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On March 18 2014 20:14 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:13 liberate71 wrote:On March 18 2014 20:12 bo1b wrote:On March 18 2014 20:12 DJHelium wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 liberate71 wrote: wtf is this pocket man nickname? I wonder as well. They're ironically saying that maru is really tall Is it another one of Wolf's "they call him pocket man" forced references? No, the gg girls had it on there signs, it's pretty clear they saying his short, I shouldn't use sarcasm on the internet
Well yeh.. he's short.. but pocket man?
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On March 18 2014 20:11 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:11 opterown wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... a few nice mine shots did seal it for him The game was pretty over by the time that happened
the game was over the moment creator put down the 2 forges -.- he lost on the exact same map some days ago against bbyong trying to play a macro game aswell. the only difference was, that bbyong isn't maru, so the game lasted a bit longer
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On March 18 2014 20:14 opterown wrote: what does the SPL MVP leaderboard look like now?
Maru should be ahead of TY by two wins. Ahead of Creator (RorO too?) by 3.
Oh and I think FlaSh is on 9 wins too?
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On March 18 2014 20:14 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here I swear I must have seen another game. well at the very end when creator was pushing out with 2-2 chargelots and a colossus against 1-0 bio, he kinda crushed maru's army til walking into the mine though, it could have been closer
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On March 18 2014 20:14 berndniph wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:11 bo1b wrote:On March 18 2014 20:11 opterown wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... a few nice mine shots did seal it for him The game was pretty over by the time that happened the game was over the moment creator put down the 2 forges -.- he lost on the exact same map some days ago against bbyong trying to play a macro game aswell. the only difference was, that bbyong isn't maru, so the game lasted a bit longer
To be fair, Maru was going for a macro game too... Creator just decided to die to early pressure.
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On March 18 2014 20:12 Frex wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . So the weakness of protoss is that they tend to throw colossi away. I honestly wonder how the game would have looked if Creator had actually kept the first two colossi save.
I think the army trades evenly and Creator probably ahead due to upgrades. Maru drops to buy time for Vikings and creator gets Templar tech, then Maru gets ghosts and a few mines and it comes down to the big battle between mines, ghosts, storm.
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On March 18 2014 20:14 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here I swear I must have seen another game.
If you think the mines didn't play a part then yes you did.
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On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here
Creator had 1 colossus when the fight at the watchtower happened. Not sure if he even had range. 1 colossus counter attack on cross spawn Frost is not scary at all.
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On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here
Nah, creator lost multiple colossi. No way Terrans dies after sniping 2nd and 3rd goes down as well as 2 colo. Even with upgrade advantage, you still need to colo DPS.
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On March 18 2014 20:16 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:14 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here I swear I must have seen another game. If you think the mines didn't play a part then yes you did.
I think he is saying Maru was going to win the game even if they were prebuff mines...
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On March 18 2014 20:18 Zerg.Zilla wrote:Wow child molester :/
Wolf getting his awkwardness to the next level without even knowing it.
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On March 18 2014 20:20 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:16 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:14 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here I swear I must have seen another game. If you think the mines didn't play a part then yes you did. I think he is saying Maru was going to win the game even if they were prebuff mines...
Oh if he is saying that then I agree. The patch didn't matter in this game at all. The mines did however
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I was rooting for Prime, but I can't complain about that. Some of the sickest shit I've ever seen from Maru.
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On March 18 2014 20:20 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:16 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:14 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here I swear I must have seen another game. If you think the mines didn't play a part then yes you did. I think he is saying Maru was going to win the game even if they were prebuff mines... THat is what I meant, Maru would have won the game due to the micro madness and creator overly greedy. The mines were unncesary buffed imho, it makes Zealots that cost 100minerals look like individual zerlings...
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On March 18 2014 20:28 DreamOen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:20 vthree wrote:On March 18 2014 20:16 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:14 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here I swear I must have seen another game. If you think the mines didn't play a part then yes you did. I think he is saying Maru was going to win the game even if they were prebuff mines... THat is what I meant, Maru would have won the game due to the micro madness and creator overly greedy. The mines were unncesary buffed imho, it makes Zealots that cost 100minerals look like individual zerlings...
dont crush our TvP hopes, we've been through too much
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On March 18 2014 20:28 DreamOen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:20 vthree wrote:On March 18 2014 20:16 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:14 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here I swear I must have seen another game. If you think the mines didn't play a part then yes you did. I think he is saying Maru was going to win the game even if they were prebuff mines... THat is what I meant, Maru would have won the game due to the micro madness and creator overly greedy. The mines were unncesary buffed imho, it makes Zealots that cost 100minerals look like individual zerlings...
The mine buff is to counter Templar openings that rely heavily on mass Zealots with upgrades.
Against Collosus play with small Zealot numbers the Mines are completely unnecessary, against huge Zealot/Archon numbers is what they are intended to be used for.
See Dear vs Maru. That series shows just what the devs had in mind for them. It helps a lot at countering the sheer cost efficiency of Templar midgame builds.
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On March 18 2014 20:53 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:28 DreamOen wrote:On March 18 2014 20:20 vthree wrote:On March 18 2014 20:16 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:14 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here I swear I must have seen another game. If you think the mines didn't play a part then yes you did. I think he is saying Maru was going to win the game even if they were prebuff mines... THat is what I meant, Maru would have won the game due to the micro madness and creator overly greedy. The mines were unncesary buffed imho, it makes Zealots that cost 100minerals look like individual zerlings... The mine buff is to counter Templar openings that rely heavily on mass Zealots with upgrades. Against Collosus play with small Zealot numbers the Mines are completely unnecessary, against huge Zealot/Archon numbers is what they are intended to be used for. See Dear vs Maru. That series shows just what the devs had in mind for them. It helps a lot at countering the sheer cost efficiency of Templar midgame builds.
Yeah but the thing is there are no options anymore for protoss, just one route tosses have to go for. robo -> colossi.
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On March 18 2014 20:55 DreamOen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2014 20:53 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 18 2014 20:28 DreamOen wrote:On March 18 2014 20:20 vthree wrote:On March 18 2014 20:16 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:14 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:13 sharkie wrote:On March 18 2014 20:10 TheDwf wrote:On March 18 2014 20:09 DreamOen wrote: Not sure if the widow mine buff was necessary, but GREAT game sense by maru knowing where the weakness of the race is and abussing it . What did the game even have to do with Mines... Well the mines made it much easier in the end. Do you know how many games I've seen where terrans snipe the 2nd and 3rd of protoss and just die to the counter all in? Mines definitely helped Maru here I swear I must have seen another game. If you think the mines didn't play a part then yes you did. I think he is saying Maru was going to win the game even if they were prebuff mines... THat is what I meant, Maru would have won the game due to the micro madness and creator overly greedy. The mines were unncesary buffed imho, it makes Zealots that cost 100minerals look like individual zerlings... The mine buff is to counter Templar openings that rely heavily on mass Zealots with upgrades. Against Collosus play with small Zealot numbers the Mines are completely unnecessary, against huge Zealot/Archon numbers is what they are intended to be used for. See Dear vs Maru. That series shows just what the devs had in mind for them. It helps a lot at countering the sheer cost efficiency of Templar midgame builds. Yeah but the thing is there are no options anymore for protoss, just one route tosses have to go for. robo -> colossi.
That hasn't been the case from what I've been seeing. Still seeing plenty of High Templar usage before Collosus tech, especially with how common Blink openings are Templar are the logical transition path if the all in fails or does damage enough to put you ahead.
And plus it isn't as though the Mines make Zealot/Archon play COMPLETELY unusable, it just helps the Bio force deal with it until Ghosts are able to be fielded.
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