Time: EU Qualifier – May, 18th 6:00 PM CEST – Sign Up KR Qualifier – May, 17th 12:00 PM CEST [KST 7:00 PM] – Sign Up NA Qualifier – May, 17th 9:00 PM CEST [EDT 3:00 PM] – Sign Up Top 8 Tournament - May, 19th 4:00 PM CEST [KST 11:00 PM; EDT 10:00 AM]
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It's time for the next HomeStoryCup! Dennis 'TaKe' Gehlen will open the gates to Germany's Nerdvana from the 05th to 08th of June for the world elite of StarCraft II, who will be fighting for glory, honor and fun! The last "HomeKing" title went to Taeja once again, who defeated Hyun in an amazing set of seven games.
To guarantee top matches and the best StarCraft II action imaginable again, we have set up three qualifiers for the HomeStoryCup IX. Each qualifier is dedicated to its own area: One for Korea, one for the North American area and one for Europe. This time, you can play for a total of 8 Slots in the Qualifiers: 4 players from Europe, 2 from America and 2 from Korea.
Because our sponsors aren´t finalized yet, we can not afford to pay the trip for everyone. Every player who qualified, will have to play the Top 8 Matches: A 8 player single elimination tournament. The winner of this tournament will get a fully paid trip to Krefeld, Germany.
Qualifier and stream schedule for the HomeStoryCup IX: IMPORTANT CHANGE - PLEASE SIGNUP AGAIN EU Qualifier – May, 18th 6:00 PM CEST – Sign Up KR Qualifier – May, 17th 12:00 AM CEST [KST 7:00 PM] – Sign Up NA Qualifier – May, 17th 9:00 PM CEST [EDT 3:00 PM] – Sign Up Top 8 Tournament - May, 19th 4:00 PM CEST [KST 11:00 PM; EDT 10:00 AM]
Everyone is allowed to participate in one of the qualifiers, with the only requirement, that your official place of residence needs to be in the specific region of the qualifier. The SignUps are already available. IMPORTANT: Due to Problems with our Website, we will not provide a checkin! Everyone signed up for the tournament will appear in the brackets!
All qualifiers will be broadcasted by Dennis 'TaKe' Gehlen along with one or more of his usual suspects. Additionally, we will provide an English stream for each qualifier. The caster(s) for the English stream will be announced soon.
And last but not least, we would like to thank our sponsors! Without them, the tournament wouldn't be possible!
Does this mean that all the players from the 8-player single tournament are qualified for the HSC, only winner gets a fully paid trip but the others players can play if they afford to pay for their trip?
This is really, really short notice. This was announced while almost Koreans were sleeping, the Korean qualifier is going to have an awful lot of walkovers I think. It's also important to note that 12am CEST is NOT 6pm KST, it's 7am KST. That needs correcting immediately.
We are sorry about the confusion here. All information again a little bit more compact:
Qualifier UPDATE:
Time: EU Qualifier – May, 18th 6:00 PM CEST – Sign Up KR Qualifier – May, 17th 12:00 PM CEST [KST 7:00 PM] – Sign Up NA Qualifier – May, 17th 9:00 PM CEST [EDT 3:00 PM] – Sign Up Top 8 Tournament - May, 19th 4:00 PM CEST [KST 11:00 PM; EDT 10:00 AM]
Ingamechannel: NA Qualifier – HSC9NA KR Qualifier – HSC9KR EU Qualifier – HSC9EU
On May 17 2014 04:24 TaKeTV wrote: We are sorry about the confusion here. All information again a little bit more compact:
Qualifier UPDATE:
Time: EU Qualifier – May, 18th 6:00 PM CEST – Sign Up KR Qualifier – May, 17th 12:00 AM CEST [KST 7:00 PM] – Sign Up NA Qualifier – May, 17th 9:00 PM CEST [EDT 3:00 PM] – Sign Up Top 8 Tournament - May, 19th 4:00 PM CEST [KST 11:00 PM; EDT 10:00 AM]
Ingamechannel: NA Qualifier – HSC9NA KR Qualifier – HSC9KR EU Qualifier – HSC9EU
Map List: Round 1. Alterzim Stronghold Round 2. Waystation Round 3. Frost Round 4. Habitation Station Round 5. Merry Go Round LE Round 6. Overgrowth LE Round 7. King Sejong Station LE Round 8. Alterzim Stronghold Round 9. Waystation
On May 17 2014 04:27 olimoley wrote: Dude its still wrong -
Saturday, 17 May 2014, 00:00:00 CEST (12AM) is Saturday, 17 May 2014, 07:00:00 KST (7 AM)
Saturday, 17 May 2014, 12:00:00 CEST (12PM) is Saturday, 17 May 2014, 19:00:00 KST (7PM)
Even though all signs are pretty much pointing to 7PM KST now...
I am sorry. In Germany AM and PM are not used at all, and we got confused, if 12 AM is midnight or midday. The tournament starts Midday CEST - so it should be 12 PM for you.
woah, that is an awful short notice to watch, hopefully the players got more time to register/prepare. Would be sad to miss most/some good players due to schedule stuff...
Because our sponsors aren´t finalized yet, we can not afford to pay the trip for everyone. Every player who qualified, will have to play the Top 8 Matches: A 8 player single elimination tournament. The winner of this tournament will get a fully paid trip to Krefeld, Germany.
So 8 players qualify, the best 1 of those will get the fully paid trip ? Or just the 1 winning the Top8 tournament actually qualifies (and those 3 other qualifiers are just for qualifying for that Top8 tournament) ?
On May 17 2014 04:56 TaKeTV wrote: all 8 players qualifying can attend the HomeStory Cup. But only the winner of the Top8 Tournament will get a fully paid trip.
So we will have 24 invited players, and 8 players from the qualifiers.
My concern with that system is that you will end up with quite a few players who are shooting for the paid trip and when they don't get it, will turn the invite down. Do you have plans as to how to deal with that?
Kinda weird if someone from Germany or Netherlands would win and and the trip costs like 100 euros, while a player from Korea could really need a paid trip. Well a Korean will win anyways, but still^^.
On May 17 2014 17:00 iG.EdIsOn wrote: Here is iG.Jim's profile.KR server iG.Jim#946 Link:http://tw.battle.net/sc2/zh/profile/1126978/2/iGJim/ someone plz help us~~thx
On May 17 2014 17:00 iG.EdIsOn wrote: Here is iG.Jim's profile.KR server iG.Jim#946 Link:http://tw.battle.net/sc2/zh/profile/1126978/2/iGJim/ someone plz help us~~thx
He's signed up as iG.Jim#303 but I added iG.Jim#946 for you. If I get hold of an admin beforehand, I will make sure to remove Jims other account so he's not present in the bracket twice.
On May 17 2014 17:00 iG.EdIsOn wrote: Here is iG.Jim's profile.KR server iG.Jim#946 Link:http://tw.battle.net/sc2/zh/profile/1126978/2/iGJim/ someone plz help us~~thx
He's signed up as iG.Jim#303 but I added iG.Jim#946 for you. If I get hold of an admin beforehand, I will make sure to remove Jims other account so he's not present in the bracket twice.
On May 17 2014 20:02 sharkie wrote: Samsung the only kespa team who allows their players to participate? :o
Samsung is the only KeSPA team to have use of advertisement outside of Korea so not strange they are the only ones to bother with a foreign tournament, especially since the Sunday of HSC there is a ProLeague match date.
Stork vs Nestea, would that be the old veteran versus the even older veteran? Both awesome players, but I can't cheer against Stork on his return to form.
This is a crazy idea, but does anyone know of a place to find German VODs with English subtitles? I just realised how much TakeTV I watch and was thinking about how watching foreign TV with subs on is meant to help you learn the language. I did German at school, so I had a pie in the sky thought about the TakeTV/Rosetta Stone channel.
On May 17 2014 22:40 Quincel wrote: This is a crazy idea, but does anyone know of a place to find German VODs with English subtitles? I just realised how much TakeTV I watch and was thinking about how watching foreign TV with subs on is meant to help you learn the language. I did German at school, so I had a pie in the sky thought about the TakeTV/Rosetta Stone channel.
I don't think such a channel exists :D But if you have any specific translation questions, feel free to drop me a PM
On May 17 2014 23:30 Swisslink wrote: dafuq. I have no idea what NesTea tried to do there.
If you mean the muta switch: It's simple, it was his last resort. He was behind by a lot when he switched.
One more to go! Stork at HSC would be so great.
Well, he was behind, because he banked like 4000 minerals and 3000 Gas... He wasn't building any units almost the entire game...
nestea was basically just saving up for a bigggggggg muta switch. he wasn't behind or gambling, it's just a strategy, similar to how some zerg make 5 overlords early just to do a huge roach timing in zvt
Dear Stork my main man, you carry my FPL, you make me cheer for you even when you are not on my fpl and the guy you are playing against is. Based on that the way I see it you have no choice but to win. Thanks.
On May 18 2014 00:20 padiseal2 wrote: Holy crap, Stork at HSC would be so amazing. Let's hope Samsung can afford the travel in case he doesn't win the 8 man tournament for paid flights.
I'm sure Samsung can The question is whether the SC2 team will get enough support from Samsung. Depends if they care about it or not.
On May 18 2014 00:20 padiseal2 wrote: Holy crap, Stork at HSC would be so amazing. Let's hope Samsung can afford the travel in case he doesn't win the 8 man tournament for paid flights.
On May 18 2014 00:25 stuchiu wrote: Is take having a heart attack from mass droning? Or did he just see Has play?
his girlfriend poisoned the fish
By the way, how much is it?
my stream died, I didn't get to see the end of it. It's still not back for me but I think it's just my parents internet being slow
A German who didn't get it. That is interesting. Maybe if we give it another go. How much is the fish?
ah now I understand.... I though you were asking because Take and Naruto were talking about if it was 100 grams of fish or more and how much fat it has or something like that ^.^
On May 18 2014 00:25 stuchiu wrote: Is take having a heart attack from mass droning? Or did he just see Has play?
his girlfriend poisoned the fish
By the way, how much is it?
my stream died, I didn't get to see the end of it. It's still not back for me but I think it's just my parents internet being slow
A German who didn't get it. That is interesting. Maybe if we give it another go. How much is the fish?
ah now I understand.... I though you were asking because Take and Naruto were talking about if it was 100 grams of fish or more and how much fat it has or something like that ^.^
why the hell do you know scooter though? xD
Of course I know. Scooter was huge. Everyone knows.
On May 18 2014 00:20 padiseal2 wrote: Holy crap, Stork at HSC would be so amazing. Let's hope Samsung can afford the travel in case he doesn't win the 8 man tournament for paid flights.
I'm sure Samsung can The question is whether the SC2 team will get enough support from Samsung. Depends if they care about it or not.
But Stork will win the 8 man tournament anyway!
Well Armani qualified for LSC3 but didn't get fully paid travel by the organisers and still went to the event. So I guess Samsung paid for him to go.
On May 18 2014 05:13 AlternativeEgo wrote: Saw some creep on the wrong side of the map before Violet tapped out. Did he go for an offensive wall or something?
He threw down a hatch with some spines on the natural. The other dude pumped out 3 immortals and just killed everything.
o boy, this seems to be good, they just told on stream that destiny's opponent floated his building after getting killed and asked for a regame because he wasn't on busy, then destiny left the game. Now he want's a third game because destiny left^^
Edit: the "No Brain"-Part was apparently a MC-quote about a MMA-game... (good mechanics, no brain)
Haha, just came home and checked the NA qualifier. There were literally 3 koreans (if we count Select, Cpt. Amerika and Violet as koreans) and 2 qualified Not really surprising seeing who participated though
On May 18 2014 08:05 Circumstance wrote: Polt is qualified, Violet looks to be next. Confirmed: Americans can no longer win American-only qualifiers.
Nothing is more American than having an immigrant fulfill his dreams.
daaaaaaaaaaamn stuchiu
but i really would appreciate it if not all 8 qualifier spots go to koreans, i dont think that's how people imagined it to be when they thought about making a korean, north american and european qualifier
On May 18 2014 08:44 BlackCompany wrote: Haha, just came home and checked the NA qualifier. There were literally 3 koreans (if we count Select, Cpt. Amerika and Violet as koreans) and 2 qualified Not really surprising seeing who participated though
Well, there were 2/9 Americans from WCS AM PL participating, qxc and hendralisk, so that is over 20% of america's finest participating.
On May 19 2014 01:53 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote: Hey, according to the bracket on binarybeast, Gropher won a game and we have a new Worst player on Earht !
On May 19 2014 01:53 SpawnMoarOverlords wrote: Hey, according to the bracket on binarybeast, Gropher won a game and we have a new Worst player on Earht !
TakeTV is sooo german, i dont understand why he doesnt do more stuff in english... its 2014, i bet his german followers understand english, would get a much larger audience, i love the guy! fml
On May 19 2014 05:46 babobbyj wrote: TakeTV is sooo german, i dont understand why he doesnt do more stuff in english... its 2014, i bet his german followers understand english, would get a much larger audience, i love the guy! fml
On May 19 2014 05:46 babobbyj wrote: TakeTV is sooo german, i dont understand why he doesnt do more stuff in english... its 2014, i bet his german followers understand english, would get a much larger audience, i love the guy! fml
he got German sponsors who ask for German stream
And this is exactly the thing I dont get. No matter how much english he tries to make it, its still a german stream...
For me personally, I would look upon those german sponsors in a positive way, hell, i might even order something from them if its relevant...
On May 19 2014 05:46 babobbyj wrote: TakeTV is sooo german, i dont understand why he doesnt do more stuff in english... its 2014, i bet his german followers understand english, would get a much larger audience, i love the guy! fml
he got German sponsors who ask for German stream
And this is exactly the thing I dont get. No matter how much english he tries to make it, its still a german stream...
For me personally, I would look upon those german sponsors in a positive way, hell, i might even order something from them if its relevant...
Ah well, HSC is sweet, woop woop
I think an other point is that he dosn't speak english very well. He got alot of grief for his english casts a view HSC ago. Also I think he don't want to compete against the other english streamer. He got a nice niche with his german streams with no strong competition, therefore he gets alot of german casts from other tournaments.
On May 19 2014 05:46 babobbyj wrote: TakeTV is sooo german, i dont understand why he doesnt do more stuff in english... its 2014, i bet his german followers understand english, would get a much larger audience, i love the guy! fml
he got German sponsors who ask for German stream
And this is exactly the thing I dont get. No matter how much english he tries to make it, its still a german stream...
For me personally, I would look upon those german sponsors in a positive way, hell, i might even order something from them if its relevant...
Ah well, HSC is sweet, woop woop
I think an other point is that he dosn't speak english very well. He got alot of grief for his english casts a view HSC ago. Also I think he don't want to compete against the other english streamer. He got a nice niche with his german streams with no strong competition, therefore he gets alot of german casts from other tournaments.
His english is pretty good, accent is there but so what? I've watched the last 3 homestory cups and at no point did i think "wow, this guy sucks at english".. This isnt the issue at all, it cant be.
EDIT: his english is as good as rotterdams, and he's casting WCS NA so it's not about that
On May 19 2014 06:06 Shellshock wrote: Any good games from the qualifier so far?
Today there were a lot of troll games Paranoid destroyed a protoss with mass queens and banelings, another guy went 3 bases mass battle cruisers against a zerg...don't remember the names but it was like watching bronze league lol
it looks to me like kas just fights a losing battle he needs to get rid of the bases but he isn't able to accomplish it, there's no way he can remax as fast as the zerg
On May 19 2014 07:53 Boucot wrote: Kas will most likely get an invite though, just like Harstem.
But if you are invited the trip isn't paid... Hence why harstem and kas were playing probably.
It's pretty much free for Harstem anyway
Idk, people who are qualifying for a tournament are usually in good shape, while that is not certain for invites. So maybe Harstem just played the qualifier, hoping that he could have one opponent more being invited instead of qualifying and thus potentially weaker.
On May 19 2014 07:53 Boucot wrote: Kas will most likely get an invite though, just like Harstem.
But if you are invited the trip isn't paid... Hence why harstem and kas were playing probably.
It's pretty much free for Harstem anyway
Idk, people who are qualifying for a tournament are usually in good shape, while that is not certain for invites. So maybe Harstem just played the qualifier, hoping that he could have one opponent more being invited instead of qualifying and thus potentially weaker.
Or maybe he's just a good friend and wanted Dennis to save some money
On May 19 2014 09:28 Shellshock wrote: I hope people like Stork can still come even if they don't win the paid trip although I feel like it's unlikely :/
873 euros is the cheapest plane ticket i could find.
Its quite the budget... But then again his team is samsung, they got dat ANDROID MONEY.
On May 19 2014 09:55 djraphi23 wrote: Yeah same for viOLet and Polt. Since they are teamless, I don't think their sponsors/agency would pay a trip to Germany.
Maybe they can do something like paying 50 % of a plane ticket and the player pays the rest (that's what we do for high cost ticket at least )
On May 19 2014 09:55 djraphi23 wrote: Yeah same for viOLet and Polt. Since they are teamless, I don't think their sponsors/agency would pay a trip to Germany.
yeah poor Polt, I bet he never won any money at sc2 :/
I scanned this thread and haven't found an answer. But what's the policy if a player declines because they can't afford or don't want to pay for travel? Are they simply replaced with invitations?
On May 19 2014 09:55 djraphi23 wrote: Yeah same for viOLet and Polt. Since they are teamless, I don't think their sponsors/agency would pay a trip to Germany.
yeah poor Polt, I bet he never won any money at sc2 :/
I know, I'm not going to pity him But it can be understandable for a player, even if he won good money in the past, to not want to lose too much money at the end of a tournament (I'm sure the airline ticket must cost at least 1500$).
On May 19 2014 15:06 baubo wrote: I scanned this thread and haven't found an answer. But what's the policy if a player declines because they can't afford or don't want to pay for travel? Are they simply replaced with invitations?
That's how it has been in the past, so yes, probably.
On May 19 2014 07:53 Boucot wrote: Kas will most likely get an invite though, just like Harstem.
But if you are invited the trip isn't paid... Hence why harstem and kas were playing probably.
It's pretty much free for Harstem anyway
Idk, people who are qualifying for a tournament are usually in good shape, while that is not certain for invites. So maybe Harstem just played the qualifier, hoping that he could have one opponent more being invited instead of qualifying and thus potentially weaker.
Or maybe he's just a good friend and wanted Dennis to save some money
i don't like to be that guy criticizing the pros, but how can a player on that level make a mistake like not putting the fucking SCVs in front of the army?
Haven't seen many players use blink the way Stork did just now. Didn't think he had a chance to break Polt, but that was some nice decision-making and target firing.
On May 20 2014 01:09 jiabung wrote: Haven't seen many players use blink the way Stork did just now. Didn't think he had a chance to break Polt, but that was some nice decision-making and target firing.
On May 20 2014 01:59 Bagration wrote: Polt showing who the better player is. In late game situations, Stork just falls apart and Polt forces so many mistakes out of him
in the last 6 months polt entered the late game in about 5% of his tvps, this wasn't the absolute lategame, he just loves his midgame drop action, never stop, no ghosts.
On May 20 2014 02:01 AlternativeEgo wrote: Polt is now a member of the injustice league as far as I'm concerned >:[
Did he make a girl cry? Beat JYP on the same day his grandmother die? Use 6 pylons to beat Jaedong? Died to buff Dts? Create the blink all-in? Make his career using 3 hatch hydras against the best Protoss player in BW? Make 6 pools against everyone?
Do not underestimate the justice league. This victory Polt made is just a small drop in the bucket compared to the vast achievements of the Injustice League.
On May 20 2014 02:01 AlternativeEgo wrote: Polt is now a member of the injustice league as far as I'm concerned >:[
Did he make a girl cry? Beat JYP on the same day his grandmother die? Use 6 pylons to beat Jaedong? Died to buff Dts? Create the blink all-in? Make his career using 3 hatch hydras against the best Protoss player in BW? Make 6 pools against everyone?
Do not underestimate the justice league. This victory Polt made is just a small drop in the bucket compared to the vast achievements of the Injustice League.
Imagine what the Injustice League could do with someone like Polt recruited to their evil team
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
not only that he said jinro wasn't a good player into losing to him, he also made two foreign heroes retire, idra and naniwa. he is definetely injustice league
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
not only that he said jinro wasn't a good player into losing to him, he also made two foreign heroes retire, idra and naniwa. he is definetely injustice league
Some would say that the second point was a good deed though
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
not only that he said jinro wasn't a good player into losing to him, he also made two foreign heroes retire, idra and naniwa. he is definetely injustice league
Some would say that the second point was a good deed though
wow i found another member of the injustice league
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
not only that he said jinro wasn't a good player into losing to him, he also made two foreign heroes retire, idra and naniwa. he is definetely injustice league
When he beat idra and Naniwa, they were the villians. Idra called everyone fucks who were paying him money to call them fucks. Naniwa blamed soundproofing and quit to a hail of boos.
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
not only that he said jinro wasn't a good player into losing to him, he also made two foreign heroes retire, idra and naniwa. he is definetely injustice league
Some would say that the second point was a good deed though
wow i found another member of the injustice league
nonono, I'm not one of them. Schtulu mentioned evil builds. Didn't Polt have a finger in the 1/1/1?
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
not only that he said jinro wasn't a good player into losing to him, he also made two foreign heroes retire, idra and naniwa. he is definetely injustice league
Some would say that the second point was a good deed though
Well, Naniwa hintet that Polt also leaked trainingreplays before his GSL-Match to his opponent...
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
not only that he said jinro wasn't a good player into losing to him, he also made two foreign heroes retire, idra and naniwa. he is definetely injustice league
Some would say that the second point was a good deed though
wow i found another member of the injustice league
nonono, I'm not one of them. Schtulu mentioned evil builds. Didn't Polt have a finger in the 1/1/1?
First player to ever use it in a televised match. In the first GSL Open.
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
not only that he said jinro wasn't a good player into losing to him, he also made two foreign heroes retire, idra and naniwa. he is definetely injustice league
Some would say that the second point was a good deed though
Well, Naniwa hintet that Polt also leaked trainingreplays before his GSL-Match to his opponent...
He said suspected. But then he said, it was God Damn Mvp. And Mvp did make Parting and Squirte look silly in the ro4 and finals.
On May 20 2014 02:08 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yeah well he was also mean to Jinro
Polt used to be one of the most disliked Korean Terrans long ago, because of what he said about Jinro and subsequently losing to him. Foreign fans are oh so defensive about their foreign heroes
not only that he said jinro wasn't a good player into losing to him, he also made two foreign heroes retire, idra and naniwa. he is definetely injustice league
Some would say that the second point was a good deed though
Well, Naniwa hintet that Polt also leaked trainingreplays before his GSL-Match to his opponent...
He said suspected. But then he said, it was God Damn Mvp. And Mvp did make Parting and Squirte look silly in the ro4 and finals.
On May 20 2014 02:33 sharkie wrote: I will never understand the lack of detection in ZvZ...
Once you reach 200/200 what stops you to build spores to prevent burrowed roaches?
Even pro players don't play perfectly
Of course. I also understand that. But why has no one started doing this? I mean its been years since roaches can move burrowed and no one thought of building detection? ^^
On May 20 2014 02:33 sharkie wrote: I will never understand the lack of detection in ZvZ...
Once you reach 200/200 what stops you to build spores to prevent burrowed roaches?
Even pro players don't play perfectly
Of course. I also understand that. But why has no one started doing this? I mean its been years since roaches can move burrowed and no one thought of building detection? ^^
No idea. It'd be great if a pro player in one of the forums right now could give their thoughts
On May 20 2014 03:03 AWalker9 wrote: Hoping Armani makes the final because vs T is his best match up and recently he's beaten: KeeN MajOr TOP BrAvO Flash
On May 20 2014 04:03 djraphi23 wrote: they switch every game, now it's on NA
Then wp to Targa, wow.
well, lets be honest, there's not that much micro in roach v roach. It's about concave and upgrades
then this is by far not figured out. There is some real potential. I have seen 50+ roaches destroyed by banelingbombs and the rest just get cleared up. I have seen ppl who actually bury the front rows over and over while recharching and then unborrow into the win, how about flanking or hydras or... also I still don't get why in non-muta Games there are not some baneling drops from time to time. Overloards are almost always in place, drop research is possible and not that expensive, especially considering how cheap "dropships" are, and 4 Banelings in each mineralline dropped simultaneously is the immidiate death to the zerg eco. Zergs need to learn more from Terrans: multiple harass at the same time or drop with SMALL amounts of units. Doesn't always have to be the whole army. Also you can pick up units again Just to snipe the queens or tech buildings or whatever... there is still so much potential for mutltiasking, harassing... in short ACTION and excitement for the viewer
On May 20 2014 04:08 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Btw, who is the TvZ king atm?
bbyong is terran king overall imo. his only losses were against soo and dark in tvz for quite a long time
bbyong is great, but he isn't the overall king. What big tourney did he get further then maru, and also he doesn't win as much as maru, ty, flash in PL
On May 20 2014 04:08 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Btw, who is the TvZ king atm?
bbyong is terran king overall imo. his only losses were against soo and dark in tvz for quite a long time
bbyong is great, but he isn't the overall king. What big tourney did he get further then maru, and also he doesn't win as much as maru, ty, flash in PL
he will rise :D and in round three of ProLeague he was the best terran
On May 20 2014 04:14 stuchiu wrote: Terran rankings go:
1) Maru 2) Bbyong 3) Innovation 4) Supernova
Then the rest of the rift raft.
All the terrans who qualified for Code S? XD
we have a winner
doesn't really make them the best alone, right? Being qualified through a group stage is not the same as playing awesome for several month and have gathered more wins then others...
In the European scene Jjakji, ForGG and MMA can all seem brilliant at times. Multi-tasking with drops everywhere as well as splitting in two locations at once, reacting quickly to banes and mutas attacking the mineral lines, etc - super exciting to watch (but makes you fear for their wrists...) All them sometimes lose to foreign zergs, however. In korea noone really seems to stand out, as all perform badly against zerg right now (but they have to play against korean zergs on the other hand).
I am guessing that Bbyong is the strongest TvZ player in the world right now. He looked really lost against Dark, but on the other hand he was very unlucky with spawning positions on certain maps, and apparently Dark is one SKT's best right now.
On May 20 2014 04:14 stuchiu wrote: Terran rankings go:
1) Maru 2) Bbyong 3) Innovation 4) Supernova
Then the rest of the rift raft.
Innovation? Still? I haven't seen him lately but I thought he isn't absolut top anymore?
He's not as good as he used to be but he's still looking fairly strong. He's back in Code S so we have to see how he does in that
even if he leaves code s in the ro32 it doesn't say much, it's a really tough group he got there except squirtle who is mentally handicapped due to his past
On May 20 2014 04:14 stuchiu wrote: Terran rankings go:
1) Maru 2) Bbyong 3) Innovation 4) Supernova
Then the rest of the rift raft.
Innovation? Still? I haven't seen him lately but I thought he isn't absolut top anymore?
He's not as good as he used to be but he's still looking fairly strong. He's back in Code S so we have to see how he does in that
even if he leaves code s in the ro32 it doesn't say much, it's a really tough group he got there except squirtle who is mentally handicaped due to his past
oh yeah I agree. I meant more we have to see what his play looks like. You can definitely play really well and still lose in the Ro32 if everyone else just plays even better. Or you can look like Tassadar in Code A and fall out
On May 20 2014 04:14 stuchiu wrote: Terran rankings go:
1) Maru 2) Bbyong 3) Innovation 4) Supernova
Then the rest of the rift raft.
Lol no Flash?
There's a certain something all his ranked terrans have in common
On May 20 2014 04:16 sharkie wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:14 stuchiu wrote: Terran rankings go:
1) Maru 2) Bbyong 3) Innovation 4) Supernova
Then the rest of the rift raft.
All the terrans who qualified for Code S? XD
we have a winner
doesn't really make them the best alone, right? Being qualified through a group stage is not the same as playing awesome for several month and have gathered more wins then others...
On May 20 2014 04:19 sharkie wrote: The problem with Innovation is: because of his crazy dominance in the past there are only two levels for him by fans: god tier or utter crap ^^
There's nothing in between for Innovation hehe
and the problem about GSL is it is just ONE tournament and you can drop out of it within one short group stage, while other tournaments (like PL) you need to play over several months. Basing things on one tourney is knowingly not a good idea, cause you can cheese your way through several rounds and get very far. I like the proleague format more cause it takes the form over several months. That is why I am wondering, why flash isn't on the list, being at 3rd place of "most kills"
On May 20 2014 04:19 sharkie wrote: The problem with Innovation is: because of his crazy dominance in the past there are only two levels for him by fans: god tier or utter crap ^^
There's nothing in between for Innovation hehe
and the problem about GSL is it is just ONE tournament and you can drop out of it within one short group stage, while other tournaments (like PL) you need to play over several months. Basing things on one tourney is knowingly not a good idea, cause you can cheese your way through several rounds and get very far. I like the proleague format more cause it takes the form over several months. That is why I am wondering, why flash isn't on the list, being at 3rd place of "most kills"
Flash has failed at numerous tournaments. He is just a beast at preparing, thats why he is so strong in PL.
On May 20 2014 04:19 sharkie wrote: The problem with Innovation is: because of his crazy dominance in the past there are only two levels for him by fans: god tier or utter crap ^^
There's nothing in between for Innovation hehe
and the problem about GSL is it is just ONE tournament and you can drop out of it within one short group stage, while other tournaments (like PL) you need to play over several months. Basing things on one tourney is knowingly not a good idea, cause you can cheese your way through several rounds and get very far. I like the proleague format more cause it takes the form over several months. That is why I am wondering, why flash isn't on the list, being at 3rd place of "most kills"
Parting - 11 seasons of Code S. DRG - 11 seasons of Code S. Yugioh - 14 seasons of Code A. Nestea - 10 seaons of Code S. Mvp - 10 seasons of Code S. Maru - 3 seasons of Code S ro8. top 4 in 3 World Finals consecutively. Soulkey - 7 seaons in Code S. Only mised ro8 once.
You think I'm talking about just 1 season of GSL? It has gone on for months and yea, you can get a decent showing with cheesing, but for the most part, the best players keep rising to the top over and over and over again.
Strategically, Flash just hasn't shown he has what it takes to plan out a bo3 or longer series against players of lower, similar or higher level. It's just supposition, but I sometimes think Kespa coaches just help their players prep for PL and they are completely on their own for individual tournaments.
On May 20 2014 04:19 sharkie wrote: The problem with Innovation is: because of his crazy dominance in the past there are only two levels for him by fans: god tier or utter crap ^^
There's nothing in between for Innovation hehe
and the problem about GSL is it is just ONE tournament and you can drop out of it within one short group stage, while other tournaments (like PL) you need to play over several months. Basing things on one tourney is knowingly not a good idea, cause you can cheese your way through several rounds and get very far. I like the proleague format more cause it takes the form over several months. That is why I am wondering, why flash isn't on the list, being at 3rd place of "most kills"
Flash has failed at numerous tournaments. He is just a beast at preparing, thats why he is so strong in PL.
so what defines a good player? Good micro`? Good macro? good allins? good cheese? or is it also good preparation?
on the other hand the most games he lost were just pure flash-counterbuilds If you saw the group stages comparing to he didn't prepare such builds in the group stages, what is why he fails in group stages mostly.
I noticed Polt did not build any ghosts to snipe the overseers so his mines could do actual damage. Oh well, maybe one day we'll get a Terran who can play at a decent level.
On May 20 2014 04:19 sharkie wrote: The problem with Innovation is: because of his crazy dominance in the past there are only two levels for him by fans: god tier or utter crap ^^
There's nothing in between for Innovation hehe
and the problem about GSL is it is just ONE tournament and you can drop out of it within one short group stage, while other tournaments (like PL) you need to play over several months. Basing things on one tourney is knowingly not a good idea, cause you can cheese your way through several rounds and get very far. I like the proleague format more cause it takes the form over several months. That is why I am wondering, why flash isn't on the list, being at 3rd place of "most kills"
Flash has failed at numerous tournaments. He is just a beast at preparing, thats why he is so strong in PL.
so what defines a good player? Good micro`? Good macro? good allins? good cheese? or is it also good preparation?
on the other hand the most games he lost were just pure flash-counterbuilds If you saw the group stages comparing to he didn't prepare such builds in the group stages, what is why he fails in group stages mostly.
What makes a good player? Winning tournaments. Innovation won 1 World Finals, 1 PL, 1 Acer and 1 GSTL. Mvp won 4 GSLs and a double triple crown.
And Flash was playing Hydra/Shine. If he didn't think they were going to cheese him at all, I don't know what to tell you.
And if we go even farther back, Flash got a counter build order win against Maru (1-1-1 vs triple cc) and Maru still won.
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O
Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games. The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.
TvZ is really becoming a problem since mine nerf. The current balance test map is not dealing with the biggest current problem : mutas in TvZ. Muta regen has to be looked at seriously.
On May 20 2014 04:19 sharkie wrote: The problem with Innovation is: because of his crazy dominance in the past there are only two levels for him by fans: god tier or utter crap ^^
There's nothing in between for Innovation hehe
and the problem about GSL is it is just ONE tournament and you can drop out of it within one short group stage, while other tournaments (like PL) you need to play over several months. Basing things on one tourney is knowingly not a good idea, cause you can cheese your way through several rounds and get very far. I like the proleague format more cause it takes the form over several months. That is why I am wondering, why flash isn't on the list, being at 3rd place of "most kills"
Flash has failed at numerous tournaments. He is just a beast at preparing, thats why he is so strong in PL.
so what defines a good player? Good micro`? Good macro? good allins? good cheese? or is it also good preparation?
on the other hand the most games he lost were just pure flash-counterbuilds If you saw the group stages comparing to he didn't prepare such builds in the group stages, what is why he fails in group stages mostly.
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O
Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games. The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.
Polt was never really ahead besides those upgrades.
Disappointed Stork didn't win the paid trip. I hope he sitll goes but idk trip from Korea is probably pretty expensive plus idk if his team would send him
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O
Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games. The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.
No drops by Polt, a nono when you want to be top 10 terran. Bad splits Strange build reasons
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O
Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games. The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.
Polt was never really ahead besides those upgrades.
Yeah because it's not an huge advantage to be 3/3 vs 1/2 for 5min with 5bases vs 5.
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O
Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games. The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.
No drops by Polt, a nono when you want to be top 10 terran. Bad splits Strange build reasons
In other words: Polt, L2P. Applies to every other Terran in the world
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
On May 20 2014 04:39 Shellshock wrote: Disappointed Stork didn't win the paid trip. I hope he sitll goes but idk trip from Korea is probably pretty expensive plus idk if his team would send him
they sent Solar for the last Numericable Nup in France
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O
Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games. The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.
No drops by Polt, a nono when you want to be top 10 terran. Bad splits Strange build reasons
In other words: Polt, L2P. Applies to every other Terran in the world
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O
Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games. The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.
No drops by Polt, a nono when you want to be top 10 terran. Bad splits Strange build reasons
Last day people were pointing out that Terran was stupid to try to go for drops, instead they should collect their army and have some killing-instinct (the game was TY vs Effort).
I mean, its like a double punishment, if you drop you should get your shit together and if you get it together you should drop.
Im quite sure they are doing their best and playing to their strenghts.
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
On May 20 2014 04:39 Shellshock wrote: Disappointed Stork didn't win the paid trip. I hope he sitll goes but idk trip from Korea is probably pretty expensive plus idk if his team would send him
they sent Solar for the last Numericable Nup in France
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
Well, I am sure Life, Soulkey and others would have something to say regarding that
On May 20 2014 04:19 sharkie wrote: The problem with Innovation is: because of his crazy dominance in the past there are only two levels for him by fans: god tier or utter crap ^^
There's nothing in between for Innovation hehe
and the problem about GSL is it is just ONE tournament and you can drop out of it within one short group stage, while other tournaments (like PL) you need to play over several months. Basing things on one tourney is knowingly not a good idea, cause you can cheese your way through several rounds and get very far. I like the proleague format more cause it takes the form over several months. That is why I am wondering, why flash isn't on the list, being at 3rd place of "most kills"
Flash has failed at numerous tournaments. He is just a beast at preparing, thats why he is so strong in PL.
so what defines a good player? Good micro`? Good macro? good allins? good cheese? or is it also good preparation?
on the other hand the most games he lost were just pure flash-counterbuilds If you saw the group stages comparing to he didn't prepare such builds in the group stages, what is why he fails in group stages mostly.
What makes a good player? Winning tournaments.
what makes a good race, 50% winrate? That is such a onsided statement. Wha was C. ronaldo chosen "best player" besides winning NO tournament that year? why was innovation considered best player atm while not winning tournaments? I agree with your list of wins and so on, but the way some play (like TY who wasn't mentioned as well, not only flash) DURING a game is just awesome and in sometimes they show "more" then the mentioned ones recently. Also you forget, that flash was also the player with most wins in last PL, even though the current balance issues. It is said only the best players overcome them so I think it is fair to say that he still belongs to the top players
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O
Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games. The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.
No drops by Polt, a nono when you want to be top 10 terran. Bad splits Strange build reasons
Last day people were pointing out that Terran was stupid to try to go for drops, instead they should collect their army and have some killing-instinct (the game was TY vs Effort).
I mean, its like a double punishment, if you drop you should get your shit together and if you get it together you should drop.
Im quite sure they are doing their best and playing to their strenghts.
edit: yeah, you are kinda right.
The problem is terran scales with multitasking and apm like no other race.
Also i think the maps in this season are really hard for t
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
Effort, the guy who was 1-8 in PL right ? I still think the MUs state is why Effort is so good at tvz now.
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O
Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games. The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.
Polt was never really ahead besides those upgrades.
Yeah because it's not an huge advantage to be 3/3 vs 1/2 for 5min with 5bases vs 5.
Of course it is, but that's all he had going for him. Broodlords make up for it because it acts as additional buffer, and infestors are incredible against marines. His army composition was just wayyy better. Because Polt was poor for so much of the game he was mostly just making marines, which aren't too great against broodlords, banelings and infestors.
Why don't players actually change races more often? People like Classic, and Gumiho initially being random, and MKP jumping right into the SPL action after having played a different game would suggest that you perhaps can switch races successfully, or take breaks and still be competitive.
ZvT is my favourite matchup both to play and watch, but even as a zerg it saddens me to see the matchup being currently so predictable with terrans losing all the time. Couldn't they switch races until something is patched or figured out?
On May 20 2014 04:39 Shellshock wrote: Disappointed Stork didn't win the paid trip. I hope he sitll goes but idk trip from Korea is probably pretty expensive plus idk if his team would send him
they sent Solar for the last Numericable Nup in France
Didn't they also send Armani for LSC3 when he didn't win the paid trip?
On May 20 2014 04:47 diverzee wrote: Why don't players actually change races more often? People like Classic, and Gumiho initially being random, and MKP jumping right into the SPL action after having played a different game would suggest that you perhaps can switch races successfully, or take breaks and still be competitive.
ZvT is my favourite matchup both to play and watch, but even as a zerg it saddens me to see the matchup being currently so predictable with terrans losing all the time. Couldn't they switch races until something is patched or figured out?
Then you will get fucked in the mirror matchups imo.
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
Effort, the guy who was 1-8 in PL right ? I still think the MUs state is why Effort is so good at tvz now.
On May 20 2014 04:39 Shellshock wrote: Disappointed Stork didn't win the paid trip. I hope he sitll goes but idk trip from Korea is probably pretty expensive plus idk if his team would send him
they sent Solar for the last Numericable Nup in France
Didn't they also send Armani for LSC3 when he didn't win the paid trip?
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
Effort, the guy who was 1-8 in PL right ? I still think the MUs state is why Effort is so good at tvz now.
Was thinking the same
LLLLL lost 5 games in a row before playing maru
but maybe when you have such a losing streak, your opponents start to prepare less for you.
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
Soulkey is definitely #1 now for ZvT. Anything below that is hard to say right now I think.
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
Effort, the guy who was 1-8 in PL right ? I still think the MUs state is why Effort is so good at tvz now.
but maybe when you have such a losing streak, your opponents start to prepare less for you.
I don't think anything changed drastically in the TvZ matchup that makes defending 8-8-8 vs hatch gas pool easier. Effort just prepared immensely for this game.
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
Effort, the guy who was 1-8 in PL right ? I still think the MUs state is why Effort is so good at tvz now.
but maybe when you have such a losing streak, your opponents start to prepare less for you.
I don't think anything changed drastically in the TvZ matchup that makes defending 8-8-8 vs hatch gas pool easier. Effort just prepared immensely for this game.
On May 20 2014 04:19 sharkie wrote: The problem with Innovation is: because of his crazy dominance in the past there are only two levels for him by fans: god tier or utter crap ^^
There's nothing in between for Innovation hehe
and the problem about GSL is it is just ONE tournament and you can drop out of it within one short group stage, while other tournaments (like PL) you need to play over several months. Basing things on one tourney is knowingly not a good idea, cause you can cheese your way through several rounds and get very far. I like the proleague format more cause it takes the form over several months. That is why I am wondering, why flash isn't on the list, being at 3rd place of "most kills"
Flash has failed at numerous tournaments. He is just a beast at preparing, thats why he is so strong in PL.
so what defines a good player? Good micro`? Good macro? good allins? good cheese? or is it also good preparation?
on the other hand the most games he lost were just pure flash-counterbuilds If you saw the group stages comparing to he didn't prepare such builds in the group stages, what is why he fails in group stages mostly.
What makes a good player? Winning tournaments.
what makes a good race, 50% winrate? That is such a onsided statement. Wha was C. ronaldo chosen "best player" besides winning NO tournament that year? why was innovation considered best player atm while not winning tournaments? I agree with your list of wins and so on, but the way some play (like TY who wasn't mentioned as well, not only flash) DURING a game is just awesome and in sometimes they show "more" then the mentioned ones recently. Also you forget, that flash was also the player with most wins in last PL, even though the current balance issues. It is said only the best players overcome them so I think it is fair to say that he still belongs to the top players
I did mention TY earlier.And I said Supernova out did him every step of the way during his series in the GSL. I guess the biggest difference in opinion comes to how much you value PL. I don't think it's super important because its 1 week format with 1 map skill set can only be applied to itself. The rest of the world is playing using the GSL Format or weekend long marathon style of DH/MLG. In that case can I say he is really one of the best players when the majority of his skill can only be used in one specific tournament?
And to add to that Flash outside of PL plays extremely similar to MKP after his IPL win. He either goes cc first or a 11/11 or 8/8/8. His skill and preparation outside of PL just aren't impressive enough for me to include him in the group of Code S Terrans. Do I think he is a strong player? Yes. But just like MKP during that time period, he has a large vulnerability in his play. And this time it's not just Symbol abusing it, but every Zerg and Terran player he meets outside of PL.
Well, it's not like either of us are definitively right or wrong in this case anyway. Just two different perspectives on what make a top player.
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
Effort, the guy who was 1-8 in PL right ? I still think the MUs state is why Effort is so good at tvz now.
Effort was never bad in ZvT...
Having 50% TvZ doesn't make you n°1/2 ZvT player in the world. That's average at best.
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
Effort, the guy who was 1-8 in PL right ? I still think the MUs state is why Effort is so good at tvz now.
Effort was never bad in ZvT...
Having 50% TvZ doesn't make you n°1/2 ZvT player in the world. That's average at best.
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote: Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.
Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?
Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.
I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.
I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
Effort, the guy who was 1-8 in PL right ? I still think the MUs state is why Effort is so good at tvz now.
Effort was never bad in ZvT...
Having 50% TvZ doesn't make you n°1/2 ZvT player in the world. That's average at best.
His 2014 results are pretty good imo even if you ignore the random bo3 vs RangnaBlade Results for EffOrt after 2014-01-01.
On May 20 2014 04:19 sharkie wrote: The problem with Innovation is: because of his crazy dominance in the past there are only two levels for him by fans: god tier or utter crap ^^
There's nothing in between for Innovation hehe
and the problem about GSL is it is just ONE tournament and you can drop out of it within one short group stage, while other tournaments (like PL) you need to play over several months. Basing things on one tourney is knowingly not a good idea, cause you can cheese your way through several rounds and get very far. I like the proleague format more cause it takes the form over several months. That is why I am wondering, why flash isn't on the list, being at 3rd place of "most kills"
Flash has failed at numerous tournaments. He is just a beast at preparing, thats why he is so strong in PL.
so what defines a good player? Good micro`? Good macro? good allins? good cheese? or is it also good preparation?
on the other hand the most games he lost were just pure flash-counterbuilds If you saw the group stages comparing to he didn't prepare such builds in the group stages, what is why he fails in group stages mostly.
What makes a good player? Winning tournaments.
what makes a good race, 50% winrate? That is such a onsided statement. Wha was C. ronaldo chosen "best player" besides winning NO tournament that year? why was innovation considered best player atm while not winning tournaments? I agree with your list of wins and so on, but the way some play (like TY who wasn't mentioned as well, not only flash) DURING a game is just awesome and in sometimes they show "more" then the mentioned ones recently. Also you forget, that flash was also the player with most wins in last PL, even though the current balance issues. It is said only the best players overcome them so I think it is fair to say that he still belongs to the top players
I did mention TY earlier.And I said Supernova out did him every step of the way during his series in the GSL. I guess the biggest difference in opinion comes to how much you value PL. I don't think it's super important because its 1 week format with 1 map skill set can only be applied to itself. The rest of the world is playing using the GSL Format or weekend long marathon style of DH/MLG. In that case can I say he is really one of the best players when the majority of his skill can only be used in one specific tournament?
And to add to that Flash outside of PL plays extremely similar to MKP after his IPL win. He either goes cc first or a 11/11 or 8/8/8. His skill and preparation outside of PL just aren't impressive enough for me to include him in the group of Code S Terrans. Do I think he is a strong player? Yes. But just like MKP during that time period, he has a large vulnerability in his play. And this time it's not just Symbol abusing it, but every Zerg and Terran player he meets outside of PL.
Well, it's not like either of us are definitively right or wrong in this case anyway. Just two different perspectives on what make a top player.
ok I will stop complaining now, just wondering why ther is no TY or Flash or Taeja on the list. Don't wanna say that they are better or worse just that they need to be at a "best of terran" list.
And now Polt is 0-6 against korean zergs (and not the best). This is so painful to watch because he looks so dominant in TvP and I feel he can beat any protoss, but always fails to a zerg ... This widow mine nerf really hurt him. He keeps using this only one build but it's obviously not working .
@Shellshock. I did look at that, but this is so few games, and the last tree are in the current meta, where TvZ is really really hard for the terran player.
Blizzard should bring back science vessel at this point if they are not nerfing their precious muta ball. There is nothing "strategy" about moving 40 mutas around in 1 control group including the overseer, engaging missle turrets head on sniping bases. It's not even about balance. It's UGLY as hell.
TvT is the only match where real strategy and tactic matters and it is so rare nowaday.
On May 20 2014 05:25 imrusty269 wrote: Blizzard should bring back science vessel at this point if they are not nerfing their precious muta ball. There is nothing "strategy" about moving 40 mutas around in 1 control group including the overseer, engaging missle turrets head on sniping bases. It's not even about balance. It's UGLY as hell.
TvT is the only match where real strategy and tactic matters and it is so rare nowaday.
On May 20 2014 05:25 imrusty269 wrote: Blizzard should bring back science vessel at this point if they are not nerfing their precious muta ball. There is nothing "strategy" about moving 40 mutas around in 1 control group including the overseer, engaging missle turrets head on sniping bases. It's not even about balance. It's UGLY as hell.
TvT is the only match where real strategy and tactic matters and it is so rare nowaday.
Haha. SC2 zergs will never be ready for Irradiate. The amount of crying that would ensue would be epic
Just watched Stork and Polt's games. Suck that Stork lost. His PvT has always been a bit suspect so losing to Polt was kind of expect. Samsung should still be sending him over because he does have a large foreign following for advertising purposes. Polt though, disappointed that he basically only has one build for TvZ. Felt like if zerg wasn't greedy and played safe they would always come out ahead in the mid-game. Polt really need to vary up his play a bit.
On May 20 2014 11:20 baubo wrote: Just watched Stork and Polt's games. Suck that Stork lost. His PvT has always been a bit suspect so losing to Polt was kind of expect. Samsung should still be sending him over because he does have a large foreign following for advertising purposes. Polt though, disappointed that he basically only has one build for TvZ. Felt like if zerg wasn't greedy and played safe they would always come out ahead in the mid-game. Polt really need to vary up his play a bit.
Not to be a downer, but if Kespa teams cared about foreign fans, we'd be seeing players like Flash, Rain, Soulkey, etc. being sent out to much more foreign events. Kespa teams unfortunately do very little outreach to the foreign fanbase because they are primarily focused domestically. The K in Kespa is fitting in that regard.
I still hope that Samsung and Kespa send Stork, since Armani is already going, but I would keep the fingers crossed, despite how popular Stork is.
On May 20 2014 11:20 baubo wrote: Just watched Stork and Polt's games. Suck that Stork lost. His PvT has always been a bit suspect so losing to Polt was kind of expect. Samsung should still be sending him over because he does have a large foreign following for advertising purposes. Polt though, disappointed that he basically only has one build for TvZ. Felt like if zerg wasn't greedy and played safe they would always come out ahead in the mid-game. Polt really need to vary up his play a bit.
Not to be a downer, but if Kespa teams cared about foreign fans, we'd be seeing players like Flash, Rain, Soulkey, etc. being sent out to much more foreign events. Kespa teams unfortunately do very little outreach to the foreign fanbase because they are primarily focused domestically. The K in Kespa is fitting in that regard.
I still hope that Samsung and Kespa send Stork, since Armani is already going, but I would keep the fingers crossed, despite how popular Stork is.
Kespa doesn't care about foreign scene because most of their sponsors are Korean companies. I mean, it's not like KT or SK Telecom benefit from me knowing who they are. But Samsung has definitely shown some big interest in the foreign scene. Roro went to Dreamhack. Armani to LSC3. And if you look at the qualifiers for HSC, it's basically only Samsung players from the Kespa scene. So I'm optimistic here.
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