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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24420 Posts
February 13 2014 15:36 GMT
#461
On February 14 2014 00:34 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 00:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Wait, Monchi in a training facility? I THOUGHT HE RETIRED

SC2 lives! (maybe)

Nope. It was Knowme, Socke, Hasuobs and Monty


Oh D:

Austria has terrible representation in SC2 since he retired D:
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
eusoc
Profile Joined November 2011
Italy82 Posts
February 13 2014 15:36 GMT
#462
On February 14 2014 00:23 Ramiz1989 wrote:
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On February 14 2014 00:18 Heartland wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:10 Heartland wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:07 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:00 KalWarkov wrote:
On February 13 2014 23:56 FeyFey wrote:
On February 13 2014 23:53 sparklyresidue wrote:
On February 13 2014 23:52 Topin wrote:
is the phoenix upgrade really necessary for the game? i feel that phoenix do the job ok w/o and the +range is an overkill T_T

Kinda felt that way watching this game too


Phoenix got a range increase from the get go in HotS, so the Range upgrade is super strong now. I think they will have to overwork this a bit, since Phoenix can pretty much fight Corrupters as well.


no, they cant oO
i mean they can if you have twice as many and you have the upgrade done, but its not like they are cheaper in any way.

Hasu started to produce additional phoenix, a 2nd stargate and the fleet beacon well before he scouted it. that was the main reason for tha game to be like that

What do you mean they can't? Yes, if you have the upgrade Phoenixes outrange the Corruptors, and are faster and shoot while moving. If Phoenixes have the upgrade, the only way to counter them is to pray for Protoss to fuck up and hit a good Fungal so you can kill them, no Zerg flying army can match them.

This is not me whining about Phoenixes, a lot of things in SC2 are like that as well and you always have to have hard counters against certain units than the opponent is making hard counters to your hard counters etc. I hope that they change at least something for LotV.


There are things that are an issue in sc2. Phoenix vs Corruptor is not one of them. It's entirely dependent on the game beforehand. If your base is camped with muta and corruptor while you try to kite with your phoenix it doesn't matter if the Zerg army can't catch it - because it doesn't have to. The corruptors are a meat shield for the mutas who do the damage. This is really not a problem in the game because it all depends on how things have unfolded beforehand.

Sorry but that is very narrow way of looking at it. Yes, if you are in base, you don't have to catch the Phoenixes but Phoenixes will just keep hit and running back and forth and will kill your units if you don't do anything. I can see how you as a Protoss player think that it is fine when you get big number of Phoenixes with the upgrade to counter whole Zerg air arsenal.

Hitting perfect Fungals requires for Protoss player to make a mistake with his Phoenixes, and even then, if you are having ground units such as Archons, Stalkers or with few Void Rays your Muta + Corruptor ball won't be doing much.


My entire point here is that these situations depend on what's happened before. Economy, bases, army compositions, supply, upgrades and positioning. It's really different to fight five Phoenix vs five Corruptors, or fifteen vs fifteen Corruptors and Mutas, to fight over open space, in a base, close to an army or far away from it. It seems really hard for Zerg to fight in the open, away from reinforcements and away from bases, given that there is enough of a count of Phoenix vs air. But it's also really tough to fight in other situations with Phoenix vs Zerg air. So I think it comes down a lot to those situations I mentioned before, and also to micro. Which is why I think it's fine.

Of course it depends from situation to situation, but I don't think that it is fine. Generally speaking, Mutas + Corruptors are too good against Phoenixes and when Phoenix upgrade is finished, then it is the other way around. There is supposed to be some middle ground where you actually micro your units and those with better micro win. Not unable to do anything when your Phoenixes have the upgrade or when they don't, I just hold position with Corruptors and Phoenixes are close to useless.


It's actually pretty difficult to take advantage of the 1 range difference, as corruptor move slower than mutas, you need to keep the right speed. And a single fungal catching phoenixes is gg. With muta/corruptor you also have more map control and more economy. Just watch soO vs sOs on alterzim, sOs couldn't get enough phoenixes nor pressure soO expanding nor expanding himself.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 13 2014 15:37 GMT
#463
On February 14 2014 00:35 Darkhoarse wrote:
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On February 14 2014 00:34 GumBa wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:32 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:31 GumBa wrote:
I amthe saddest person ever

Why are you sad Gumba.

Sunday canceled and saturday to unless I win a raffle...

Wait what? Why?

They sold out on sunday tickets and sold more saturday tickets than they had so now sunday is completly gone and saturday the last tickets are in a raffle....
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 15:38:52
February 13 2014 15:38 GMT
#464
Hasuobs is doing Dear's build, that practice with Dear in action!
It's good to be back
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 13 2014 15:38 GMT
#465
On February 14 2014 00:37 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 00:35 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:34 GumBa wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:32 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:31 GumBa wrote:
I amthe saddest person ever

Why are you sad Gumba.

Sunday canceled and saturday to unless I win a raffle...

Wait what? Why?

They sold out on sunday tickets and sold more saturday tickets than they had so now sunday is completly gone and saturday the last tickets are in a raffle....

Awwww TT
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 13 2014 15:42 GMT
#466
On February 14 2014 00:38 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 00:37 GumBa wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:35 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:34 GumBa wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:32 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:31 GumBa wrote:
I amthe saddest person ever

Why are you sad Gumba.

Sunday canceled and saturday to unless I win a raffle...

Wait what? Why?

They sold out on sunday tickets and sold more saturday tickets than they had so now sunday is completly gone and saturday the last tickets are in a raffle....

Awwww TT

it's bad for you gumba but it's good for sc2 YEAH
#Alive
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 13 2014 15:43 GMT
#467
Oh they already have the jackets at this event nice

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 13 2014 15:43 GMT
#468
On February 14 2014 00:38 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 00:37 GumBa wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:35 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:34 GumBa wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:32 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:31 GumBa wrote:
I amthe saddest person ever

Why are you sad Gumba.

Sunday canceled and saturday to unless I win a raffle...

Wait what? Why?

They sold out on sunday tickets and sold more saturday tickets than they had so now sunday is completly gone and saturday the last tickets are in a raffle....

Awwww TT

Srsly fml... I can only order tickets when I know the groups due to me living so far away and the groups were released so late this time.... Fuck fuck fuck weekend ruined
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 13 2014 15:44 GMT
#469
Well that was anti-climactic
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
vjcamarena
Profile Joined October 2013
Spain493 Posts
February 13 2014 15:44 GMT
#470
On February 14 2014 00:43 Musicus wrote:
Oh they already have the jackets at this event nice

https://twitter.com/carni/status/433989406035574785

Those are some amazing jackets!
Mvp and ForGG! - Vortix FTW - Never forget Lucifron
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 13 2014 15:44 GMT
#471
On February 14 2014 00:43 Musicus wrote:
Oh they already have the jackets at this event nice

https://twitter.com/carni/status/433989406035574785

Those jackets do look pretty nice.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-13 15:45:09
February 13 2014 15:44 GMT
#472
I see you guys talking about tickets, the venue for the proper tournament will not be the ESL studio? Or I am just dumb?
It's good to be back
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
February 13 2014 15:46 GMT
#473
On February 14 2014 00:42 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 00:38 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:37 GumBa wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:35 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:34 GumBa wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:32 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:31 GumBa wrote:
I amthe saddest person ever

Why are you sad Gumba.

Sunday canceled and saturday to unless I win a raffle...

Wait what? Why?

They sold out on sunday tickets and sold more saturday tickets than they had so now sunday is completly gone and saturday the last tickets are in a raffle....

Awwww TT

it's bad for you gumba but it's good for sc2 YEAH
#Alive

who will support inno know? Bet it wont be full on saturday
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
February 13 2014 15:46 GMT
#474
why is hasuobs so good... damn, EU represent
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 13 2014 15:46 GMT
#475
On February 14 2014 00:46 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 00:42 Undead1993 wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:38 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:37 GumBa wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:35 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:34 GumBa wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:32 Darkhoarse wrote:
On February 14 2014 00:31 GumBa wrote:
I amthe saddest person ever

Why are you sad Gumba.

Sunday canceled and saturday to unless I win a raffle...

Wait what? Why?

They sold out on sunday tickets and sold more saturday tickets than they had so now sunday is completly gone and saturday the last tickets are in a raffle....

Awwww TT

it's bad for you gumba but it's good for sc2 YEAH
#Alive

who will support inno know? Bet it wont be full on saturday

Sneak in. Maximum passion move.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 13 2014 15:47 GMT
#476
On February 14 2014 00:46 Noonius wrote:
why is hasuobs so good... damn, EU represent

Not good enough to repeat his results against San
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
February 13 2014 15:47 GMT
#477
Mmmmh Dear lost to San at ASUS ROG and I have heard he practiced with Hasu before this tournament, it might explain why Hasu seems to have San's number. Furthermore he knew from the get go that he had to play San
It's good to be back
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 13 2014 15:48 GMT
#478
On February 14 2014 00:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2014 00:46 Noonius wrote:
why is hasuobs so good... damn, EU represent

Not good enough to repeat his results against San

Whoops it's 1-1. Thought it was 1-0 to San.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 13 2014 15:48 GMT
#479
On February 14 2014 00:47 Lazzi wrote:
Mmmmh Dear lost to San at ASUS ROG and I have heard he practiced with Hasu before this tournament, it might explain why Hasu seems to have San's number. Furthermore he knew from the get go that he had to play San

Yeah I bet Hasuobs prepared specifically for San, which makes it nice for him that he got to play him twice.
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2216 Posts
February 13 2014 15:48 GMT
#480
I can't watch the games, but San beat Dear at ASUSU ROG and now can't beat Hasuobs?
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