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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10129 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 00:14:43
February 09 2014 00:14 GMT
#461
who ever said jumanji had top 3 PvT now have my respect
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 09 2014 00:15 GMT
#462
On February 09 2014 09:12 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 09:09 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 09 2014 09:07 stuchiu wrote:
On February 09 2014 09:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 09 2014 08:57 stuchiu wrote:
On February 09 2014 08:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 09 2014 08:55 Paljas wrote:
On February 09 2014 08:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On February 09 2014 08:45 Paljas wrote:
On February 09 2014 08:44 Yorkie wrote:
[quote]
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly

the nexus first was blind too, no?


There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.

or he could just go gateway first


Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).


I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?


The difference is that PvP is about flipping coins and you can flip them responsibly or carelessly.


But how would we ever know the difference when the results produce the same effects?


The difference is higher variance with irresponsible flipping.


But given the same time periods, they both have extremely similar PvP winrates and even though Naniwa has a higher winrate that can be easily explained with the fact that he also had much softer opponents than Duckdeok.


That's because Korean coinflips are more refined, whether they're responsible or not. There are harsher counters with Korean coinflipping but it also allows much better defense vs non-Korean coinflips (because these are imperfect)
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14463 Posts
February 09 2014 00:15 GMT
#463
Grubby loses btw.

" Thanks Blizzard for this late game "
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 09 2014 00:15 GMT
#464
On February 09 2014 09:14 Topin wrote:
who ever said jumanji had top 3 PvT now have my respect

Meet stuchiu, also known as the Lord of 10 pools.
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
February 09 2014 00:16 GMT
#465
2014 - The year of jjakji.
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
February 09 2014 00:16 GMT
#466
Yea hydraaaa
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
February 09 2014 00:16 GMT
#467
Good trade for HerO. And viOLet going into swarmhost...
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
February 09 2014 00:17 GMT
#468
On February 09 2014 09:07 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 09:05 Yorkie wrote:
On February 09 2014 09:02 Beta2k wrote:
On February 09 2014 08:58 Aeromi wrote:
It's off topic but look at this game : http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Grubby

haha thx. looks promising..

Update: Grubby has 30k minerals and 13k gas

First time I see him that mad.


The 1h 30min push took Grubby by surprise there.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
February 09 2014 00:18 GMT
#469
Another nice quote by Grubby:
"Let's evaluate if swarmhost will maybe become a problem to the metagame in the near future."

It's pretty bad if even Grubby is unhappy.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 09 2014 00:19 GMT
#470
On February 09 2014 09:15 Aeromi wrote:
Grubby loses btw.

" Thanks Blizzard for this late game "

Is Grubby in this tournament? Sorry if I'm a little stupid today, kind of a hectic day.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 09 2014 00:19 GMT
#471
On February 09 2014 09:19 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 09:15 Aeromi wrote:
Grubby loses btw.

" Thanks Blizzard for this late game "

Is Grubby in this tournament? Sorry if I'm a little stupid today, kind of a hectic day.


just streaming
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 00:21:07
February 09 2014 00:20 GMT
#472
On February 09 2014 09:19 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 09:15 Aeromi wrote:
Grubby loses btw.

" Thanks Blizzard for this late game "

Is Grubby in this tournament? Sorry if I'm a little stupid today, kind of a hectic day.

Nop, he's streaming his ladder. He met a Zerg, he had 200 of army and managed to lose because he lost his patience.

He complains a lot about this MU during this game.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 00:22:15
February 09 2014 00:20 GMT
#473
On February 09 2014 09:07 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 09:05 Yorkie wrote:
On February 09 2014 09:02 Beta2k wrote:
On February 09 2014 08:58 Aeromi wrote:
It's off topic but look at this game : http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Grubby

haha thx. looks promising..

Update: Grubby has 30k minerals and 13k gas

First time I see him that mad.

Haha "I got the sickest army possible, but what should I do?"
Story of my Terran life, everytime I try to kill protoss, even when I am miles ahead (upgrades, bases, army) and he gets 2-3 good stroms of
Haha so much fun, when he said "Thx Blizzard, for the great lategame matchup, I am sure I could have done some things better, like Zealot harassements etc" pointing out that there is a limit of what you could do against the opponent.

As long as Blizzard says game is balanced if winrate is approx 50%, there is no reason to talk about it anymore, cause if these 50% are reached with different effort or game understanding... well we know where this discussion would lead. Glad to see even polite Grubby getting mad

I like to add, that after the fungal change, lotsof zergs said, that fungal is now useless...
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 09 2014 00:21 GMT
#474
Eeeeew, swarmhost lategame D:
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27469 Posts
February 09 2014 00:21 GMT
#475
God, please work some magic HerO. I like viOLet but god, swarm hosts....
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Niko_Thien
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany2671 Posts
February 09 2014 00:23 GMT
#476
Bwahahahaha dat KnowMe video on Taketv :D :D
@Niko_Thien on twitter!
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 09 2014 00:23 GMT
#477
On February 09 2014 09:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
God, please work some magic HerO. I like viOLet but god, swarm hosts....

You don't like watching free units waddling awkwardly into lazors for 75 minutes!?! What do you think this is supposed to be, FUN?!?!
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 09 2014 00:24 GMT
#478
HerO gets the hive! :D that's a start!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
February 09 2014 00:25 GMT
#479
I think HerO has a good shot at doing this!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 00:35:36
February 09 2014 00:25 GMT
#480
On February 09 2014 09:20 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 09:19 Squat wrote:
On February 09 2014 09:15 Aeromi wrote:
Grubby loses btw.

" Thanks Blizzard for this late game "

Is Grubby in this tournament? Sorry if I'm a little stupid today, kind of a hectic day.

Nop, he's streaming his ladder. He met a Zerg, he had 200 of army and managed to lose because he lost his patience.

He complains a lot about this MU during this game.

it really IS frustrating, if it isn't possible to break an opponent although you have 75% of the map and ressources, but there are spells, preventing you from the win.
He coulnd't have won that game with the composition, he would always have gotten pulled by vipers or fungaled to death. He lost his army like 5-6 times. And carriers, void rays etc arent cheap enough to remake them forever, he was running low on gas (had "only" 2k left in the end) while the opponent just had to rebuild energy.

Before I uninstalled Hots recently, I really said to myself it is just me who isn't good enough, and I need better engagements, better micro better this and that and I will be fine vs Toss again (as Terran, playing random these days).
Was on 6 bases, toss on 3, attacked from different angles, EMP (didnt hit enough I guess, but wasn't possible better for me, got stormed, feedbacked etc) had vikings in the air vs colossi, upgrade lead, etc. splitting my MMM on the ground, controling medivacs spererately so they keep healing.... After building up the game and sniping toss bases throughout it all the time (without losing anything) for 20 mins, it came down to this, I lost. Storms, Lasers, Chargelots... and then he just walked into my base (which i coulndt hold although I had like 8 Bunkers ready). left a very happy oponent behind. Rewatching and analyzing the replay showed me: could have done it better if I am a pro, but I am not. Checking the stats at the end showed him having like a third of apm, watching the fight in the end, where i was splitting, pulling, sniping, emping, focusing etc and he was basically a-moving and dropping good stroms...
Dunno I feel for everyone who has these engagements in sc2. doesnt matter which matchup. I am not saying something is imba, just a pain to play and to watch sometimes.
And it is frustrating to watch Tournament these days: I like all the matchups with terran in it, dunno, maybe because I started with it, or it is the most action to me, even TvT sometimes. And now there are less and less Ts and small spellcaster armies win the whole time. Balanced? Yeah ok it is maybe, but not so entertaining to watch as some good old BW games or the best Matchup IMO the TvZ
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