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[IEM] Cologne Day 4 - Ro8, Ro4 and Grand Finals - Page 305

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Okay calm down folks, stop balance whining or the bans are going to get long.
Killcani
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden448 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6081
Polt loves TvP LOL he certainly does not
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6082
yeah sounds like a great day of games with a bit of protoss whine
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6083
Okay, after that performance Hero has to be tired, gogo Polt!!!
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6084
On February 17 2014 07:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
So question. Who qualifies for Katowice from Cologne?

Only the Champ? The top 4? Someone help me out here.

Top 2 so HerO and Polt
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herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6085
I feel this next match will be nailbiting. Can Polt jump through the hoops set by hero?
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6086
On February 17 2014 07:06 Lumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:58 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:56 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:49 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 YoloSwaggins wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 MosART wrote:
4-1 Polt!


I think Hero might cheese him out in 1-2 games...but lets hope it'll be 4-0 polt;)

4-0 is not unlikely, Rain is imo the better player and he beat him.


HerO's cheesebook is way better than Rain who is strongest in standard play.
This could get close but I really want Polt to win because I am super annoyed at HerO and protoss in general.

Even as a terran that game was so annoying to watch. Yes JD had a bad trade at HerO's natural but HerO failed 1st zealot attack, he failed 1st immortal push, in the end it was even 3 base zerg vs. 1 base protoss (until JD's third died) and he still wins because that map + forcefields = immortals with 60 kills.


1. He "failed" the first zealot attack but they traded minerals for minerals so it didn't do too much honestly.
2. He "failed" the first immortal push but once again huge trades and he kept his immortals alive
3. You don't get 60 kills on an immortal without SICK micro with the warp prism. Deserved.


Dude, if you think loading up a unit in a dropship so it doesn't die and forcefielding so that it can never be hit anyway is really hard to achieve, and if a 60 kill count immortal in that scenario really blows your mind, you really have little to no experience or expertise in what you're talking about lol. It's really easy and if it impresses you it's only relative to your own skill, rather to anything that impresses anyone GM+, or for many masters players. Seriously, Blizzard's own micro challenges are even harder than that. It's a two base all in, it's old and it's what protoss players do all the time. A career pro like herO not fucking up so badly that he lets his immortals die completely unecessarily is really a matter of expected and basic competence than it is any kind of 'incredible feat' from which we may derive a sense of 'deserves to win' based on a 'display of skill'. TBH, herO has first class micro but nothing about executing that all-in will ever demonstrate that lol.

Spoken like a true armchair general. Holy crap.
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6087
On February 17 2014 07:05 DaedricTV wrote:
I really hope HerO wins, I really like Polt, but you guys are truly disgusting with your reactions.

I hope HerO wins just to ruin your weekend.

lol, you mad?
very illegal and very uncool
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6088
On February 17 2014 07:06 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:03 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:00 redviper wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:55 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:53 Squat wrote:
It is absolutely baffling that JD still has not figured out that zerg is never supposed to be aggressive when ahead, unless you have already won. If he just falls back, makes some drones and masses hydras, hero has zero chance of winning. Again, his over-aggression kills him. And he never learns.

Fuck everything, I'll go drink some battery acid now or something.


Lol. JD is so terrible with his consistent top 4 finishes. He never learns how to play decently. Must be hard to be butthurt all the time.


I'll never understand this devotion that people bring over for JD from BW days.
Lets list all the tournaments JD has won shall we.

Asus ROG
Numericable M-House Cup
HyperX 10 year anniversary.

Its pretty lol worthy to compare him to HerO.

WCS NA S1
NASL S4
DH Winter
DH Winter
IPL Fight club
MLG Summer quals
IPL Season 3 qual 1.
FXOpen Invite

Not to mention that HerO actually plays in PL and Jaedong plays in .. well nothing really. Not even GSTL.




So basically getting 5 silvers in a row last year means he's worse then hero?

I was going to answer that to him, but probably it isn't worth the hassle.

Guys don't think it is me ok, i am another viper :D
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6089
On February 17 2014 07:06 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:05 opterown wrote:
yay my ward rounds over I shod be able to catch most of the finals

You missed some shit


some things and some stuff
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 22:08:18
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6090
On February 17 2014 07:07 jakethesnake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
So question. Who qualifies for Katowice from Cologne?

Only the Champ? The top 4? Someone help me out here.


1st and 2nd, so HerO and Polt


Alright so now I won't be furious if HerO wins due to abusive PvT.

As much as I want HerO to win another title (he is one of my favorite Protoss players) I'd hate to see Polt get cheated out of a ticket to the big tournament on account of that. He's played some absolutely incredible Starcraft all weekend.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6091
On February 17 2014 07:06 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:04 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:03 NarutO wrote:
Why the hell are so many people negative? Yes people don't like allins, I can understand. People don't like their favorite losing, I get that. But who the hell can say that this series wasn't nailbiting and exciting till the end? Seriously what is wrong with you. Today we got some of the best Starcraft out there and we should all be happy that IEM hits over 80000 viewers.

Please make the scene a bit more enjoyable for yourself.


It's better with players who have this built-in tragedy and comedy in their fandom. Like Bomber (unless you're Wintex). They take losses so much better.


You'd think Jaedong fans would be in a similar place by now instead of expecting him to win every tournament and blaming balance when he doesn't. This is the Blizzcon finals all over again.


Yeah, it'd be nicer if this whole kong thing stuck and everyone could laugh happily about that.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
February 16 2014 22:08 GMT
#6092
On February 17 2014 07:03 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:53 seak99 wrote:
except if polt wins there goes all the recent protoss nerf considerations


You should be happy if Polt revolutionizes the metagame. Everyone else can try to study him. He thinks so you don't have to.

#Terran Revolutionist


I don't think he'll revolutionize anything , but i do like his 3 rax opening after reaper expand . It feels safe at least at defending a lot of the shit protoss can throw at you and sets you up for an aggressive mid game .
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
February 16 2014 22:08 GMT
#6093
On February 17 2014 07:05 redviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:03 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:00 redviper wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:55 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:53 Squat wrote:
It is absolutely baffling that JD still has not figured out that zerg is never supposed to be aggressive when ahead, unless you have already won. If he just falls back, makes some drones and masses hydras, hero has zero chance of winning. Again, his over-aggression kills him. And he never learns.

Fuck everything, I'll go drink some battery acid now or something.


Lol. JD is so terrible with his consistent top 4 finishes. He never learns how to play decently. Must be hard to be butthurt all the time.


I'll never understand this devotion that people bring over for JD from BW days.
Lets list all the tournaments JD has won shall we.

Asus ROG
Numericable M-House Cup
HyperX 10 year anniversary.

Its pretty lol worthy to compare him to HerO.

WCS NA S1
NASL S4
DH Winter
DH Winter
IPL Fight club
MLG Summer quals
IPL Season 3 qual 1.
FXOpen Invite

Not to mention that HerO actually plays in PL and Jaedong plays in .. well nothing really. Not even GSTL.




So basically getting 5 silvers in a row last year means he's worse then hero?



Getting out micro'd by hero after doing a 3 hatch-gas-pool opening says he is worse than Hero.

The results show that he isn't in the same league.


That was more a problem of decision making than micro. Beside flanking, zerg cant really micro against this all-in.

But sacking a good part of his army supply for 2 gateways, engaging off creep, that was huge mistakes. Not patient enough
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 16 2014 22:08 GMT
#6094
On February 17 2014 07:07 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:05 DaedricTV wrote:
I really hope HerO wins, I really like Polt, but you guys are truly disgusting with your reactions.

I hope HerO wins just to ruin your weekend.

lol, you mad?

Actually more like everyone else is mad at protoss.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 16 2014 22:08 GMT
#6095
I actually do not care who wins the final Polt would be great but hero hasn't won something big for so long. As long as the final is not a dud, I'm fine
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
February 16 2014 22:08 GMT
#6096
On February 17 2014 07:04 SmoKim wrote:
oh god

i just realised

IEM Grand Finals

100.000$ takes all

If a Protoss wins the final game with Protoss abilities

Cataclysm?

i still hope that flash shows up and wins it.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
February 16 2014 22:08 GMT
#6097
On February 17 2014 07:06 Lumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:58 Darkhorse wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:56 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:49 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 YoloSwaggins wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 MosART wrote:
4-1 Polt!


I think Hero might cheese him out in 1-2 games...but lets hope it'll be 4-0 polt;)

4-0 is not unlikely, Rain is imo the better player and he beat him.


HerO's cheesebook is way better than Rain who is strongest in standard play.
This could get close but I really want Polt to win because I am super annoyed at HerO and protoss in general.

Even as a terran that game was so annoying to watch. Yes JD had a bad trade at HerO's natural but HerO failed 1st zealot attack, he failed 1st immortal push, in the end it was even 3 base zerg vs. 1 base protoss (until JD's third died) and he still wins because that map + forcefields = immortals with 60 kills.


1. He "failed" the first zealot attack but they traded minerals for minerals so it didn't do too much honestly.
2. He "failed" the first immortal push but once again huge trades and he kept his immortals alive
3. You don't get 60 kills on an immortal without SICK micro with the warp prism. Deserved.


Dude, if you think loading up a unit in a dropship so it doesn't die and forcefielding so that it can never be hit anyway is really hard to achieve, and if a 60 kill count immortal in that scenario really blows your mind, you really have little to no experience or expertise in what you're talking about lol. It's really easy and if it impresses you it's only relative to your own skill, rather to anything that impresses anyone GM+, or for many masters players. Seriously, Blizzard's own micro challenges are even harder than that. It's a two base all in, it's old and it's what protoss players do all the time. A career pro like herO not fucking up so badly that he lets his immortals die completely unecessarily is really a matter of expected and basic competence than it is any kind of 'incredible feat' from which we may derive a sense of 'deserves to win' based on a 'display of skill'. TBH, herO has first class micro but nothing about executing that all-in will ever demonstrate that lol.


So how about you have a 60-kill immortal vs JaeDong? Exactly. Shut up and appreciate HerO or you're just some bitter zerg player?
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
February 16 2014 22:08 GMT
#6098
On February 17 2014 07:07 Snijjer wrote:
What Stephano had to say about the game (on his facebook):

Show nested quote +
Hero us is fucking impressive with that micro !!! Wow. Never give up!


because stephano is not at all a cynical balance whiner on Twitter.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 16 2014 22:08 GMT
#6099
On February 17 2014 07:06 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:04 Heartland wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:03 NarutO wrote:
Why the hell are so many people negative? Yes people don't like allins, I can understand. People don't like their favorite losing, I get that. But who the hell can say that this series wasn't nailbiting and exciting till the end? Seriously what is wrong with you. Today we got some of the best Starcraft out there and we should all be happy that IEM hits over 80000 viewers.

Please make the scene a bit more enjoyable for yourself.


It's better with players who have this built-in tragedy and comedy in their fandom. Like Bomber (unless you're Wintex). They take losses so much better.


You'd think Jaedong fans would be in a similar place by now instead of expecting him to win every tournament and blaming balance when he doesn't. This is the Blizzcon finals all over again.

If hero didn't 4gate/cannon rush every game except the one jaedong 6 pooled on people might respect the result a bit more. A 15 minute 'all in' sure makes people happy though thats for sure
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 16 2014 22:08 GMT
#6100
I'm gone for 10 pages and the bans went up by triple the amount.
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