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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 19 2014 19:39 GMT
#521
On May 20 2014 04:37 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:36 BakedButters wrote:
It's simply a time where TvZ is the most unbalanced matchup atm.

oh now from TvP to TvZ... hmm
what is next? TvT?
What is (in that match) the imbalance from zerg now, that hasn't been there in WoL besides Muta regen


The maps.
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Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
May 19 2014 19:39 GMT
#522
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote:
Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.


Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?

Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.

I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
May 19 2014 19:39 GMT
#523
On May 20 2014 04:38 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O

Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games.
The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.

Polt was never really ahead besides those upgrades.
Refer to my post.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 19 2014 19:39 GMT
#524
Disappointed Stork didn't win the paid trip. I hope he sitll goes but idk trip from Korea is probably pretty expensive plus idk if his team would send him
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Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
May 19 2014 19:40 GMT
#525
Marus 1 fact, more Rax seems better than massing mines and hellbats which don't seem to do much. Although that relies on having Maru micro..
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
May 19 2014 19:40 GMT
#526
On May 20 2014 04:38 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O

Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games.
The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.

No drops by Polt, a nono when you want to be top 10 terran.
Bad splits
Strange build
reasons
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
May 19 2014 19:40 GMT
#527
it's 4:39 am in korea.... damn armani. that's really impressive
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Myt
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany318 Posts
May 19 2014 19:40 GMT
#528
sad for Polt but Armani played really good games, just a little better as Polt. I don't feel you can blame that on balance.
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
May 19 2014 19:40 GMT
#529
Look at the recent trends. TvZ is now very Z favored. Terran pros don't complain about Protoss, but about Zergs
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 19:41:50
May 19 2014 19:40 GMT
#530
On May 20 2014 04:39 Glorfindel! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote:
Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.


Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?

Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.

I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.


I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.

I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
May 19 2014 19:41 GMT
#531
On May 20 2014 04:39 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:38 Faust852 wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O

Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games.
The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.

Polt was never really ahead besides those upgrades.

Yeah because it's not an huge advantage to be 3/3 vs 1/2 for 5min with 5bases vs 5.
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
May 19 2014 19:41 GMT
#532
On May 20 2014 04:40 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:38 Faust852 wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O

Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games.
The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.

No drops by Polt, a nono when you want to be top 10 terran.
Bad splits
Strange build
reasons


In other words: Polt, L2P. Applies to every other Terran in the world
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
May 19 2014 19:42 GMT
#533
On May 20 2014 04:40 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:39 Glorfindel! wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote:
Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.


Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?

Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.

I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.


I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.

I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.

EFFORT SAYS HELLO
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
May 19 2014 19:42 GMT
#534
On May 20 2014 04:39 Shellshock wrote:
Disappointed Stork didn't win the paid trip. I hope he sitll goes but idk trip from Korea is probably pretty expensive plus idk if his team would send him

they sent Solar for the last Numericable Nup in France
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Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
May 19 2014 19:42 GMT
#535
On May 20 2014 04:41 scypio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:40 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:38 Faust852 wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O

Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games.
The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.

No drops by Polt, a nono when you want to be top 10 terran.
Bad splits
Strange build
reasons


In other words: Polt, L2P. Applies to every other Terran in the world

"lp2". (ref : proxy nexus).
Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
May 19 2014 19:42 GMT
#536
On May 20 2014 04:40 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:38 Faust852 wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I missed this Polt series. How did Armani wreck him? Never even heard of that guy o.O

Muta muta muta into huge midgame push for the 2 1st games.
The 3rd was Polt ahead, attacking the 4rd, polt better army and upgrade, but stilll lose his army. Then polt lost the game with 3/3 with 1/3 because reasons.

No drops by Polt, a nono when you want to be top 10 terran.
Bad splits
Strange build
reasons


Last day people were pointing out that Terran was stupid to try to go for drops, instead they should collect their army and have some killing-instinct (the game was TY vs Effort).

I mean, its like a double punishment, if you drop you should get your shit together and if you get it together you should drop.

Im quite sure they are doing their best and playing to their strenghts.
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 19:43:39
May 19 2014 19:43 GMT
#537
On May 20 2014 04:42 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:40 stuchiu wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:39 Glorfindel! wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote:
Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.


Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?

Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.

I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.


I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.

I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.

EFFORT SAYS HELLO


Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 19 2014 19:44 GMT
#538
On May 20 2014 04:42 Yhamm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:39 Shellshock wrote:
Disappointed Stork didn't win the paid trip. I hope he sitll goes but idk trip from Korea is probably pretty expensive plus idk if his team would send him

they sent Solar for the last Numericable Nup in France

oh ok well maybe there's hope
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Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
May 19 2014 19:44 GMT
#539
On May 20 2014 04:43 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2014 04:42 Faust852 wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:40 stuchiu wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:39 Glorfindel! wrote:
On May 20 2014 04:33 stuchiu wrote:
Targa's ZvZ is good though. Polt's TvZ is not good.


Funny how that seems to apply for every Terran?

Come on, Polt does not have bad TvZ, but it is incredible hard for Terran to go even with Zerg. Balance stats are slowly but steady turning more and more in favour for the Zerg players.

I think it is quite offensive then, saying Polt does not have good TvZ when he puts up such a game vs Armani, who won against Flash in the Code A-qualifier with 2-0 for an example.


I don't think anyone has good TvZ except for Maru against anyone not named Soulkey. Though Inno is a giant ? for me.

I guess I just compare players to the very best of their race. A holdover from a time when every Zerg sucked except for Nestea. Every Protoss sucked except for MC.

EFFORT SAYS HELLO


Effort is like 1st or 2nd best ZvT now. And that was a fucking hard win for him too.


Well, I am sure Life, Soulkey and others would have something to say regarding that
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 19:45:18
May 19 2014 19:44 GMT
#540


I hope they just sent Stork along, basically a half paid trip for both .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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