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On March 16 2014 06:53 Ryndika wrote:
At broodlord + infestor days it WAS NOT problem for everyone in LADDER. Me and couple others had over 60% winrate mid-high masters against zerg.
Anyway, biggest thing is that broodlord infestor power was superlategame and you could scout, react and do anything you want before that. Against blink you don't know what is happening outside of your base and if you guess wrong you most likely die.
Still, even if it's strong guys. It's not necessasrily broken. Polt and many do incredibly well. We didn't have many terrans in this tournament but many got thru to semifinals. (Like all?)
Couple map fixes and a change might not even be needed if we figure something little out about scouting the transition.
You misspelled "Maru".
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On March 16 2014 06:54 i.of.the.storm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:50 baba1 wrote:
It doesn't matter how good SoS is or how good he can blink his stalkers. It doesn't make exciting games. Blink stalkers almost every PvT is insulting especially in a100k tournaments.
2 boring protoss will battle it out with boring unit compositions in the finals. Yay. I don't care who has the most colossi left at the end of an engagement so I won't watch.
Meh, even as a Terran PvP is actually really good to watch these days. That's the main reason I don't think MSC should be nerfed, because it stabilizes PvP so much. I like the one guy's idea about moving Time Warp to Twilight Council research, it'd weaken blink all ins considerably without making MSC useless. Maybe even make it like warp gates where it's really cheap but just takes a while to research so that it's just delayed and not prohibitive to get.
Well Time Warp is pretty critical to PvP, though. And if you make someone choose between Time Warp or Blink research, then you could make Stargate openings even way stronger than they already are.
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On March 16 2014 06:50 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:49 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 16 2014 06:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 16 2014 06:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Honest question, was the Starcraft 2 fanbase so hostile at the peaks of Terran and Zerg dominations? I wasn't watching back then, but people seem so angry and disgusted nowadays, just wondering if it was like this in the past. It was never this bad. There was anger during the days of GOMTvT and BL/infestor, but there is a level of disgust now that is unparalleled in the history of the SC2 community. The term "patch_insertRace" was basically forged during BL-INF. Yeah it was not bad at all... We even had an entire article about the Lings of Liberty.
Lol, yeah you are right,
For people who don't truly remember the "good old" BL-INF days
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/385876-lings-of-liberty-the-rise-of-the-patchzergs
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On March 16 2014 06:52 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:50 Levistus wrote:
is getting a siege tank or even two that bad in that situation? he had a factory anyway. just for zoning the stalkers and getting free hits if they get close to the ramp, or behind his main troops, even protecting those bunkers. i don't know if you still need to research siege tech though different sites say different things. Meh, Jjakji tried it, they will just find a position your tank can't defend or blink on top of it.
Yeah, tank is not really better than mines anymore.
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On March 16 2014 06:52 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:50 baba1 wrote:
It doesn't matter how good SoS is or how good he can blink his stalkers. It doesn't make exciting games. Blink stalkers almost every PvT is insulting especially in a100k tournaments.
2 boring protoss will battle it out with boring unit compositions in the finals. Yay. I don't care who has the most colossi left at the end of an engagement so I won't watch.
sOs and herO boring? Good god. If that is your opinion, maybe you should watch more of these players (and more PvP). Man...
Why would I watch something I find boring? It's not like I haven't seen hundreads of PvPs already... You are confusing me.
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Alrigth mad and slighly-less-mad people, this day wasnt too good in terms of quality but lets hope the finals will make up for that. See you (or dont see you) tomorrow hopefully
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On March 16 2014 06:55 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:54 i.of.the.storm wrote:On March 16 2014 06:50 baba1 wrote:
It doesn't matter how good SoS is or how good he can blink his stalkers. It doesn't make exciting games. Blink stalkers almost every PvT is insulting especially in a100k tournaments.
2 boring protoss will battle it out with boring unit compositions in the finals. Yay. I don't care who has the most colossi left at the end of an engagement so I won't watch.
Meh, even as a Terran PvP is actually really good to watch these days. That's the main reason I don't think MSC should be nerfed, because it stabilizes PvP so much. I like the one guy's idea about moving Time Warp to Twilight Council research, it'd weaken blink all ins considerably without making MSC useless. Maybe even make it like warp gates where it's really cheap but just takes a while to research so that it's just delayed and not prohibitive to get. Well Time Warp is pretty critical to PvP, though. And if you make someone choose between Time Warp or Blink research, then you could make Stargate openings even way stronger than they already are.
How can you even write something like this...
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On March 16 2014 06:55 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:54 i.of.the.storm wrote:On March 16 2014 06:50 baba1 wrote:
It doesn't matter how good SoS is or how good he can blink his stalkers. It doesn't make exciting games. Blink stalkers almost every PvT is insulting especially in a100k tournaments.
2 boring protoss will battle it out with boring unit compositions in the finals. Yay. I don't care who has the most colossi left at the end of an engagement so I won't watch.
Meh, even as a Terran PvP is actually really good to watch these days. That's the main reason I don't think MSC should be nerfed, because it stabilizes PvP so much. I like the one guy's idea about moving Time Warp to Twilight Council research, it'd weaken blink all ins considerably without making MSC useless. Maybe even make it like warp gates where it's really cheap but just takes a while to research so that it's just delayed and not prohibitive to get. Well Time Warp is pretty critical to PvP, though. And if you make someone choose between Time Warp or Blink research, then you could make Stargate openings even way stronger than they already are.
It doesn't buff stargate openings, just forces protosses to use them...
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#passionlost, in the style of my upcoming mafia game
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:52 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:50 stuchiu wrote:On March 16 2014 06:49 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 16 2014 06:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 16 2014 06:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Honest question, was the Starcraft 2 fanbase so hostile at the peaks of Terran and Zerg dominations? I wasn't watching back then, but people seem so angry and disgusted nowadays, just wondering if it was like this in the past. It was never this bad. There was anger during the days of GOMTvT and BL/infestor, but there is a level of disgust now that is unparalleled in the history of the SC2 community. The term "patch_insertRace" was basically forged during BL-INF. Yeah it was not bad at all... We even had an entire article about the Lings of Liberty. Which I never understood btw. It was written by some kind of TL writer and when people were like "but isn't that balance whine?", all the insiders and TL VIPs were all "dudes you don't get the humor!". But it did really seem like balance whine ;D
Dunno what it was since I never read the original source of the parody, but like all other satire it was half comical half deadly serious.
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On March 16 2014 06:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:42 Dwayn wrote:On March 16 2014 06:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 16 2014 06:36 y3gz wrote:
this game is a fucking joke.
No wonder it's dying. rofl. I'm not watching the finals either, but get real. This tournament has had too many great games. If anything it's a prime example of why sc2 still has hope. I don't see it. Overall the games haven't been that great... For me this has been top3 tournament ever
As a terran player/fan... I agree. We've had some amazing 5 star games. The series have overall been very competitive. Casting and production have been top notch. Now two of the top players have advanced to the finals to battle it out over 100k!
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On March 16 2014 06:51 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 16 2014 06:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Honest question, was the Starcraft 2 fanbase so hostile at the peaks of Terran and Zerg dominations? I wasn't watching back then, but people seem so angry and disgusted nowadays, just wondering if it was like this in the past. It was never this bad. There was anger during the days of GOMTvT and BL/infestor, but there is a level of disgust now that is unparalleled in the history of the SC2 community. It was never this bad because of 2 things: a) TL mods were better at banning people b) There are almost more terran players than P and Z combined on TL (OK, not really, but there is quite a substantial amount more terrans than other races)
That's a pretty questionable statement. Protoss is the most played (and Terran the least) on both Battle.net and professionally (gaps are pretty small, but they're still there).
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On March 16 2014 06:53 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:52 ZenithM wrote:On March 16 2014 06:50 stuchiu wrote:On March 16 2014 06:49 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 16 2014 06:47 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On March 16 2014 06:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Honest question, was the Starcraft 2 fanbase so hostile at the peaks of Terran and Zerg dominations? I wasn't watching back then, but people seem so angry and disgusted nowadays, just wondering if it was like this in the past. It was never this bad. There was anger during the days of GOMTvT and BL/infestor, but there is a level of disgust now that is unparalleled in the history of the SC2 community. The term "patch_insertRace" was basically forged during BL-INF. Yeah it was not bad at all... We even had an entire article about the Lings of Liberty. Which I never understood btw. It was written by some kind of TL writer and when people were like "but isn't that balance whine?", all the insiders and TL VIPs were all "dudes you don't get the humor!". But it did really seem like balance whine ;D But it had pretty pictures and stuff too.
It was a shitty article. Albeit at a shitty time for the game. I think the whine is about equal, personally.
A lot of this is a hangover from WOL for people's ideas on how P is "meant to be played". Six months from now as players adapt, and as the new patch kicks in (it's only been a couple of weeks or so), hopefully everyone will have calmed down.
(Unless something else pops up to rage about! Heh.)
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France10239 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:#passionlost, in the style of my upcoming mafia game
hahahahaha that's pretty funny
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On March 16 2014 06:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:#passionlost, in the style of my upcoming mafia game
Lol. I appreciate your effort!
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:55 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:53 Ryndika wrote:
At broodlord + infestor days it WAS NOT problem for everyone in LADDER. Me and couple others had over 60% winrate mid-high masters against zerg.
Anyway, biggest thing is that broodlord infestor power was superlategame and you could scout, react and do anything you want before that. Against blink you don't know what is happening outside of your base and if you guess wrong you most likely die.
Still, even if it's strong guys. It's not necessasrily broken. Polt and many do incredibly well. We didn't have many terrans in this tournament but many got thru to semifinals. (Like all?)
Couple map fixes and a change might not even be needed if we figure something little out about scouting the transition. You misspelled "Maru".
Maru is so good that he is single handidly making the entire Protoss Race think of him as 10 people.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2014 06:48 Vindicare605 wrote:
No matter how bad my dislike of the state of Protoss gets, I just CANNOT dislike Liquid_Hero
I find this twitter post funny due to the fact that HerO 3-0ed Innovation in a pretty abusive fashion that included Blink a little while ago, lol. ;>
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On March 16 2014 06:55 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 06:54 i.of.the.storm wrote:On March 16 2014 06:50 baba1 wrote:
It doesn't matter how good SoS is or how good he can blink his stalkers. It doesn't make exciting games. Blink stalkers almost every PvT is insulting especially in a100k tournaments.
2 boring protoss will battle it out with boring unit compositions in the finals. Yay. I don't care who has the most colossi left at the end of an engagement so I won't watch.
Meh, even as a Terran PvP is actually really good to watch these days. That's the main reason I don't think MSC should be nerfed, because it stabilizes PvP so much. I like the one guy's idea about moving Time Warp to Twilight Council research, it'd weaken blink all ins considerably without making MSC useless. Maybe even make it like warp gates where it's really cheap but just takes a while to research so that it's just delayed and not prohibitive to get. Well Time Warp is pretty critical to PvP, though. And if you make someone choose between Time Warp or Blink research, then you could make Stargate openings even way stronger than they already are.
Then screw PvP, non mirrors should be balanced first... And no, TW is not critical to PvP.
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Moving Time Warp to the Twilight Council makes no sense with regards the internal logic of the game's design. The twilight council is concerned with upgrading gateway tech tree/units. I get that it would nerf blink all ins, but it seems like an awkward design decision. Cybernetics core would make more sense from a design perspective.
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On March 16 2014 06:57 Zambrah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I find this twitter post funny due to the fact that HerO 3-0ed Innovation in a pretty abusive fashion that included Blink a little while ago, lol. ;>
Vindicare605 = fanboyism at its max lol
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