• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:44
CEST 19:44
KST 02:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection5Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? What kind of tool would you be interested in? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) WardiTV Mondays Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 FlaSh's ASL S21 Finals Review BW animated web series: seeking contributors BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June
Tourneys
[BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Path of Exile
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6454 users

[SPL] Round 2 Play Offs - Final! - Page 25

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 53 Next
Girondelle
Profile Joined December 2010
France969 Posts
April 01 2014 10:06 GMT
#481
On April 01 2014 19:04 sibs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 19:03 Girondelle wrote:
11/11, the only all-in that even when scouted, still wins.


blink stalkers

immortal all ins?

or was that sarcasm?


No, that was my inner zerg speaking :D but now that think of it, terrans must feel the same vs blink all ins.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
April 01 2014 10:06 GMT
#482
On April 01 2014 19:03 bo1b wrote:
its 2014 he should know by now that hatch first is better first 14 pool


the resurgence of no gas pool first into hatch makes 11/11 so much better these days.
Zest fanboy.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-01 10:08:36
April 01 2014 10:07 GMT
#483
Also DRG waited until his drone scouted to do anything, which might seem good, but he had a 400 mineral bank then. So his pool was 200 minerals late, a hatch would be 100 late, that's a lot on that level.

Edit: Especially since the scout costs minerlas too, I think a blind 15 hatch, 14 pool is better, or just go 15 pool from the start like Snute.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33625 Posts
April 01 2014 10:07 GMT
#484
the shark scares me each time :[
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 01 2014 10:07 GMT
#485
On April 01 2014 19:05 Musicus wrote:
If you know it's coming, can't you just buld 1 or 2 spines in the main take gas and build drones and queens? You don't have to expand right?


you have to expand. If you don't expand, Terran just can just choose to not expand either and outproduces you 2:1. Or they expand and then you have to allin, starting with busting down 5bunkers in your natural to bust down 5bunkers in his natural to bust down 5bunkers up his ramp.
JabuSeika
Profile Joined February 2014
United States607 Posts
April 01 2014 10:07 GMT
#486
Sniper and then Keen...

Maru all kill incoming.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 01 2014 10:07 GMT
#487
On April 01 2014 19:06 bo1b wrote:
Nestea showed us 3 years ago that hatch first is better vs 11/11 then 14 pool. wtf was that from drg

DRG concedes maps so his 100% winrate in macro vs bio goes unnoticed. (:
sibs
Profile Joined July 2012
635 Posts
April 01 2014 10:07 GMT
#488
On April 01 2014 19:06 bo1b wrote:
Nestea showed us 3 years ago that hatch first is better vs 11/11 then 14 pool. wtf was that from drg



The problem was that pool was sooooo late, it was a 15 pool with 400+ minerals on the bank and he used a drone scout.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 01 2014 10:08 GMT
#489
On April 01 2014 19:06 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 19:03 bo1b wrote:
its 2014 he should know by now that hatch first is better first 14 pool


the resurgence of no gas pool first into hatch makes 11/11 so much better these days.


Unless you 10 pool. Then its auto win for Zerg.
Moderator
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
April 01 2014 10:08 GMT
#490
On April 01 2014 19:03 Girondelle wrote:
11/11, the only all-in that even when scouted, still wins.


dat bias. Roach/bane/ling has bo wins in ZvT, a good chunk of P all in (soul train :D) vZ/T don't care that much if you scouts it.
Zest fanboy.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
April 01 2014 10:08 GMT
#491
On April 01 2014 19:06 Girondelle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 19:04 sibs wrote:
On April 01 2014 19:03 Girondelle wrote:
11/11, the only all-in that even when scouted, still wins.


blink stalkers

immortal all ins?

or was that sarcasm?


No, that was my inner zerg speaking :D but now that think of it, terrans must feel the same vs blink all ins.


I feel the same against Speedling all-ins when I miss my FF (or have a hex more space in my wall than I think...).
KT best KT ~ 2014
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
April 01 2014 10:08 GMT
#492
On April 01 2014 19:06 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 19:03 bo1b wrote:
its 2014 he should know by now that hatch first is better first 14 pool


the resurgence of no gas pool first into hatch makes 11/11 so much better these days.

Such an awful build that basically only ever breaks even if the terran doesn't wall off, or goes for 14 cc on the low ground and can pick off the scv
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
April 01 2014 10:08 GMT
#493
On April 01 2014 19:07 Musicus wrote:
Also DRG waited until his drone scouted to do anything, which might seem good, but he had a 400 mineral bank then. So his pool was 200 minerals late, a hatch would be 100 late, that's a lot on that level.


Yeah it was quite slow wasn't it? Surely once he got to ramp and saw supply but nothing else he could have done it instantly.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
April 01 2014 10:08 GMT
#494
On April 01 2014 19:08 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 19:06 sAsImre wrote:
On April 01 2014 19:03 bo1b wrote:
its 2014 he should know by now that hatch first is better first 14 pool


the resurgence of no gas pool first into hatch makes 11/11 so much better these days.


Unless you 10 pool. Then its auto win for Zerg.


no but it's an hilarious game ^^
Zest fanboy.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 01 2014 10:08 GMT
#495
God damn that Pizza looks nice :o
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 01 2014 10:08 GMT
#496
On April 01 2014 19:07 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 19:06 bo1b wrote:
Nestea showed us 3 years ago that hatch first is better vs 11/11 then 14 pool. wtf was that from drg

DRG concedes maps so his 100% winrate in macro vs bio goes unnoticed. (:


Sacrificial pawns for the greater cause.
Moderator
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 01 2014 10:08 GMT
#497
Dream or Sniper imo and then Super last.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 01 2014 10:08 GMT
#498
On April 01 2014 19:08 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2014 19:06 sAsImre wrote:
On April 01 2014 19:03 bo1b wrote:
its 2014 he should know by now that hatch first is better first 14 pool


the resurgence of no gas pool first into hatch makes 11/11 so much better these days.

Such an awful build that basically only ever breaks even if the terran doesn't wall off, or goes for 14 cc on the low ground and can pick off the scv

The CC has time to be completed on all maps.
EthanS
Profile Joined February 2011
United States206 Posts
April 01 2014 10:09 GMT
#499
On April 01 2014 19:07 Musicus wrote:
Also DRG waited until his drone scouted to do anything, which might seem good, but he had a 400 mineral bank then. So his pool was 200 minerals late, a hatch would be 100 late, that's a lot on that level.


Good point - he clearly intended to scout and react. So its odd that he didn't refine his build more so that he wouldn't delay so much on the Hatch - i.e., that he'd get the scout in a little faster.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
April 01 2014 10:09 GMT
#500
tomatotoss fighting!
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 53 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 16m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 371
trigger 121
ProTech91
BRAT_OK 89
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3285
Shuttle 863
Mini 839
EffOrt 688
ggaemo 167
Soulkey 165
Rush 108
actioN 99
hero 56
Rock 25
[ Show more ]
GoRush 20
IntoTheRainbow 16
Hm[arnc] 15
soO 11
SilentControl 9
Dota 2
Gorgc8890
qojqva3660
Fuzer 184
League of Legends
Reynor73
Counter-Strike
fl0m7152
zeus308
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu251
Other Games
gofns37310
tarik_tv10861
FrodaN901
DeMusliM435
byalli343
QueenE224
C9.Mang0188
RotterdaM119
Mew2King100
Hui .88
crisheroes76
Trikslyr53
CosmosSc2 17
uThermal8
MindelVK8
Grubby0
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV220
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 30
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota235
Other Games
• WagamamaTV747
• imaqtpie408
• Shiphtur229
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
6h 16m
Replay Cast
15h 16m
Kung Fu Cup
17h 16m
Maestros of the Game
21h 16m
Classic vs Lambo
Clem vs Maru
Replay Cast
1d 6h
The PondCast
1d 16h
Maestros of the Game
1d 21h
Serral vs Rogue
herO vs SHIN
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Maestros of the Game
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
OSC
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
Heroes Pulsing #2
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.