL/Infestor is just fungal spamming and then spreading out from vortex.


Replace fungal with yank units into static defense?

There's a lot of Viper babysitting going on. You can't just run Vipers in b/c Feedback has the same range as Abduct. Elsewhere repositioning SHs to defend is much harder than the WOL fungal defense. Don't get me wrong I still dislike the unit, but I don't think this comeback was as easy as some people are making it out to be.

Exactly this.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
June 01 2014 22:15 GMT
#292
On June 02 2014 07:12 vjcamarena wrote:
I liked this game. I know people will complain about swarm hosts, but honestly, my understanding is First defeated himself by stopping the harass. He was tearing Snute apart, and decided to put all his eggs in the Air basket.

Snute played a good "mech" game. He didn't just turtle.

That said:
Snute beats Kas, Welmu, Yoda, Jjakji, MC, First.
HO-LEE SHEET. Insane!


Not trying to pick a fight but how would he harass anymore? Snute had no bases left to harass and every time first tried to attack into the turtle base he lost units for free.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
June 01 2014 22:15 GMT
#293
what a day of starcraft today!!! amazing games, amazing nationwars games and amazing snute run
yo
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12475 Posts
June 01 2014 22:15 GMT
#294
On June 02 2014 07:15 -y0shi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 07:12 vjcamarena wrote:
I liked this game. I know people will complain about swarm hosts, but honestly, my understanding is First defeated himself by stopping the harass. He was tearing Snute apart, and decided to put all his eggs in the Air basket.

Snute played a good "mech" game. He didn't just turtle.

That said:
Snute beats Kas, Welmu, Yoda, Jjakji, MC, First.
HO-LEE SHEET. Insane!


Not trying to pick a fight but how would he harass anymore? Snute had no bases left to harass and every time first tried to attack into the turtle base he lost units for free.


Top left was left alone for a long while.
No will to live, no wish to die
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
June 01 2014 22:17 GMT
#295
On May 29 2014 22:12 Liquid`Snute wrote:
Stage 2 scheduled right on top of NationWars quarterfinals day, and doing so 3-4 days before the match-date ... I know it's not easy, but ... :'(

So, you just decided to boss-mode it twice in one day? Gratz! :D
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
June 01 2014 22:17 GMT
#296
On June 02 2014 07:13 Yonnua wrote:
It's particularly disappointing from Snute who usually plays such exciting games.

Idunno. All the roach wars in zvz and swarmhosts in pvz aren't the most exciting games. But hey that's just me.
why even
Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 22:17:47
June 01 2014 22:17 GMT
#297
Snute so underrated. He just wins quietly. Will eventually be the most successful foreign starcraft player IMO.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18688 Posts
June 01 2014 22:18 GMT
#298
This is the first time ever I saw late game air toss with storm army lose vs SH/viper/corrupter

And protoss whine as if its happening every hour lol
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27148 Posts
June 01 2014 22:18 GMT
#299
Snute, well played that man. Definitely in with a strong shout for best foreigner with his consistency of late
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
June 01 2014 22:19 GMT
#300
On June 02 2014 07:13 Cynry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 07:09 -y0shi- wrote:
On June 02 2014 07:05 sharkie wrote:
On June 02 2014 07:03 -y0shi- wrote:
This makes me so angry First is up bases, bank, army, everything but he cant do shit do do damage :/


rofl, protoss whining
Snute was ahead much of the game then First came with super lasers and gained a lead and now Snute got the lead back


Snute was miles ahead, then couldnt keep up with the constant attacks til the game was basically over, first was up like 3 bases and 5000/2500 vs no resources/no mining. Then snute sat on his one base and waited.

Maybe its a protoss perspective thing, idk, but this game pissed me off like nothing since hero vs leenock on antiga. Wouldnt mind someone explaining why im wrong though..


You are wrong thinking Snute "waited". Of course he defended his only base, he had no alternative. But still, it takes some skills to do that againt such a killer composition from First. Transfusing, getting the yank timings right not to waste them, also has to match the locust waves. Sure, from your POV, maybe it's just "waiting", but not every zerg can "wait" that well.


I guess I can see that, and obviously snute did the "right" thing. What Im wondering is what First can do to break that, unless snute messes up.

On a more positive note, I havent been this emotioanlly invested in a game of sc2 in a long time :D
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