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Okay calm down folks, stop balance whining or the bans are going to get long.
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
February 16 2014 22:17 GMT
#6221
Calling Polt 4-3 HerO, just cause I can't be more wrong than that guy who only picked KesPA players.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6222
On February 17 2014 07:16 Godwrath wrote:
Am i back to 2012 ? 20 pages about immortal all in.

About a failed Immortal all-in that went into a bigger Immortal all-in that lasted like 10 or so minutes.
KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6223
GO POLT!
England will fight to the last American
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6224
This is indeed fate. I just finished work and Polt vs HerO just started. Sorry HerO, I love you but Polt is my GOD.
eurTsItniH
Profile Joined January 2012
887 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6225
Wait what, did Adebisi retire!?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6226
On February 17 2014 07:17 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:17 stuchiu wrote:
Polt is not a knight.

He's a General.

[image loading]

you make that or steal it?

From the Polt fanclub.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6227
On February 17 2014 07:15 Lumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:13 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:13 ReMinD_ wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:08 darkness wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:06 Lumi wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:58 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:56 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:49 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 YoloSwaggins wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 MosART wrote:
4-1 Polt!


I think Hero might cheese him out in 1-2 games...but lets hope it'll be 4-0 polt;)

4-0 is not unlikely, Rain is imo the better player and he beat him.


HerO's cheesebook is way better than Rain who is strongest in standard play.
This could get close but I really want Polt to win because I am super annoyed at HerO and protoss in general.

Even as a terran that game was so annoying to watch. Yes JD had a bad trade at HerO's natural but HerO failed 1st zealot attack, he failed 1st immortal push, in the end it was even 3 base zerg vs. 1 base protoss (until JD's third died) and he still wins because that map + forcefields = immortals with 60 kills.


1. He "failed" the first zealot attack but they traded minerals for minerals so it didn't do too much honestly.
2. He "failed" the first immortal push but once again huge trades and he kept his immortals alive
3. You don't get 60 kills on an immortal without SICK micro with the warp prism. Deserved.


Dude, if you think loading up a unit in a dropship so it doesn't die and forcefielding so that it can never be hit anyway is really hard to achieve, and if a 60 kill count immortal in that scenario really blows your mind, you really have little to no experience or expertise in what you're talking about lol. It's really easy and if it impresses you it's only relative to your own skill, rather to anything that impresses anyone GM+, or for many masters players. Seriously, Blizzard's own micro challenges are even harder than that. It's a two base all in, it's old and it's what protoss players do all the time. A career pro like herO not fucking up so badly that he lets his immortals die completely unecessarily is really a matter of expected and basic competence than it is any kind of 'incredible feat' from which we may derive a sense of 'deserves to win' based on a 'display of skill'. TBH, herO has first class micro but nothing about executing that all-in will ever demonstrate that lol.


So how about you have a 60-kill immortal vs JaeDong? Exactly. Shut up and appreciate HerO or you're just some bitter zerg player?


I'd be more impressed if there was a way for Zerg to fight that push off. But there isn't. The Warp Prism is never in danger of dying.


except when it died...


Yeah the game was already over by then and even then it was HerO's fault rather than Jaedong's achievement, lol. It's not like he ever should lose it. We call that bad micro.


lol if it's so easy lets see you pull that off? and it's not herO (that is CJ herO) it's fucking HerO!
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6228
On February 17 2014 07:14 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:12 Sokrates wrote:
What pisses people of is not the fact that hero played really well it is the fact that he shouldnt have won after two failed allins. Not that hero didnt play well but after 2 failed allins you should have not a snowballs chance in hell to get back into it other than your enemy throwing it hard.

Which is pretty much exactly what happened lol


No? Lol. Btw, it's failed 4 gate vs 3 hatch before pool, into failed all in, into repeat of failed all-in vs superior tech. Chobos might assert that JD made mistakes and threw the match but if you pulled up the replay with them and asked them to point to specific moments and say "That exact command was a mistake" and also ask them to say exactly what could have been done better, they won't actually know, or will start spilling all of their bogus perceptions which serve to retain their lower league status in the game. Best not to sweat it, but then that makes this all hypocritical of me I like telling the truth.
twitter.com/lumigaming - DongRaeGu is the One True Dong - /r/onetruedong
looken
Profile Joined September 2011
727 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6229
On February 17 2014 07:16 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Grand Final

(T)Polt vs (P)HerO


Game 1 - Heavy Rain LE

00:00 Polt Spawns Bottom, Hero Spawns Top

IMBA

Protoss already on top

broken mu

#dead game


am I doing this right?

Cmon polt!!!!!!!

depends on what you want to achieve. if you wanted to cheer me up after seeing JD getting all ined out of the tournament you did a fine job mate!!
"Jingle Bells, Tasteless smells" Artosis 17.12.15
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6230
On February 17 2014 07:15 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:14 Bagration wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:13 n0ise wrote:
why are people so bitter?

is there some betting scene I'm not aware of maybe?


jaedong is more popular than Hero. And people tend to hate Protoss these days. That is all


well... allining protosses arent really popular. I think people have a lot of respect for Rain's macro game.


almost 1 million views on his fan club thread, not popular, ok.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6231
On February 17 2014 07:17 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:10 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:09 Squat wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:00 redviper wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:55 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:53 Squat wrote:
It is absolutely baffling that JD still has not figured out that zerg is never supposed to be aggressive when ahead, unless you have already won. If he just falls back, makes some drones and masses hydras, hero has zero chance of winning. Again, his over-aggression kills him. And he never learns.

Fuck everything, I'll go drink some battery acid now or something.


Lol. JD is so terrible with his consistent top 4 finishes. He never learns how to play decently. Must be hard to be butthurt all the time.


I'll never understand this devotion that people bring over for JD from BW days.
Lets list all the tournaments JD has won shall we.

Asus ROG
Numericable M-House Cup
HyperX 10 year anniversary.

Its pretty lol worthy to compare him to HerO.

WCS NA S1
NASL S4
DH Winter
DH Winter
IPL Fight club
MLG Summer quals
IPL Season 3 qual 1.
FXOpen Invite

Not to mention that HerO actually plays in PL and Jaedong plays in .. well nothing really. Not even GSTL.




JD was a Brood War legend. Without people like him, this game, this tournament, this website would not exist. Hate all you want but players like JD built this fucking scene with their hard work in a cramped apartment for shit pay over years and years.

People respect him because he's fucking earned it. People like him because of what he's done, and for the awesome memories he's given them. Unless you were there, you will never understand.

That guy is an idiot for shitting on JD, but seriously you are going to far with the whine today.

Who is whining? I never even mentioned balance in this thread once. I was angry and disappointed that my biggest idol lost in a really stupid way. I thought he played poorly. Get off your high horse, being pretentious doesn't suit you.

Well you're clearly angry so I would take some time to calm down. Not on a high horse mate I have lost my shit in LR threads after a favorite of mine lost in the past.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
February 16 2014 22:18 GMT
#6232
On February 17 2014 07:17 DaedricTV wrote:
Jaedong fans are by far the worst members of the SC community.

Thank god you are giving us such a good contribution
Neosteel Enthusiast
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#6233
On February 17 2014 07:17 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:17 stuchiu wrote:
Polt is not a knight.

He's a General.

[image loading]

you make that or stealborrow it?


I've had that in my sc2 folder for like a year
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#6234
On February 17 2014 07:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Grand Final

(T)Polt vs (P)HerO


Game 1 - Heavy Rain LE

00:00 Polt Spawns Bottom, Hero Spawns Top


01:00 Fuck I don't know PvT, ah well, get ready for some shit
rax opening for Polt
gateway for Hero

02:00 Gas for Polt
and 2 gases for Hero
just chilling out man, looking good

03:00
Reaper for Polt and an OC
Cyber core for Hero
Zealot for Hero not skipping that shit
Polt looking to put down his CC at the natural
Reaper is out


04:00 Stalker, MSC, warp gate research
LOOK AT THAT REAPER GO, NNNNEEEEEWAAAAAAHHHHH
so fucking fast
bunker for Polt
and marine production beginning
Hero is moving out with a zealot a stalker and his MSC
poly spots it with his reaper

05:00 Polt begins a quick factory
The bunker will deflect the pressure quite easily
HERO RUNS UP THE RAMP WOW
THE STALKER AND THE ZEALOT GET INTO THE MAIN
TIMEE WARP
SCV PULLED OFF THE LINE!!!!!
Zerg for Life
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
February 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#6235
On February 17 2014 07:18 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:15 Lumi wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:13 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:13 ReMinD_ wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:08 darkness wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:06 Lumi wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:58 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:56 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:49 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 YoloSwaggins wrote:
[quote]

I think Hero might cheese him out in 1-2 games...but lets hope it'll be 4-0 polt;)

4-0 is not unlikely, Rain is imo the better player and he beat him.


HerO's cheesebook is way better than Rain who is strongest in standard play.
This could get close but I really want Polt to win because I am super annoyed at HerO and protoss in general.

Even as a terran that game was so annoying to watch. Yes JD had a bad trade at HerO's natural but HerO failed 1st zealot attack, he failed 1st immortal push, in the end it was even 3 base zerg vs. 1 base protoss (until JD's third died) and he still wins because that map + forcefields = immortals with 60 kills.


1. He "failed" the first zealot attack but they traded minerals for minerals so it didn't do too much honestly.
2. He "failed" the first immortal push but once again huge trades and he kept his immortals alive
3. You don't get 60 kills on an immortal without SICK micro with the warp prism. Deserved.


Dude, if you think loading up a unit in a dropship so it doesn't die and forcefielding so that it can never be hit anyway is really hard to achieve, and if a 60 kill count immortal in that scenario really blows your mind, you really have little to no experience or expertise in what you're talking about lol. It's really easy and if it impresses you it's only relative to your own skill, rather to anything that impresses anyone GM+, or for many masters players. Seriously, Blizzard's own micro challenges are even harder than that. It's a two base all in, it's old and it's what protoss players do all the time. A career pro like herO not fucking up so badly that he lets his immortals die completely unecessarily is really a matter of expected and basic competence than it is any kind of 'incredible feat' from which we may derive a sense of 'deserves to win' based on a 'display of skill'. TBH, herO has first class micro but nothing about executing that all-in will ever demonstrate that lol.


So how about you have a 60-kill immortal vs JaeDong? Exactly. Shut up and appreciate HerO or you're just some bitter zerg player?


I'd be more impressed if there was a way for Zerg to fight that push off. But there isn't. The Warp Prism is never in danger of dying.


except when it died...


Yeah the game was already over by then and even then it was HerO's fault rather than Jaedong's achievement, lol. It's not like he ever should lose it. We call that bad micro.


lol if it's so easy lets see you pull that off? and it's not herO (that is CJ herO) it's fucking HerO!


Yeah, I know. I thought about editing it but who cares. Evidently you xD Sorry, though. It bothered me, too.
twitter.com/lumigaming - DongRaeGu is the One True Dong - /r/onetruedong
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#6236
On February 17 2014 07:18 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:15 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:14 Bagration wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:13 n0ise wrote:
why are people so bitter?

is there some betting scene I'm not aware of maybe?


jaedong is more popular than Hero. And people tend to hate Protoss these days. That is all


well... allining protosses arent really popular. I think people have a lot of respect for Rain's macro game.


almost 1 million views on his fan club thread, not popular, ok.


I don't think he was talking about HerO since he said "allining protosses"
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
February 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#6237
On February 17 2014 07:17 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:10 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:09 Squat wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:00 redviper wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:55 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:53 Squat wrote:
It is absolutely baffling that JD still has not figured out that zerg is never supposed to be aggressive when ahead, unless you have already won. If he just falls back, makes some drones and masses hydras, hero has zero chance of winning. Again, his over-aggression kills him. And he never learns.

Fuck everything, I'll go drink some battery acid now or something.


Lol. JD is so terrible with his consistent top 4 finishes. He never learns how to play decently. Must be hard to be butthurt all the time.


I'll never understand this devotion that people bring over for JD from BW days.
Lets list all the tournaments JD has won shall we.

Asus ROG
Numericable M-House Cup
HyperX 10 year anniversary.

Its pretty lol worthy to compare him to HerO.

WCS NA S1
NASL S4
DH Winter
DH Winter
IPL Fight club
MLG Summer quals
IPL Season 3 qual 1.
FXOpen Invite

Not to mention that HerO actually plays in PL and Jaedong plays in .. well nothing really. Not even GSTL.




JD was a Brood War legend. Without people like him, this game, this tournament, this website would not exist. Hate all you want but players like JD built this fucking scene with their hard work in a cramped apartment for shit pay over years and years.

People respect him because he's fucking earned it. People like him because of what he's done, and for the awesome memories he's given them. Unless you were there, you will never understand.

That guy is an idiot for shitting on JD, but seriously you are going to far with the whine today.

Who is whining? I never even mentioned balance in this thread once. I was angry and disappointed that my biggest idol lost in a really stupid way. I thought he played poorly. Get off your high horse, being pretentious doesn't suit you.

Jaedong's key to success is Jaedong. Jaedong's true enemy is Jaedong.
very illegal and very uncool
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
February 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#6238
ruh roh. Blink all in. TL is going to explode...
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#6239
On February 17 2014 07:18 Lumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:14 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:12 Sokrates wrote:
What pisses people of is not the fact that hero played really well it is the fact that he shouldnt have won after two failed allins. Not that hero didnt play well but after 2 failed allins you should have not a snowballs chance in hell to get back into it other than your enemy throwing it hard.

Which is pretty much exactly what happened lol


No? Lol. Btw, it's failed 4 gate vs 3 hatch before pool, into failed all in, into repeat of failed all-in vs superior tech. Chobos might assert that JD made mistakes and threw the match but if you pulled up the replay with them and asked them to point to specific moments and say "That exact command was a mistake" and also ask them to say exactly what could have been done better, they won't actually know, or will start spilling all of their bogus perceptions which serve to retain their lower league status in the game. Best not to sweat it, but then that makes this all hypocritical of me I like telling the truth.

Right trying to find mistakes makes you maintain your lower league status. Saying, "That shit is unbeatable, nothing I can do against that" really promotes league advancement.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
February 16 2014 22:19 GMT
#6240
And dat blink

I loathe zeal Stalker stalker MSC poke

I feel like lastshadow with his 15CC losing to a poke =(
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
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