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[IEM] Cologne Day 4 - Ro8, Ro4 and Grand Finals - Page 304

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Okay calm down folks, stop balance whining or the bans are going to get long.
THELEHGOTERRAN
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1837 Posts
February 16 2014 22:05 GMT
#6061
oh btw Kaelaris blazer > Apollo blazer

step it up Shaun
IMMVP // HIKARU NAKAMURA // DEREK JETER // GARETH BALE
eGoRama
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria1542 Posts
February 16 2014 22:05 GMT
#6062
Final TIMEEEE, go Polt. Are ppl still bullshitting about everything from the last game?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 16 2014 22:05 GMT
#6063
yay my ward rounds over I shod be able to catch most of the finals
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
February 16 2014 22:05 GMT
#6064
At least a new processor is some kind of consolation prize for Jaedong.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
February 16 2014 22:05 GMT
#6065
polt has got disss
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6066
On February 17 2014 06:58 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:56 Qwerty85 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:49 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 YoloSwaggins wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:48 MosART wrote:
4-1 Polt!


I think Hero might cheese him out in 1-2 games...but lets hope it'll be 4-0 polt;)

4-0 is not unlikely, Rain is imo the better player and he beat him.


HerO's cheesebook is way better than Rain who is strongest in standard play.
This could get close but I really want Polt to win because I am super annoyed at HerO and protoss in general.

Even as a terran that game was so annoying to watch. Yes JD had a bad trade at HerO's natural but HerO failed 1st zealot attack, he failed 1st immortal push, in the end it was even 3 base zerg vs. 1 base protoss (until JD's third died) and he still wins because that map + forcefields = immortals with 60 kills.


1. He "failed" the first zealot attack but they traded minerals for minerals so it didn't do too much honestly.
2. He "failed" the first immortal push but once again huge trades and he kept his immortals alive
3. You don't get 60 kills on an immortal without SICK micro with the warp prism. Deserved.


Dude, if you think loading up a unit in a dropship so it doesn't die and forcefielding so that it can never be hit anyway is really hard to achieve, and if a 60 kill count immortal in that scenario really blows your mind, you really have little to no experience or expertise in what you're talking about lol. It's really easy and if it impresses you it's only relative to your own skill, rather to anything that impresses anyone GM+, or for many masters players. Seriously, Blizzard's own micro challenges are even harder than that. It's a two base all in, it's old and it's what protoss players do all the time. A career pro like herO not fucking up so badly that he lets his immortals die completely unecessarily is really a matter of expected and basic competence than it is any kind of 'incredible feat' from which we may derive a sense of 'deserves to win' based on a 'display of skill'. TBH, herO has first class micro but nothing about executing that all-in will ever demonstrate that lol.
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6067
On February 17 2014 07:03 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:00 redviper wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:55 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:53 Squat wrote:
It is absolutely baffling that JD still has not figured out that zerg is never supposed to be aggressive when ahead, unless you have already won. If he just falls back, makes some drones and masses hydras, hero has zero chance of winning. Again, his over-aggression kills him. And he never learns.

Fuck everything, I'll go drink some battery acid now or something.


Lol. JD is so terrible with his consistent top 4 finishes. He never learns how to play decently. Must be hard to be butthurt all the time.


I'll never understand this devotion that people bring over for JD from BW days.
Lets list all the tournaments JD has won shall we.

Asus ROG
Numericable M-House Cup
HyperX 10 year anniversary.

Its pretty lol worthy to compare him to HerO.

WCS NA S1
NASL S4
DH Winter
DH Winter
IPL Fight club
MLG Summer quals
IPL Season 3 qual 1.
FXOpen Invite

Not to mention that HerO actually plays in PL and Jaedong plays in .. well nothing really. Not even GSTL.




So basically getting 5 silvers in a row last year means he's worse then hero?

I was going to answer that to him, but probably it isn't worth the hassle.
iglocska
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway589 Posts
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6068
On February 17 2014 07:04 lopido wrote:
eh what ?
what JD can possibly do with a cpu ?

It's like an extra $1k, no?
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6069
On February 17 2014 07:04 looken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:55 bluzi wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:51 Lunareste wrote:
I'm really, really upset about that game.

Something about that seems very wrong to me.

I mean it's cool that some units work well together, but immortals are too strong too begin with, pair them with a Warp Prism and they're invincible against Lair tech units.

he threw away 40 supply of roaches for 1 immortal when he went to counter attack , god knows why.... if he keeps those 20 roaches and have all his hydras , he crushes the 3rd attacks and wins.. he made a mistake and lost because of it.
it wasnt a broken startegy or anything like that , you make mistakes in this level you let your opponet win , thats it
everyone else here are just blind and calling out the build imba or what not ..... please rewatch the game and see how JD just throws the game him self (sick play from hero to capitalize)

well and i guess the two times JD held the -->all in<-- were just... well yeah, what was that? hero playing great? see if he just straight up won that game it would be a different story, but he was pushed back twice. so when he attacks and doesnt win the game, its ok, but when JD attacks and gets pushed back its a mistake by JD that cost him the game? it just seems to me that you are not very consistent with your argumentation.

be that as it may, lets hope for another great series.


Mistake vary in degree.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6070
On February 17 2014 07:05 opterown wrote:
yay my ward rounds over I shod be able to catch most of the finals

You missed some shit
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 22:06:38
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6071
On February 17 2014 07:04 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:03 NarutO wrote:
Why the hell are so many people negative? Yes people don't like allins, I can understand. People don't like their favorite losing, I get that. But who the hell can say that this series wasn't nailbiting and exciting till the end? Seriously what is wrong with you. Today we got some of the best Starcraft out there and we should all be happy that IEM hits over 80000 viewers.

Please make the scene a bit more enjoyable for yourself.


It's better with players who have this built-in tragedy and comedy in their fandom. Like Bomber (unless you're Wintex). They take losses so much better.


You'd think Jaedong fans would be in a similar place by now instead of expecting him to win every tournament and blaming balance when he doesn't. This is the Blizzcon finals all over again.
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6072
On February 17 2014 07:05 redviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 07:03 bo1b wrote:
On February 17 2014 07:00 redviper wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:55 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:53 Squat wrote:
It is absolutely baffling that JD still has not figured out that zerg is never supposed to be aggressive when ahead, unless you have already won. If he just falls back, makes some drones and masses hydras, hero has zero chance of winning. Again, his over-aggression kills him. And he never learns.

Fuck everything, I'll go drink some battery acid now or something.


Lol. JD is so terrible with his consistent top 4 finishes. He never learns how to play decently. Must be hard to be butthurt all the time.


I'll never understand this devotion that people bring over for JD from BW days.
Lets list all the tournaments JD has won shall we.

Asus ROG
Numericable M-House Cup
HyperX 10 year anniversary.

Its pretty lol worthy to compare him to HerO.

WCS NA S1
NASL S4
DH Winter
DH Winter
IPL Fight club
MLG Summer quals
IPL Season 3 qual 1.
FXOpen Invite

Not to mention that HerO actually plays in PL and Jaedong plays in .. well nothing really. Not even GSTL.




So basically getting 5 silvers in a row last year means he's worse then hero?



Getting out micro'd by hero after doing a 3 hatch-gas-pool opening says he is worse than Hero.

The results show that he isn't in the same league.


how can you have an epic 5 game series with someone and not be in the same league. come on man.
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6073
I don't care what you say about balance, that last game was fantastic!
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6074
So question. Who qualifies for Katowice from Cologne?

Only the Champ? The top 4? Someone help me out here.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6075
On February 17 2014 07:05 opterown wrote:
yay my ward rounds over I shod be able to catch most of the finals


and if it is like any one of the other PvT series we've had today, it is going to be epic.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 16 2014 22:06 GMT
#6076
woah wtf?! I left to go take a shower figuring Jaedong had that last game in the bag, and come back to see HerO somehow pulled that one out? wut
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jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6077
On February 17 2014 07:06 Vindicare605 wrote:
So question. Who qualifies for Katowice from Cologne?

Only the Champ? The top 4? Someone help me out here.


1st and 2nd, so HerO and Polt
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Woizit
Profile Joined June 2011
801 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6078
Come on guys, it's natural for people to be upset that the player they support lost in such fashion.

If you want the thread to be more positive, shout out loud for HerO instead of burning each other.
Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands656 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6079
On February 17 2014 07:00 redviper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 06:55 robson1 wrote:
On February 17 2014 06:53 Squat wrote:
It is absolutely baffling that JD still has not figured out that zerg is never supposed to be aggressive when ahead, unless you have already won. If he just falls back, makes some drones and masses hydras, hero has zero chance of winning. Again, his over-aggression kills him. And he never learns.

Fuck everything, I'll go drink some battery acid now or something.


Lol. JD is so terrible with his consistent top 4 finishes. He never learns how to play decently. Must be hard to be butthurt all the time.


I'll never understand this devotion that people bring over for JD from BW days.
Lets list all the tournaments JD has won shall we.

Asus ROG
Numericable M-House Cup
HyperX 10 year anniversary.

Its pretty lol worthy to compare him to HerO.

WCS NA S1
NASL S4
DH Winter
DH Winter
IPL Fight club
MLG Summer quals
IPL Season 3 qual 1.
FXOpen Invite

Not to mention that HerO actually plays in PL and Jaedong plays in .. well nothing really. Not even GSTL.





I like how you pad that list with two qualifiers & a fight club win, and conveniently leave out all the semi-final/final finishes for a player who consistently reaches them (over 10 in a year) or that JD did all of this (besides HyperX) in one year where HerO did that over 3-4 years.

It's not just devotion from BW, JD is actually one of the best zergs from 2013 in his own right, and one of the most accessible pros at that. I get why people like or dislike him, but discrediting him as simply garnering attention from BW is just silly. Flash had a bigger fanbase going into SC2 and it's pretty safe to say JD's fanbase now eclipses Flash's.
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Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
February 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#6080
What Stephano had to say about the game (on his facebook):

Hero us is fucking impressive with that micro !!! Wow. Never give up!
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