On February 05 2014 19:36 bo1b wrote: Can we just have a gentlemans agreement to not go skytoss or swarmhosts? So much more entertaining that way.
Problem is without swarmhost, zergs are pretty much left with a surprise muta switch in mid to late game. Because once P gets on 4 bases, you just cannot match a stalker/colo/HT army, get tempest for BLs and immortals for Ultras.
Idk man, hyun has had some really good games vs stalker/colo/ht which don't use swarmhosts.
Was that against foreign tosses? Because he has been getting owned by korean protosses lately. Hyun also played a lot hydra/roach vs bio tank. He gets by because of his macro and just keeps trading and overwhelms with production. But against the good players, they never let him snowball and his comps don't work out in the late game.
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On February 05 2014 19:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I had an idea not too long ago, what if carriers did extra damage vs bio units? It would help deal with locusts, but unlike every other balance patch blizz makes wouldn't break the early game.
As a terran I dunno how I feel about that. I had enough pain with carriers in BW.
When's the last time you saw Carriers in PvT in SC2? Mine was probably during the beta.
MC did it on CK during a... Dreamhack, maybe? In WoL.
Yeah, MC did a 2 base carrier all in vs Kas on CK and won. I still use that build today and beat masters terrans with it. It's hilarious.
On February 05 2014 19:43 Prugelhugel wrote: Ok, I will explain to you why SH is not imba and it was just wp by DRG: 1st: herO took the gold with no AoE tech while DRG already had his infestation pit going up. ->Tremendous advantage for DRG 2nd: DRG was not MASSING SHs like all foreigners (except some like the mighty Stephano) like to do -> herOs harrass was easily fend of with roaches 3rd: DRG was teching instead of being greedy -> herO was not aiming for a fast fourth or fifth, he was just sitting there and defending his third, giving DRG another advantage
I know, the whole "FREE UNIT SO IMBA" idea may be satisfying to cope with your own disability to win on ladder, but seriously, stop bitching around here, it ruins the experience for us people which like to enjoy a good show.
If you search for a platform to discuss balance the way you try it (with: "PLEASE BLIZZLORD, FIX SWARMHOSTS") I can advice you to consult this forum.
It's not that drg won while playing worse or w/e, it's that it's just an insanely boring.
On February 05 2014 19:33 Dodgin wrote: these kinds of games @_@
Games like that are why if I wanna introduce people to startcraft, i'll never show them PvZ.
Seen Code S line-up this season?
U mean Code P's lineup? Yeah I saw it.
I have watched like 2-3 season with 20+ Terrans. That shit was way worse than anything that can happen this season, at least P and Z numbers are somewhat similiar, whereas in the gomtvt days it was literally only terran. I'd much rather sit through 500 swarm host games and PvPs than watching tank/bio vs tank/bio.
I'd truly like to know how do you come to like SH / Deathball 20 minutes camping more than TvT. Yes there were boring TvTs (when tank viking by both players), but come on.... TvT back then was WAAAAAY more interesting than PvZ now. Matter of taste, but then I just can't understand how do you get entertained, it just doesn't compute with my personal conception of "Entertainment"
Well first and for most I do prefer anything over bio/tank vs bio/tank. However, I do agree that mech vs bio is way way better than SH games ever will be. Well it depends on the kind of SH game that goes on. If Z continuously tries to pick of P units with every wave while P tried to abuse the immobility and harrasses everywhere (we barely see this atm, but it'll come) I really enjoy watching it, when it's a foreigner building static D and sitting on his ass while the foreign P does the same I obv don't enjoy it much.
Also I actually always watch every single game that goes down in a Korean league so I guess I just got fed up on watching tvt 2 years ago and never really got over it.
On February 05 2014 19:33 Dodgin wrote: these kinds of games @_@
Games like that are why if I wanna introduce people to startcraft, i'll never show them PvZ.
Seen Code S line-up this season?
U mean Code P's lineup? Yeah I saw it.
I have watched like 2-3 season with 20+ Terrans. That shit was way worse than anything that can happen this season, at least P and Z numbers are somewhat similiar, whereas in the gomtvt days it was literally only terran. I'd much rather sit through 500 swarm host games and PvPs than watching tank/bio vs tank/bio.
I'd truly like to know how do you come to like SH / Deathball 20 minutes camping more than TvT. Yes there were boring TvTs (when tank viking by both players), but come on.... TvT back then was WAAAAAY more interesting than PvZ now. Matter of taste, but then I just can't understand how do you get entertained by SH games, it just doesn't compute with my personal conception of "Entertainment"
Both suck, but I agree with him. At least we have some race diversity this time xd.
On February 05 2014 19:36 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I had an idea not too long ago, what if carriers did extra damage vs bio units? It would help deal with locusts, but unlike every other balance patch blizz makes wouldn't break the early game.
As a terran I dunno how I feel about that. I had enough pain with carriers in BW.
It wouldn't really affect anything in the early game, and carriers aren't nearly as microable as they were in BW so they'd be really easy to pick off with vikings. They'd probably not get used all that much vs terran.
It's an interesting idea, but I dunno how much it would help. Its such a big commitment to go from toss ground to air and the swarm hosts would be keeping the pressure on the whole time. Be interesting to see in a game. WHY don't you just give the carriers +20 damage vs locusts/free units?
On February 05 2014 19:36 bo1b wrote: Can we just have a gentlemans agreement to not go skytoss or swarmhosts? So much more entertaining that way.
Problem is without swarmhost, zergs are pretty much left with a surprise muta switch in mid to late game. Because once P gets on 4 bases, you just cannot match a stalker/colo/HT army, get tempest for BLs and immortals for Ultras.
Idk man, hyun has had some really good games vs stalker/colo/ht which don't use swarmhosts.
Was that against foreign tosses? Because he has been getting owned by korean protosses lately. Hyun also played a lot hydra/roach vs bio tank. He gets by because of his macro and just keeps trading and overwhelms with production. But against the good players, they never let him snowball and his comps don't work out in the late game.
On February 05 2014 19:43 Prugelhugel wrote: Ok, I will explain to you why SH is not imba and it was just wp by DRG: 1st: herO took the gold with no AoE tech while DRG already had his infestation pit going up. ->Tremendous advantage for DRG 2nd: DRG was not MASSING SHs like all foreigners (except some like the mighty Stephano) like to do -> herOs harrass was easily fend of with roaches 3rd: DRG was teching instead of being greedy -> herO was not aiming for a fast fourth or fifth, he was just sitting there and defending his third, giving DRG another advantage
I know, the whole "FREE UNIT SO IMBA" idea may be satisfying to cope with your own disability to win on ladder, but seriously, stop bitching around here, it ruins the experience for us people which like to enjoy a good show.
If you search for a platform to discuss balance the way you try it (with: "PLEASE BLIZZLORD, FIX SWARMHOSTS") I can advice you to consult this forum.
We aren't arguing that SH are imba and should be changed, we are arguing its a boring ass unit used in a boring way and it leads games into 20-30 min split map stalemates that are awful to watch.
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