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[IEM] Cologne Day 4 - Ro8, Ro4 and Grand Finals - Page 307

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Okay calm down folks, stop balance whining or the bans are going to get long.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 16 2014 22:09 GMT
#6121
On February 17 2014 07:09 argonautdice wrote:
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On February 17 2014 07:08 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:07 argonautdice wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:05 DaedricTV wrote:
I really hope HerO wins, I really like Polt, but you guys are truly disgusting with your reactions.

I hope HerO wins just to ruin your weekend.

lol, you mad?

Actually more like everyone else is mad at protoss.

Are you mad? Probably less than the other guy.

Nah I'm appreciating the padding to my report stats. There are a lot of surefire winners here.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
February 16 2014 22:09 GMT
#6122
On February 17 2014 07:08 bo1b wrote:
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On February 17 2014 07:06 Cheren wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:04 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:03 NarutO wrote:
Why the hell are so many people negative? Yes people don't like allins, I can understand. People don't like their favorite losing, I get that. But who the hell can say that this series wasn't nailbiting and exciting till the end? Seriously what is wrong with you. Today we got some of the best Starcraft out there and we should all be happy that IEM hits over 80000 viewers.

Please make the scene a bit more enjoyable for yourself.


It's better with players who have this built-in tragedy and comedy in their fandom. Like Bomber (unless you're Wintex). They take losses so much better.


You'd think Jaedong fans would be in a similar place by now instead of expecting him to win every tournament and blaming balance when he doesn't. This is the Blizzcon finals all over again.

If hero didn't 4gate/cannon rush every game except the one jaedong 6 pooled on people might respect the result a bit more. A 15 minute 'all in' sure makes people happy though thats for sure


Eh. That's not really why at all.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
February 16 2014 22:09 GMT
#6123
On February 17 2014 07:04 Holytornados wrote:
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On February 17 2014 07:03 Darkhorse wrote:
TL going to be absent a lot of JD fans for a few days I think.


The TL users probably consist of a good bit of Polt/HerO fans, to be fair =P


I love Polt too. But my heart will always belong to jaedong and the swarm. Next best thing, Go Polt!
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 16 2014 22:09 GMT
#6124
On February 17 2014 07:07 Dodgin wrote:
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On February 17 2014 07:06 Lorning wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:05 opterown wrote:
yay my ward rounds over I shod be able to catch most of the finals

You missed some shit


some things and some stuff

i don't get it
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
February 16 2014 22:09 GMT
#6125
On February 17 2014 07:08 Arkeda wrote:
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On February 17 2014 07:06 Cheren wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:04 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:03 NarutO wrote:
Why the hell are so many people negative? Yes people don't like allins, I can understand. People don't like their favorite losing, I get that. But who the hell can say that this series wasn't nailbiting and exciting till the end? Seriously what is wrong with you. Today we got some of the best Starcraft out there and we should all be happy that IEM hits over 80000 viewers.

Please make the scene a bit more enjoyable for yourself.


It's better with players who have this built-in tragedy and comedy in their fandom. Like Bomber (unless you're Wintex). They take losses so much better.


You'd think Jaedong fans would be in a similar place by now instead of expecting him to win every tournament and blaming balance when he doesn't. This is the Blizzcon finals all over again.


Oh fuck off. Even writers on TL believed Jaedong was the superior player at BlizzCon in terms of mechanics and decision making, but was defeated by purely from cheese. Do you really think sOs would have won BlizzCon if he played this matches straight up? He just exploited the power of his broken race.


Like I said, it's never Jaedong's fault when he loses, always the game's fault. Really sick of Jaedong fans in general.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 16 2014 22:09 GMT
#6126
On February 17 2014 07:09 Lorning wrote:
This was posted a couple of years ago. And can also be seen in the Polt fan club. It's quite fitting

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On October 17 2011 12:06 BatesC wrote:
On October 17 2011 07:55 Mordiford wrote:
Poor Polt, gets no credit.


Thats the thing about polt though

He's the hero Starcraft 2 deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

So we'll downplay him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero.

He's a silent badass

a watchful progamer

+ Show Spoiler +
a polt knight


someone give that guy tl+
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6127
On February 17 2014 07:06 Lumi wrote:
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On February 17 2014 06:58 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:56 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:49 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 YoloSwaggins wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 MosART wrote:
4-1 Polt!


I think Hero might cheese him out in 1-2 games...but lets hope it'll be 4-0 polt;)

4-0 is not unlikely, Rain is imo the better player and he beat him.


HerO's cheesebook is way better than Rain who is strongest in standard play.
This could get close but I really want Polt to win because I am super annoyed at HerO and protoss in general.

Even as a terran that game was so annoying to watch. Yes JD had a bad trade at HerO's natural but HerO failed 1st zealot attack, he failed 1st immortal push, in the end it was even 3 base zerg vs. 1 base protoss (until JD's third died) and he still wins because that map + forcefields = immortals with 60 kills.


1. He "failed" the first zealot attack but they traded minerals for minerals so it didn't do too much honestly.
2. He "failed" the first immortal push but once again huge trades and he kept his immortals alive
3. You don't get 60 kills on an immortal without SICK micro with the warp prism. Deserved.


Dude, if you think loading up a unit in a dropship so it doesn't die and forcefielding so that it can never be hit anyway is really hard to achieve, and if a 60 kill count immortal in that scenario really blows your mind, you really have little to no experience or expertise in what you're talking about lol. It's really easy and if it impresses you it's only relative to your own skill, rather to anything that impresses anyone GM+, or for many masters players. Seriously, Blizzard's own micro challenges are even harder than that. It's a two base all in, it's old and it's what protoss players do all the time. A career pro like herO not fucking up so badly that he lets his immortals die completely unecessarily is really a matter of expected and basic competence than it is any kind of 'incredible feat' from which we may derive a sense of 'deserves to win' based on a 'display of skill'. TBH, herO has first class micro but nothing about executing that all-in will ever demonstrate that lol.

Constantly zipping around and saving immortals while force fielding and focus firing IS difficult to achieve. It's even more difficult to achieve when you're playing against JAEDONG for god's sake, who was of course doing everything in his considerable power to prevent HerO from doing those things. The game was a constant battle that pushed both players to their limits
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6128
On February 17 2014 07:09 Squat wrote:
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On February 17 2014 07:00 redviper wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:55 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:53 Squat wrote:
It is absolutely baffling that JD still has not figured out that zerg is never supposed to be aggressive when ahead, unless you have already won. If he just falls back, makes some drones and masses hydras, hero has zero chance of winning. Again, his over-aggression kills him. And he never learns.

Fuck everything, I'll go drink some battery acid now or something.


Lol. JD is so terrible with his consistent top 4 finishes. He never learns how to play decently. Must be hard to be butthurt all the time.


I'll never understand this devotion that people bring over for JD from BW days.
Lets list all the tournaments JD has won shall we.

Asus ROG
Numericable M-House Cup
HyperX 10 year anniversary.

Its pretty lol worthy to compare him to HerO.

WCS NA S1
NASL S4
DH Winter
DH Winter
IPL Fight club
MLG Summer quals
IPL Season 3 qual 1.
FXOpen Invite

Not to mention that HerO actually plays in PL and Jaedong plays in .. well nothing really. Not even GSTL.




JD was a Brood War legend. Without people like him, this game, this tournament, this website would not exist. Hate all you want but players like JD built this fucking scene with their hard work in a cramped apartment for shit pay over years and years.

People respect him because he's fucking earned it. People like him because of what he's done, and for the awesome memories he's given them. Unless you were there, you will never understand.

That guy is an idiot for shitting on JD, but seriously you are going to far with the whine today.
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soon.Cloak
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States983 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6129
On February 17 2014 07:04 bo1b wrote:
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On February 17 2014 07:03 NarutO wrote:
Why the hell are so many people negative? Yes people don't like allins, I can understand. People don't like their favorite losing, I get that. But who the hell can say that this series wasn't nailbiting and exciting till the end? Seriously what is wrong with you. Today we got some of the best Starcraft out there and we should all be happy that IEM hits over 80000 viewers.

Please make the scene a bit more enjoyable for yourself.


Translate?
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6130
I'd love to see Idra's reaction to that game if he watched it! It would be priceless!!
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
DaedricTV
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom94 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6131
On February 17 2014 07:08 Insoleet wrote:
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On February 17 2014 07:05 redviper wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:03 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:00 redviper wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:55 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:53 Squat wrote:
It is absolutely baffling that JD still has not figured out that zerg is never supposed to be aggressive when ahead, unless you have already won. If he just falls back, makes some drones and masses hydras, hero has zero chance of winning. Again, his over-aggression kills him. And he never learns.

Fuck everything, I'll go drink some battery acid now or something.


Lol. JD is so terrible with his consistent top 4 finishes. He never learns how to play decently. Must be hard to be butthurt all the time.


I'll never understand this devotion that people bring over for JD from BW days.
Lets list all the tournaments JD has won shall we.

Asus ROG
Numericable M-House Cup
HyperX 10 year anniversary.

Its pretty lol worthy to compare him to HerO.

WCS NA S1
NASL S4
DH Winter
DH Winter
IPL Fight club
MLG Summer quals
IPL Season 3 qual 1.
FXOpen Invite

Not to mention that HerO actually plays in PL and Jaedong plays in .. well nothing really. Not even GSTL.




So basically getting 5 silvers in a row last year means he's worse then hero?



Getting out micro'd by hero after doing a 3 hatch-gas-pool opening says he is worse than Hero.

The results show that he isn't in the same league.


That was more a problem of decision making than micro. Beside flanking, zerg cant really micro against this all-in.

But sacking a good part of his army supply for 2 gateways, engaging off creep, that was huge mistakes. Not patient enough


He A-moved in like an idiot and it lost him the game.

And everyone rages at HerO :|
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6132
I'm really happy to see Hero looking strong again, he hasn't been a big championship contender since early last year. Polt winning would be cool too. IEM seems like they always luck out in getting great finals.
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
Alhoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland29 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6133
I can't understand why people complain about how liquid.hero chose to cheese after scouting 3 hatch before pool. Hell, that's cheese on itself, just an economic one.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6134
On February 17 2014 07:08 Captain Peabody wrote:
Why? Why should JD be able to make mistakes at the very highest level of competititive Starcraft versus a race and a strategy where little mistakes matter a lot...and still win? Because it's "fair"?

Because different races shouldn't be allowed to have different strengths in an asymmetrical RTS game? Because different strategies with different strengths and weaknesses shouldn't exist? Because micro players should never be able to beat macro players?

Hero won with skill. JD lost using skill, because he made mistakes. THIS IS HOW THE GAME IS SUPPOSED TO WORK!

You think hero didn't make mistakes?
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6135
On February 17 2014 07:01 robson1 wrote:
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On February 17 2014 06:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:56 YuiHirasawa wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I hope David Kim watched that game, so he can see how easy it is to micro against forcefields. Seriously, all Jaedong had to do was micro better, against those terrain changing walls that he can`t do anything against.


don't forget you just have to BAIT forcefields



Exaclty. You just have to bait ALL 40 FUCKING FORCEFIELDS that the protoss has to win.Fucking simple and not broken as shit at all.


Lol You guys. Can't you see that it's like 50% the map and 50% JD fucking up?


Actually JD played really well for the first immortal push and got alot of energy sentries. But before the Zealots did alot of damage unlike the casters were saying it. It could have been better, but he slowed the tech (JD didn't get more extractors i think) and did keep Larva and Mineral count low.
He should have gotten burrow and just defend and he would have gotten it. Shield regen is really huge in situations like this and JD could have healed up alot of Roaches after each attack push of Hero.

But every Zerg except Soulkey is doing the hardmode no heal against Immortal allins.
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6136
Please Polt win this !
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6137
I'm gonna say Polt wins 4-2. HerO has looked good in PvT this tournament though, arguably of similar level to Rain with more variety in his play
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bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6138
On February 17 2014 07:04 looken wrote:
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On February 17 2014 06:55 bluzi wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:51 Lunareste wrote:
I'm really, really upset about that game.

Something about that seems very wrong to me.

I mean it's cool that some units work well together, but immortals are too strong too begin with, pair them with a Warp Prism and they're invincible against Lair tech units.

he threw away 40 supply of roaches for 1 immortal when he went to counter attack , god knows why.... if he keeps those 20 roaches and have all his hydras , he crushes the 3rd attacks and wins.. he made a mistake and lost because of it.
it wasnt a broken startegy or anything like that , you make mistakes in this level you let your opponet win , thats it
everyone else here are just blind and calling out the build imba or what not ..... please rewatch the game and see how JD just throws the game him self (sick play from hero to capitalize)

well and i guess the two times JD held the -->all in<-- were just... well yeah, what was that? hero playing great? see if he just straight up won that game it would be a different story, but he was pushed back twice. so when he attacks and doesnt win the game, its ok, but when JD attacks and gets pushed back its a mistake by JD that cost him the game? it just seems to me that you are not very consistent with your argumentation.

be that as it may, lets hope for another great series.


well , when he hold that attacks (JD) they traded evenly and he retained the immortals , but when JD went to the counter attack , he LOST much more then he gained , and the game was close , so this tilted the advantage toward Hero .
which he took advantage off. make sure you watch again how he just throws away that supply for almost nothing.
its not like they were both max and he could remax on something different , this was his meat shield to defend those expenisve hydras he made back at home.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6139
On February 17 2014 07:08 stuchiu wrote:
I'm gone for 10 pages and the bans went up by triple the amount.

Went to watch my friend's Dota game for about 10 minutes and when about 15 pages passed, I had a feeling bans went flying.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
February 16 2014 22:10 GMT
#6140
On February 17 2014 07:10 soon.Cloak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:04 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:03 NarutO wrote:
Why the hell are so many people negative? Yes people don't like allins, I can understand. People don't like their favorite losing, I get that. But who the hell can say that this series wasn't nailbiting and exciting till the end? Seriously what is wrong with you. Today we got some of the best Starcraft out there and we should all be happy that IEM hits over 80000 viewers.

Please make the scene a bit more enjoyable for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=573HRh3qDPY

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From reddit, something like piece of shit fucking DTs
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
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