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With so few points for second place, it makes it all the worse.
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
With so few points for second place, it makes it all the worse. | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
What? 12 gas openings in tvp are often designed to expand afterwards, since successfully 1 base all inning a protoss who has a MSC doesn't really exist anymore. He cheesed vs DRG. Other two were pretty aggressive openers but hardly what you'd call cheesy. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On April 02 2014 15:55 ROOTiaguz wrote: What? 12 gas openings in tvp are often designed to expand afterwards, since successfully 1 base all inning a protoss who has a MSC doesn't really exist anymore. He cheesed vs DRG. Other two were pretty aggressive openers but hardly what you'd call cheesy. 1/1/1 is no longer a cheese? | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
not with a CC o.o its pretty standard, and can transition into lategame, although you need to do some damage since your bio upgrades are generally delayed but you dont really sac econ to do it, just stim/shield timing and upgrades | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On April 02 2014 16:08 nath wrote: not with a CC o.o its pretty standard, and can transition into lategame, although you need to do some damage since your bio upgrades are generally delayed but you dont really sac econ to do it, just stim/shield timing and upgrades He'd made siege tanks and a raven before the cc though... Thats like saying a 1 base roach all in with a follow up hatch isn't a cheese | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 02 2014 15:55 ROOTiaguz wrote: What? 12 gas openings in tvp are often designed to expand afterwards, since successfully 1 base all inning a protoss who has a MSC doesn't really exist anymore. He cheesed vs DRG. Other two were pretty aggressive openers but hardly what you'd call cheesy. The game on Frost was a cheese. He didn't build a CC behind it, he wasn't ahead despite his 11kills on workers. He was fully relying on Tails attacking into him and not getting detection, and Tails delivered. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18548 Posts
On April 02 2014 16:08 nath wrote: not with a CC o.o its pretty standard, and can transition into lategame, although you need to do some damage since your bio upgrades are generally delayed but you dont really sac econ to do it, just stim/shield timing and upgrades So its just like blink? | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On April 02 2014 16:58 Big J wrote: The game on Frost was a cheese. He didn't build a CC behind it, he wasn't ahead despite his 11kills on workers. He was fully relying on Tails attacking into him and not getting detection, and Tails delivered. He was relying on tails losing every single zealot he had without doing damage, on tails collosi attacking refineries until they were killed by vikings, and on tails archons patiently waiting behind the immortals, before waltzing into mines. The fact that all of that shit is required + a hell of a lot more for the game to even be winnable by maru after his 11 probe killing 'harass' tells us that it's definitely not a cheese. rofl. I'm sure the 1/1/1 siege tank into raven build off one base is as standard as it gets, and I should be ashamed for having the gall to call that a cheese! | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 02 2014 17:32 bo1b wrote: He was relying on tails losing every single zealot he had without doing damage, on tails collosi attacking refineries until they were killed by vikings, and on tails archons patiently waiting behind the immortals, before waltzing into mines. The fact that all of that shit is required + a hell of a lot more for the game to even be winnable by maru after his 11 probe killing 'harass' tells us that it's definitely not a cheese. rofl. I'm sure the 1/1/1 siege tank into raven build off one base is as standard as it gets, and I should be ashamed for having the gall to call that a cheese! You're talking Billowy on Yeonsu. He expanded behind the first drop in that game, that's not a cheese. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 02 2014 18:10 SC2Toastie wrote: Sadly, to some people every build that doesn't expand by 20 supply is a cheese nowadays. Yay defensive maps! If they werent a cheese, then they would be played. But as is, such builds rely on the opponent fucking up his scouting/reaction, which is the exact definition of cheese. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On April 02 2014 18:10 SC2Toastie wrote: Sadly, to some people every build that doesn't expand by 20 supply is a cheese nowadays. Yay defensive maps! Is expanding on 50 after building 3 bunkers in your opponents natural standard? | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 02 2014 18:29 bo1b wrote: Is expanding on 50 after building 3 bunkers in your opponents natural standard? Is having a third done on 50 supply standard? Yes. Think about it for a second. This game greatly misses an early and a midgame, which is so bad that a lot of people actually call you a cheeser if you don't NR15. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On April 02 2014 18:41 SC2Toastie wrote: Is having a third done on 50 supply standard? Yes. Think about it for a second. This game greatly misses an early and a midgame, which is so bad that a lot of people actually call you a cheeser if you don't NR15. Rewatch the series? I don't know what you expect more, 11/11, 1-1-1 drop into drop into cloak banshee, 2 blink rushes, 2 oracle rushes, another 1-1-1 drop... | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7817 Posts
It's just going to get better in the upcoming rounds. I'm actually pretty pumped about SC2 for the first time in... ever? Let alone for the real playoffs. You should be too. Great teams, great players, and people putting it on the line. I say bring it. | ||
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