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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
May 14 2014 11:11 GMT
#461
On May 14 2014 20:10 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 20:08 opterown wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:06 boxerfred wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:02 opterown wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:01 boxerfred wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:00 opterown wrote:
On May 14 2014 19:59 boxerfred wrote:
On May 14 2014 19:59 Incognoto wrote:
Maru is SO GOOD

it's not even funny

he's going to become BIG

he's gonna lose his wrists for sure tho

it doesn't quite happen to everyone though, but maru's wrist posture has always been a bit strange

regarding the fact that they're doing esports for years and years and years in korea now, shouldn't they have found a way to deal with that stuff by now preventively?

not really - i don't know the specifics of it, but even in other sports like soccer or something injuries are still very very common, there are some things which you can't just solve i guess

Sure, but I'm not talking about thinks like in soccer, when you get fouled, your body is being damaged (which is not really preventable). Soccer teams do have one or more guys that take care of the player's bodies before and after matches to ensure no long-term weaknesses are coming up.

i guess esports isn't that big enough that you can can afford a physio per team, plus noone really knows the physiology of gaming anyway haha. i mean there was that massage guy in europe but they're far and few between

plus you can pull a muscle in soccer by just running or falling randomly anyway haha

yeah, that's what i mean. Given that in korea esports is a thing like soccer here in Europe (or at least I assume that), there should be more professionality regarding to health, especially wrists, eyes and back, shouldn't it? The EG guys all do their push-ups, don't they?


I think it's slightly exaggerated
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 11:13:46
May 14 2014 11:12 GMT
#462
On May 14 2014 20:10 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 20:08 opterown wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:06 boxerfred wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:02 opterown wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:01 boxerfred wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:00 opterown wrote:
On May 14 2014 19:59 boxerfred wrote:
On May 14 2014 19:59 Incognoto wrote:
Maru is SO GOOD

it's not even funny

he's going to become BIG

he's gonna lose his wrists for sure tho

it doesn't quite happen to everyone though, but maru's wrist posture has always been a bit strange

regarding the fact that they're doing esports for years and years and years in korea now, shouldn't they have found a way to deal with that stuff by now preventively?

not really - i don't know the specifics of it, but even in other sports like soccer or something injuries are still very very common, there are some things which you can't just solve i guess

Sure, but I'm not talking about thinks like in soccer, when you get fouled, your body is being damaged (which is not really preventable). Soccer teams do have one or more guys that take care of the player's bodies before and after matches to ensure no long-term weaknesses are coming up.

i guess esports isn't that big enough that you can can afford a physio per team, plus noone really knows the physiology of gaming anyway haha. i mean there was that massage guy in europe but they're far and few between

plus you can pull a muscle in soccer by just running or falling randomly anyway haha

yeah, that's what i mean. Given that in korea esports is a thing like soccer here in Europe (or at least I assume that), there should be more professionality regarding to health, especially wrists, eyes and back, shouldn't it? The EG guys all do their push-ups, don't they?

But EG guys also only train maybe a fourth of a korean pro.

edit: yeah, there should be done about this. i hope the teams have doctors who advise them or so
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27406 Posts
May 14 2014 11:12 GMT
#463
On May 14 2014 20:10 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 20:07 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:04 Kireak wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:03 Heartland wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:01 Kireak wrote:
I wonder if its even worth making mutas vs maru as you will never be able to attack with harass with them, litterally the only use is to pick of medivacs that try to fly into your main base to drop, otherwise they are just too well protected.


I think the mutas are there to do what you said, but also to kill retreating units as your ling/blings attack. And to slowly try to reach an awesome flock of 40+ mutas which, while maybe not an automatic gg, are so incredibly powerful that Zerg will have a decisive advantage to win the game


I understand that, but it just doesnt seem to work at all vs maru.

His aggression is just so relentless. I imagine it'll be a far cry from when they were abuseable but it would be interesting to see someone try dual ups ling/infestor styles

Then he will rape you with 5 drops at the same time

Would be entertaining to watch :p. I think it's still worth trying, if only to see if the smoother hive tech and 3/3 transition might make it viable
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 14 2014 11:15 GMT
#464
#blink offender.
I had a good night of sleep.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 14 2014 11:16 GMT
#465
On May 14 2014 20:08 boxerfred wrote:

Loser's match:

[image loading] [image loading]

(P)MyuNgSiK vs. (P)ParalyzE

Game 1

Map: Overgrowth (3rd time in a row. Seems to be a good map!)



0:00 Top right corner, Paralyze spawns
0:00 Bottom left corner, Myungsik spawns

The god of esports rubs his hands and grins fiercely, thinking of poor Boxerfred LR'ing a pvp.

02:00 so far, same build, which means 1gate 2gas for both.
03:00 "Nothing happens in Pvp before the core is done" #justprotossthings
03:10 Scouting probes high-fiving in the middle of the map
03:30 Artosis talking about what you can do with a core, Tasteless tells him politely to shut up. "Countosis!"
4:00 Second gate for Paralyze finishing, Twilight council started. Surprise - same thing for Myungsik.
5:00 Stalker production being started, 3rd gates for both.
5:30 Paralyze misses the warpin pylon of Myungsik
6:00 MSC of Paralyze barely recalls out after scouting Myungsiks base. Note: no overcharge available now.
6:30 In theory, 3gate vs. 3gate should be even. Both adding a robo now.
7:00 Myungsik plays "just bad" #thingsTastelessSays" and loses a stalker for nothing while dancing around Paralyze's main choke.
7:37 Nexus for Myungsik, both going for observers first out of their robos.
8:00 Nexus for Paralyze, immortal production starting for Myungsik.
8:30 This is boring. #thingsDLOhatesToHear
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 11:17:46
May 14 2014 11:17 GMT
#466
well i guess this is a good result to come home to. kinda wish i coulda seen it happen though.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
May 14 2014 11:18 GMT
#467
On May 14 2014 20:10 opterown wrote:
lickitung can i get a cheque mailed to me for all the esports dollars i won a few months ago


here you go
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
May 14 2014 11:19 GMT
#468
That's wonderful, lichter
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 14 2014 11:19 GMT
#469
yay
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 11:25:02
May 14 2014 11:19 GMT
#470
On May 14 2014 20:16 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 20:08 boxerfred wrote:

Loser's match:

[image loading] [image loading]

(P)MyuNgSiK vs. (P)ParalyzE

Game 1

Map: Overgrowth (3rd time in a row. Seems to be a good map!)



0:00 Top right corner, Paralyze spawns
0:00 Bottom left corner, Myungsik spawns

The god of esports rubs his hands and grins fiercely, thinking of poor Boxerfred LR'ing a pvp.

02:00 so far, same build, which means 1gate 2gas for both.
03:00 "Nothing happens in Pvp before the core is done" #justprotossthings
03:10 Scouting probes high-fiving in the middle of the map
03:30 Artosis talking about what you can do with a core, Tasteless tells him politely to shut up. "Countosis!"
4:00 Second gate for Paralyze finishing, Twilight council started. Surprise - same thing for Myungsik.
5:00 Stalker production being started, 3rd gates for both.
5:30 Paralyze misses the warpin pylon of Myungsik
6:00 MSC of Paralyze barely recalls out after scouting Myungsiks base. Note: no overcharge available now.
6:30 In theory, 3gate vs. 3gate should be even. Both adding a robo now.
7:00 Myungsik plays "just bad" #thingsTastelessSays" and loses a stalker for nothing while dancing around Paralyze's main choke.
7:37 Nexus for Myungsik, both going for observers first out of their robos.
8:00 Nexus for Paralyze, immortal production starting for Myungsik.
8:30 This is boring. #thingsDLOhatesToHear

9:00 Forge for Myungsik, immortals for both
9:30 Forge for Paralyze. Looks like Paralyze is roughly 10-30 seconds behind everything that Myungsik is doing. That won't make a difference at all, though.
10:00 Artosis: "You're currently not able to kill each other. You can't. So you get your upgrades".
10:30 +1 attack for Paralyze, +1 attack for Myungsik. See? 30 secs between the forges makes no difference, since Myungsik failed to instantly PUSH DAT BUTTON
11:00 Charge for both players. 3 more gates for Paralyze, templar archives for Myungsik.
11:30 Templar archive for Paralyze, warp prism for Myungsik.
12:00 Overall 5 more gates now for Paralyze, 4 for Myungsik, plus colossus tech (hidden!!!) for Myungsik. Whoa, we got some variation here!

Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
11%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
44%

★★★- Good game (4)
 
44%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
May 14 2014 11:20 GMT
#471
god this is so boring to watch
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
May 14 2014 11:20 GMT
#472
That cheque is l3g1t
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
May 14 2014 11:23 GMT
#473
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
11%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
44%

★★★- Good game (4)
 
44%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
May 14 2014 11:23 GMT
#474
that triple immortal team wrecked stuff hard
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
May 14 2014 11:23 GMT
#475
Bzzzt Bzzzt
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Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
May 14 2014 11:23 GMT
#476
Well, Myungsik just ate a concave.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 11:25:21
May 14 2014 11:23 GMT
#477
On May 14 2014 20:19 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 20:16 boxerfred wrote:
On May 14 2014 20:08 boxerfred wrote:

Loser's match:

[image loading] [image loading]

(P)MyuNgSiK vs. (P)ParalyzE

Game 1

Map: Overgrowth (3rd time in a row. Seems to be a good map!)



0:00 Top right corner, Paralyze spawns
0:00 Bottom left corner, Myungsik spawns

The god of esports rubs his hands and grins fiercely, thinking of poor Boxerfred LR'ing a pvp.

02:00 so far, same build, which means 1gate 2gas for both.
03:00 "Nothing happens in Pvp before the core is done" #justprotossthings
03:10 Scouting probes high-fiving in the middle of the map
03:30 Artosis talking about what you can do with a core, Tasteless tells him politely to shut up. "Countosis!"
4:00 Second gate for Paralyze finishing, Twilight council started. Surprise - same thing for Myungsik.
5:00 Stalker production being started, 3rd gates for both.
5:30 Paralyze misses the warpin pylon of Myungsik
6:00 MSC of Paralyze barely recalls out after scouting Myungsiks base. Note: no overcharge available now.
6:30 In theory, 3gate vs. 3gate should be even. Both adding a robo now.
7:00 Myungsik plays "just bad" #thingsTastelessSays" and loses a stalker for nothing while dancing around Paralyze's main choke.
7:37 Nexus for Myungsik, both going for observers first out of their robos.
8:00 Nexus for Paralyze, immortal production starting for Myungsik.
8:30 This is boring. #thingsDLOhatesToHear

9:00 Forge for Myungsik, immortals for both
9:30 Forge for Paralyze. Looks like Paralyze is roughly 10-30 seconds behind everything that Myungsik is doing. That won't make a difference at all, though.
10:00 Artosis: "You're currently not able to kill each other. You can't. So you get your upgrades".
10:30 +1 attack for Paralyze, +1 attack for Myungsik. See? 30 secs between the forges makes no difference, since Myungsik failed to instantly PUSH DAT BUTTON
11:00 Charge for both players. 3 more gates for Paralyze, templar archives for Myungsik.
11:30 Templar archive for Paralyze, warp prism for Myungsik.
12:00 Overall 5 more gates now for Paralyze, 4 for Myungsik, plus colossus tech (hidden!!!) for Myungsik. Whoa, we got some variation here!

13:00 Nothing happening. Do you remember those AoE2 "20 min no attack" thingy?
13:30 3rd for both players. Poor rocks get destroyed by #protossPower. Fuck this, racist bastards, always rocks.. poor rocks.
14:00 Paralyze having roughly 20 more army supply somehow. There's one colossus for Myungsik though.
14:30 Paralyze moving in on the 3rd of Myungsik - well, no, into the natural. Nexus cannon being forced.
15:00 Paralyze forced the cancel on the 3rd, which is great for him. That might just be the culminating moment of the game.
15:30 Nothing happening
16:00 Myungsik moving out on the map.
16:10 Myungsik moving out off the map.
16:30 Paralyze leaving the middle of the map, Myungsik moving out on the map, gathering up to push up into a concave.
17:00 Tasteless "would not advise attacking into that concave" that Paralyze has set up.
17:10 Engagement, Myungsik walks into that concave, which is a bad idea, as Tasteless correctly said.
17:30 GG, Paralyze wins!

Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
 
11%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
 
44%

★★★- Good game (4)
 
44%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
 
0%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season


MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
May 14 2014 11:23 GMT
#478
I miss the Frotoss.
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
polpot
Profile Joined April 2012
3002 Posts
May 14 2014 11:24 GMT
#479
Artosis curse waay too strong, poor Myungsik
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
May 14 2014 11:24 GMT
#480
Vote in the poll please ;;;
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