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On February 14 2014 00:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:10 Heartland wrote:On February 14 2014 00:07 Ramiz1989 wrote:On February 14 2014 00:00 KalWarkov wrote:On February 13 2014 23:56 FeyFey wrote:On February 13 2014 23:53 sparklyresidue wrote:On February 13 2014 23:52 Topin wrote:
is the phoenix upgrade really necessary for the game? i feel that phoenix do the job ok w/o and the +range is an overkill T_T Kinda felt that way watching this game too Phoenix got a range increase from the get go in HotS, so the Range upgrade is super strong now. I think they will have to overwork this a bit, since Phoenix can pretty much fight Corrupters as well. no, they cant oO i mean they can if you have twice as many and you have the upgrade done, but its not like they are cheaper in any way. Hasu started to produce additional phoenix, a 2nd stargate and the fleet beacon well before he scouted it. that was the main reason for tha game to be like that What do you mean they can't? Yes, if you have the upgrade Phoenixes outrange the Corruptors, and are faster and shoot while moving. If Phoenixes have the upgrade, the only way to counter them is to pray for Protoss to fuck up and hit a good Fungal so you can kill them, no Zerg flying army can match them. This is not me whining about Phoenixes, a lot of things in SC2 are like that as well and you always have to have hard counters against certain units than the opponent is making hard counters to your hard counters etc. I hope that they change at least something for LotV. There are things that are an issue in sc2. Phoenix vs Corruptor is not one of them. It's entirely dependent on the game beforehand. If your base is camped with muta and corruptor while you try to kite with your phoenix it doesn't matter if the Zerg army can't catch it - because it doesn't have to. The corruptors are a meat shield for the mutas who do the damage. This is really not a problem in the game because it all depends on how things have unfolded beforehand. Sorry but that is very narrow way of looking at it. Yes, if you are in base, you don't have to catch the Phoenixes but Phoenixes will just keep hit and running back and forth and will kill your units if you don't do anything. I can see how you as a Protoss player think that it is fine when you get big number of Phoenixes with the upgrade to counter whole Zerg air arsenal. Hitting perfect Fungals requires for Protoss player to make a mistake with his Phoenixes, and even then, if you are having ground units such as Archons, Stalkers or with few Void Rays your Muta + Corruptor ball won't be doing much.
My entire point here is that these situations depend on what's happened before. Economy, bases, army compositions, supply, upgrades and positioning. It's really different to fight five Phoenix vs five Corruptors, or fifteen vs fifteen Corruptors and Mutas, to fight over open space, in a base, close to an army or far away from it. It seems really hard for Zerg to fight in the open, away from reinforcements and away from bases, given that there is enough of a count of Phoenix vs air. But it's also really tough to fight in other situations with Phoenix vs Zerg air. So I think it comes down a lot to those situations I mentioned before, and also to micro. Which is why I think it's fine.
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On February 14 2014 00:13 Doublemint wrote:Sure he can. However, he is up against the BossToss :p
Looks good, so far xD
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You have to be able to appreciate PvP in that instance. Very well done by Stardust there.
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On February 14 2014 00:12 deacon.frost wrote:I love this - corruptor is dedicated anti-air unit therefore it has to do well against phoenix. And what the hell is phoenix? Dedicated anti-ground unit or what? It's wonderful time 
I don't agree with that statement, but you can say that Phoenix is light anti-air unit which is also has great harassment potential. Corruptor is just heavy anti-air unit that is tanky and is just used for anti-air or if you want to make Brood Lords, unlike Phoenixes.
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On February 14 2014 00:19 Niko_Thien wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:13 Doublemint wrote:On February 14 2014 00:12 Niko_Thien wrote:
I think Stardust can take it. Sure he can. However, he is up against the BossToss :p Looks good, so far xD
Quick and dirty game! COME ON MC, NOT LIKE THIS!
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On February 14 2014 00:19 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:19 Niko_Thien wrote:On February 14 2014 00:13 Doublemint wrote:On February 14 2014 00:12 Niko_Thien wrote:
I think Stardust can take it. Sure he can. However, he is up against the BossToss :p Looks good, so far xD Quick and dirty game! COME ON MC, NOT LIKE THIS!
Let's see who is the better cheeser :D
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On February 14 2014 00:19 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:19 Niko_Thien wrote:On February 14 2014 00:13 Doublemint wrote:On February 14 2014 00:12 Niko_Thien wrote:
I think Stardust can take it. Sure he can. However, he is up against the BossToss :p Looks good, so far xD Quick and dirty game! COME ON MC, NOT LIKE THIS!
Quick and dirty is usually MC's style 
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btw nerds, what does 'key drop' refer to on a keyboard?
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On February 14 2014 00:18 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:On February 14 2014 00:10 Heartland wrote:On February 14 2014 00:07 Ramiz1989 wrote:On February 14 2014 00:00 KalWarkov wrote:On February 13 2014 23:56 FeyFey wrote:On February 13 2014 23:53 sparklyresidue wrote:On February 13 2014 23:52 Topin wrote:
is the phoenix upgrade really necessary for the game? i feel that phoenix do the job ok w/o and the +range is an overkill T_T Kinda felt that way watching this game too Phoenix got a range increase from the get go in HotS, so the Range upgrade is super strong now. I think they will have to overwork this a bit, since Phoenix can pretty much fight Corrupters as well. no, they cant oO i mean they can if you have twice as many and you have the upgrade done, but its not like they are cheaper in any way. Hasu started to produce additional phoenix, a 2nd stargate and the fleet beacon well before he scouted it. that was the main reason for tha game to be like that What do you mean they can't? Yes, if you have the upgrade Phoenixes outrange the Corruptors, and are faster and shoot while moving. If Phoenixes have the upgrade, the only way to counter them is to pray for Protoss to fuck up and hit a good Fungal so you can kill them, no Zerg flying army can match them. This is not me whining about Phoenixes, a lot of things in SC2 are like that as well and you always have to have hard counters against certain units than the opponent is making hard counters to your hard counters etc. I hope that they change at least something for LotV. There are things that are an issue in sc2. Phoenix vs Corruptor is not one of them. It's entirely dependent on the game beforehand. If your base is camped with muta and corruptor while you try to kite with your phoenix it doesn't matter if the Zerg army can't catch it - because it doesn't have to. The corruptors are a meat shield for the mutas who do the damage. This is really not a problem in the game because it all depends on how things have unfolded beforehand. Sorry but that is very narrow way of looking at it. Yes, if you are in base, you don't have to catch the Phoenixes but Phoenixes will just keep hit and running back and forth and will kill your units if you don't do anything. I can see how you as a Protoss player think that it is fine when you get big number of Phoenixes with the upgrade to counter whole Zerg air arsenal. Hitting perfect Fungals requires for Protoss player to make a mistake with his Phoenixes, and even then, if you are having ground units such as Archons, Stalkers or with few Void Rays your Muta + Corruptor ball won't be doing much. My entire point here is that these situations depend on what's happened before. Economy, bases, army compositions, supply, upgrades and positioning. It's really different to fight five Phoenix vs five Corruptors, or fifteen vs fifteen Corruptors and Mutas, to fight over open space, in a base, close to an army or far away from it. It seems really hard for Zerg to fight in the open, away from reinforcements and away from bases, given that there is enough of a count of Phoenix vs air. But it's also really tough to fight in other situations with Phoenix vs Zerg air. So I think it comes down a lot to those situations I mentioned before, and also to micro. Which is why I think it's fine.
Of course it depends from situation to situation, but I don't think that it is fine. Generally speaking, Mutas + Corruptors are too good against Phoenixes and when Phoenix upgrade is finished, then it is the other way around. There is supposed to be some middle ground where you actually micro your units and those with better micro win. Not unable to do anything when your Phoenixes have the upgrade or when they don't, I just hold position with Corruptors and Phoenixes are close to useless.
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On February 14 2014 00:20 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:19 Doublemint wrote:On February 14 2014 00:19 Niko_Thien wrote:On February 14 2014 00:13 Doublemint wrote:On February 14 2014 00:12 Niko_Thien wrote:
I think Stardust can take it. Sure he can. However, he is up against the BossToss :p Looks good, so far xD Quick and dirty game! COME ON MC, NOT LIKE THIS! Quick and dirty is usually MC's style
Indeed it is!
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SHOW HIM HELL MC! (Shamelessly taken from the TL mainpage)
//edit: my goodness... GG Stardust. MC just got cockblocked. Badly.
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OH MY GOD STARDUST HOW THE HELL
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Oh MC. 
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Stardust playing PvP to my liking.
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On February 14 2014 00:27 NovaMB wrote:
lol PvP.
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On February 14 2014 00:27 Heartland wrote:????
I was gone for 2 minutes and it was over
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