EPTPost-nerf blink all in still pretty strong, but at least PvP is the better of the three mirror matches IMHO.
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spritzz
Canada331 Posts
Post-nerf blink all in still pretty strong, but at least PvP is the better of the three mirror matches IMHO. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:57 Zambrah wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2014 06:48 Vindicare605 wrote: No matter how bad my dislike of the state of Protoss gets, I just CANNOT dislike Liquid_Hero I find this twitter post funny due to the fact that HerO 3-0ed Innovation in a pretty abusive fashion that included Blink a little while ago, lol. ;> I dont get how he's a hypocrite. He's just admitting that it feels dirty and not fun to watch. Its not like he's doing those builds because he wants to be entertaining; he's a progamer! he wants to win. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:57 Zambrah wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2014 06:48 Vindicare605 wrote: https://twitter.com/Liquid_HerO/status/444951502017560576 No matter how bad my dislike of the state of Protoss gets, I just CANNOT dislike Liquid_Hero I find this twitter post funny due to the fact that HerO 3-0ed Innovation in a pretty abusive fashion that included Blink a little while ago, lol. ;> TIL If you have ever used blink you cannot criticize blink. Only people who aren't experienced with the build should criticize it. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:52 Stratos_speAr wrote: Yes, it was definitely this bad with Zerg. Not so much Terran, because Terran's dominance was due to the really high skill ceiling (so we saw some awesome plays, and TvT is undoubtedly the best mirror), but people were fucking PISSED in the days of Z dominance. There was no high skill ceiling when people were complaining about 1/1/1, scv all-ins, 2-rax, pre-nerf emp, and BF hellions. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:58 Absentia wrote: Moving Time Warp to the Twilight Council makes no sense with regards the internal logic of the game's design. The twilight council is concerned with upgrading gateway tech tree/units. I get that it would nerf blink all ins, but it seems like an awkward design decision. Cybernetics core would make more sense from a design perspective. who gives a shit about a design perspective Spore crawlers do more damage to bio - you know cause... they... yeh what lol  | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
Nah he can be out fanboyed probably. | ||
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ESTeGo
Estonia17 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:53 ssxsilver wrote: BL/Infestor definitely got the most hate. Terran hate seemed to come and go. Most of it came during the open seasons of WOL with SCV pulls. I think for the most part, the hate didn't boil over because most of the OP stuff got nerfed relatively quickly (rightly so). I mean, can you imagine the backlash if 5 rax reapers won 4 straight premiere tournaments? Winfestors, GGlords, the marine anecdote (2 marines walk into a bar.. no counter), patchzergs and so on.. These things all show how hostile people were. But now it's about the maps not the units. And as always most people watching don't really get what is going on and go with the flow and bash races when they lose on ladder, even though it's just prolly cause they are bad(anything under GM and high Master) | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:58 Absentia wrote: Moving Time Warp to the Twilight Council makes no sense with regards the internal logic of the game's design. The twilight council is concerned with upgrading gateway tech tree/units. I get that it would nerf blink all ins, but it seems like an awkward design decision. Cybernetics core would make more sense from a design perspective. Yeah, I've posted about this on Bnet before and on the previous balance map Bnet thread. I may try again when the next patch comes out and hopefully it gets some attention. If anything, I think the MSC has too much utility with three spells right off the bat. Moving TW to Cybercore and making it a cheap and short upgrade would also add an element of tech choice to P. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:55 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Well Time Warp is pretty critical to PvP, though. And if you make someone choose between Time Warp or Blink research, then you could make Stargate openings even way stronger than they already are. ... seriously? | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:57 vthree wrote: Then screw PvP, non mirrors should be balanced first... And no, TW is not critical to PvP. MSC being attached to the nexus or at least tethered with enough range to be able to cover both main and natural would make it even better in PvP while weakening protoss aggression against other races. That was the original design after all, not sure why they abandoned it except maybe for entertainment value but I find watching 2 base blink in almost every TvP quite the opposite of entertaining. | ||
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FakePseudo
Belgium716 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:56 stuchiu wrote: Dunno what it was since I never read the original source of the parody, but like all other satire it was half comical half deadly serious. IIRC, Ver meant close to no satire at all, and 99% people didn't feel any comical aspect in this article. I don't even recall VIBags and insiders acting like there was some inside joke in there but maybe they did, you never know | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:56 Stratos_speAr wrote: That's a pretty questionable statement. Protoss is the most played (and Terran the least) on both Battle.net and professionally (gaps are pretty small, but they're still there). Well I guess it could be, but that's coming off of what i see in LRs (the race icons near the posters) as well as FPL (when you submit your team, you are automatically assigned to a group of either 'protoss players', 'terran players' or 'zerg players'. Currently there are 1749T, 711P and 503Z). | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:57 Zambrah wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2014 06:48 Vindicare605 wrote: https://twitter.com/Liquid_HerO/status/444951502017560576 No matter how bad my dislike of the state of Protoss gets, I just CANNOT dislike Liquid_Hero I find this twitter post funny due to the fact that HerO 3-0ed Innovation in a pretty abusive fashion that included Blink a little while ago, lol. ;> He did say he does use the build ;D Not like back in the day when Mvp was nicknamed the "Conscience Terran" for acknowledging the strength of 1-1-1 and promising not to use it anymore. Well, he actually used it plenty afterwards ;D | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
Compared to herO who used blink six times recently I think he has the right to criticize. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:01 Ammanas wrote: Well I guess it could be, but that's coming off of what i see in LRs (the race icons near the posters) as well as FPL (when you submit your team, you are automatically assigned to a group of either 'protoss players', 'terran players' or 'zerg players'. Currently there are 1749T, 711P and 503Z). Probably because terran icons > protoss or zerg icons. Mostly. | ||
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1nobody
Czech Republic2040 Posts
On March 16 2014 06:58 tshi wrote: I dont get how he's a hypocrite. He's just admitting that it feels dirty and not fun to watch. Its not like he's doing those builds because he wants to be entertaining; he's a progamer! he wants to win. Well, i wouldnt say that he's saying that nobody should use that, but rather something should happen with the game, so its not so strong. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:01 ZenithM wrote: He did say he does use the build ;D Not like back in the day when Mvp was nicknamed the "Conscience Terran" for acknowledging the strength of 1-1-1 and promising not to use it anymore. Well, he actually used it plenty afterwards ;D But then no one cared cause he had a broken body. | ||
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zerK
Canada176 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:01 ZenithM wrote: He did say he does use the build ;D Not like back in the day when Mvp was nicknamed the "Conscience Terran" for acknowledging the strength of 1-1-1 and promising not to use it anymore. Well, he actually used it plenty afterwards ;D because Mvp is all about playing to win | ||
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