With IEM Katowice World championships just around the corner, there will be 3 Regional Qualifiers held to send 3 players on an all expense paid trip to the Championships to compete for the $100,000 grand prize! This qualifier will send One from the Americas regional server to the event.
Premium Qualifier Cup Restrictions
You must have an active NESL Premium membership. More information here ($5.95 for cheapest 30 day option)
There is no Region Requirement! You can live anywhere in the world and participate!
All games are played on Americas Stacraft 2 server regardless of location!
Winner recives a spot in IEM Katowice!
You must be at least 16 years of age by March 13th 2014 ( the date of the LAN event)
Hotel and flight cost are paid for in full by ESL.
Qualifier Date and Brackets
Date: Saturday February 8th at 4:00 pm EST -VIEW BRACKETS - Meet in Channel IEM on Starcraft 2! Date In Your Local Time: Saturday, Feb 08 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
In a Best of 1, Best of 3 and Best of 5 a map veto (removal and pick) system is used. The high seeded player(seeds can be found at round 1 on the grid page) decides who starts. Players take it in turn removing maps until only one remains in a best of 1 or until only 3 maps remain in a best of 3. Then each player picks a map. Maps are played in order they are picked. The remaining map is played last.
Broadcasting Rifkin of Basetrade TV will be covering the action live on Twitch.tv! International Streams
On February 02 2014 06:03 Aeromi wrote: Is viOLet able to play this qualifier ?
Why wouldnt he be? Its region-free.
Yes you have to pay only a maximum of two times. It is a very important fact that NESL and ESL premium are SEPARATE. If you wish to play in the EU and the Korea Regional qualifier coming up, you will need ESL premium. For the America qualifier you will need NESL premium. I repeat that ESL premium does not carry over as NESL premium!!
On February 02 2014 06:34 Smurfett3 wrote: theres this thing called "sponsor 4 free " thing and when I click it i just get a white blank page. is that what it is supposed to look like?
There is currently no options available for obtaining Premium for free, that is why the page is blank at this time. You must purchase one of the "Premium For Me" options available. The 30 day, 90 day, or 360 days.
On February 04 2014 04:30 Penguinator wrote: I still just can't get over the fact that you have to pay in order to play in the QUALIFIER for the event...
Easy to say that, but when you factor in that Katowice is the world championship with the only way to qualify is to place Top 2 at an IEM circuit stop throughout the season it starts to make a little more sense. When majority of the players had to go through qualifiers, and go through a groupstage and then a playoffs bracket to earn their spot, paying $6 to play in one single elimination online tournament to earn a spot at the world championships doesn't seem all that bad. You just gotta put things in perspective. It wouldn't be fair to the rest of the world championship qualifier players if this was an open free qualification bracket.
This is a reminder to all participants that after checking in before the cup starts to be in channel IEM on SC2 I repeat: Meet in Channel IEM on Starcraft 2!
On February 09 2014 05:53 NovaMB wrote: CJ Entus and Europe(counting Dear/jjakji to EU atm) signed up in masses, also Solar and Trap. Only NA doesnt seem to care T_T
Also is "innovaiton" INnoVation or someone that just cant spell?
Well, there is no region lock this time, they know they have 0 chance + Show Spoiler +
On February 09 2014 05:53 NovaMB wrote: CJ Entus and Europe(counting Dear/jjakji to EU atm) signed up in masses, also Solar and Trap. Only NA doesnt seem to care T_T
Also is "innovaiton" INnoVation or someone that just cant spell?
Well, there is no region lock this time, they know they have 0 chance + Show Spoiler +
/troll
I don't get that attitude. I would take every chance to compete vs better players in a competitive environment. The lack of NA players is really shocking for me. Giving up before trying is the worst, a lot of European players even played the KR qualifer.
I feel like the whole No Region Lock was kinda quiet for this qualifier and we could have seen a bigger player list if IEM had been more vocal. Of course maybe they were trying to keep quieter to reduce the number of koreans Hopefully we some great players sign up anyway
On February 09 2014 06:02 m0ck wrote: When does the Korean qualifier on the EU server take place?
Rofl.
I don't understand why NA players don't try this qualifier.
When do NA players ever try to do anything?
They are really good at twitter.
I wouldn't call that being good at twitter, i'd say it's rather usual stuff trying to get attention with everything else than good play. (Ofcourse not all of them)
On February 09 2014 06:02 m0ck wrote: When does the Korean qualifier on the EU server take place?
Rofl.
I don't understand why NA players don't try this qualifier.
When do NA players ever try to do anything?
They are really good at twitter.
I wouldn't call that being good at twitter, i'd say it's rather usual stuff trying to get attention with everything else than good play. (Ofcourse not all of them)
Firecake 4-0 avilo
But yeah, not everyone ofc. Theres also Enders Game thingy going on, but thats just 8 players (5 of which signed up anyway)
People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
You pay for porn?
Never, Naniwa may be the King on the North, but I am the Porn Pirate Lord of Tortuga.
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
I don't know, the Courage system worked decently for amateurs in Brood War. Was it tough as shit and did most people get their ass kicked a million times over? Sure. But did a bunch of great players come out of those depressing losses as well? Absolutely.
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
what kind of pornsite only costs 6dollars? :O
The one where i star in.
Link please!
Pascal B... (if you're from france i don't need to say more...:D)
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
what kind of pornsite only costs 6dollars? :O
The one where i star in.
Link please!
Pascal B... (if you're from france i don't need to say more...:D)
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
what kind of pornsite only costs 6dollars? :O
The one where i star in.
Link please!
Pascal B... (if you're from france i don't need to say more...:D)
On February 09 2014 06:43 Squat wrote: People here really overestimate the training and experience gain in getting smashed by a guy who is about four times as good as you in 10 minutes. You are probably far better off just playing more customs and spending those 6 dollars on renewing your porn subscription.
I don't know, the Courage system worked decently for amateurs in Brood War. Was it tough as shit and did most people get their ass kicked a million times over? Sure. But did a bunch of great players come out of those depressing losses as well? Absolutely.
That's the thing though, you got to have your ass handed to you over and over, with pretty good practice against over high level amateurs in between. Here it's wait two months, get destroyed, go back to ladder or customs with people who are nowhere close to the level of the guy who just smashed you, then rinse and repeat next season. You evolve through consistency. Just getting a one-off beating does nothing.
On February 09 2014 06:38 Lorning wrote: More Europeans than Americans in this =.=
Yeah, I was a bit surprised/depressed to see the enormous lack of interest among Americans... 13 could be convinced to participate? 11 Europeans and 19 Koreans? That free ticket to Poland ain't sweet enough it seems.
On February 09 2014 06:38 Lorning wrote: More Europeans than Americans in this =.=
Yeah, I was a bit surprised/depressed to see the enormous lack of interest among Americans... 13 could be convinced to participate? 11 Europeans and 19 Koreans? That free ticket to Poland ain't sweet enough it seems.
I would have paid to play if they gave me someone famous to cheese out of the first round.
On February 09 2014 06:38 Lorning wrote: More Europeans than Americans in this =.=
Yeah, I was a bit surprised/depressed to see the enormous lack of interest among Americans... 13 could be convinced to participate? 11 Europeans and 19 Koreans? That free ticket to Poland ain't sweet enough it seems.
I would have paid to play if they gave me someone famous to cheese out of the first round.
Maybe you would have played Hydra and won. Cause he throws all his games anyway.
On February 09 2014 06:38 Lorning wrote: More Europeans than Americans in this =.=
Yeah, I was a bit surprised/depressed to see the enormous lack of interest among Americans... 13 could be convinced to participate? 11 Europeans and 19 Koreans? That free ticket to Poland ain't sweet enough it seems.
I would have paid to play if they gave me someone famous to cheese out of the first round.
On February 09 2014 06:38 Lorning wrote: More Europeans than Americans in this =.=
Yeah, I was a bit surprised/depressed to see the enormous lack of interest among Americans... 13 could be convinced to participate? 11 Europeans and 19 Koreans? That free ticket to Poland ain't sweet enough it seems.
I would have paid to play if they gave me someone famous to cheese out of the first round.
As long as you are over 16, all you had to pay is USD 6 according to the OP.
In MLGGameon, qxc was playing against Desrow. In game 2 Desrow was doing fairly badly and then he decided to attack with his immortal archon storm army and then lose badly as he basically took the worst engagement possible and got emp'ed.
During the attack, Desrow wrote, "THIS IS PROTOSS!"
The game goes on and as qxc is about to close out the game he writes, "You are not Protoss. Minigun is Protoss."
Then Catz and Destiny go OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH for about 5 minutes afterwards.
In MLGGameon, qxc was playing against Desrow. In game 2 Desrow was doing fairly badly and then he decided to attack with his immortal archon storm army and then lose badly as he basically took the worst engagement possible and got emp'ed.
During the attack, Desrow wrote, "THIS IS PROTOSS!"
The game goes on and as qxc is about to close out the game he writes, "You are not Protoss. Minigun is Protoss."
I've seen this video but thanks for the explaination.
On February 09 2014 07:18 Zheryn wrote: Really slick build by Innovation vs the 2base muta. He has commited a lot to vikings tho.
Vikings are a required unit in Mech vs Z.
funny thing is, despite making all those vikings he still held vs mass roach pretty handily
Yeah I used to think you could bust tank viking hellbat with max roaches, but that slight buff to tanks + the amount of tanking hellbats do now (compared to hellions in WoL) really do make a difference against it.
On February 09 2014 07:23 NarutO wrote: Polt won vs jona
Polt vs Jjakji *needs* to be casted somewhere.
I will join Polt/Jjakji! We will show on it TakeTV but we are in a subscriber final as well, so we need to show both. But as soon as there is action in any of the games, we will show it
On February 09 2014 07:23 NarutO wrote: Polt won vs jona
Polt vs Jjakji *needs* to be casted somewhere.
I will join Polt/Jjakji! We will show on it TakeTV but we are in a subscriber final as well, so we need to show both. But as soon as there is action in any of the games, we will show it
Thanks man! TaKe and the crew, doing work as always! ^^
On February 09 2014 07:23 NarutO wrote: Polt won vs jona
Polt vs Jjakji *needs* to be casted somewhere.
I will join Polt/Jjakji! We will show on it TakeTV but we are in a subscriber final as well, so we need to show both. But as soon as there is action in any of the games, we will show it
On February 09 2014 07:23 NarutO wrote: Polt won vs jona
Polt vs Jjakji *needs* to be casted somewhere.
I will join Polt/Jjakji! We will show on it TakeTV but we are in a subscriber final as well, so we need to show both. But as soon as there is action in any of the games, we will show it
On February 09 2014 07:42 Qwerty85 wrote: cc 1st on Polar? :o
Why not?
Seems risky since it is a two player map and it is not as huge as Frost for example. I don't recall seeing cc 1st on Polar in pro TvZ.. It is almost always reaper expand. But he will get away with it so I guess it worked out great for him.
On February 09 2014 07:42 Qwerty85 wrote: cc 1st on Polar? :o
Why not?
Seems risky since it is a two player map and it is not as huge as Frost for example. I don't recall seeing cc 1st on Polar in pro TvZ.. It is almost always reaper expand.
Early pools are nearly extinct in TvZ, precisely because Reaper expands are common.
On February 09 2014 07:43 Ej_ wrote: so far it looks like paranoid is the only foreigner to win a match vs a korean player. and i dont think it will change lol
Neige has a 17.5% winrate over 40 games according to Aligulac (not including his loss to ParanOid). So.... :s
On February 09 2014 07:31 stuchiu wrote: This muta swarm host style seems frustrating to play against.
#1 reason Terrans stop playing mech in TvZ.
What if innovation mixed in mines? I noticed that Solar was flying his mutas around without an overseer escort. SH/Muta seems incredibly gas heavy and getting overseers would hurt on that account. In big pushes, the vikings would threaten the overseers a lot - with mines threatening the mutas.
On February 09 2014 07:31 stuchiu wrote: This muta swarm host style seems frustrating to play against.
#1 reason Terrans stop playing mech in TvZ.
What if innovation mixed in mines? I noticed that Solar was flying his mutas around with an overseer escort. SH/Muta seems incredibly gas heavy and getting overseers would hurt on that account. In big pushes, the vikings would threaten the overseers a lot - with mines threatening the mutas.
Mines are indeed good vs mutas, but when you push against Swarm hosts they're quite impractical since Locusts trigger them if you don't constantly babysit them.
On February 09 2014 07:42 Qwerty85 wrote: cc 1st on Polar? :o
Why not?
Seems risky since it is a two player map and it is not as huge as Frost for example. I don't recall seeing cc 1st on Polar in pro TvZ.. It is almost always reaper expand.
Early pools are nearly extinct in TvZ, precisely because Reaper expands are common.
As far as I know only Life still includes them, but even the it's like 1 in 50 games or something ridiculously low.
On February 09 2014 07:43 Ej_ wrote: so far it looks like paranoid is the only foreigner to win a match vs a korean player. and i dont think it will change lol
Neige has a 17.5% winrate over 40 games according to Aligulac (not including his loss to ParanOid). So.... :s
doesnt matter as long as his flag on esl is korean!
On February 09 2014 07:42 Qwerty85 wrote: cc 1st on Polar? :o
Why not?
Seems risky since it is a two player map and it is not as huge as Frost for example. I don't recall seeing cc 1st on Polar in pro TvZ.. It is almost always reaper expand.
Early pools are nearly extinct in TvZ, precisely because Reaper expands are common.
As far as I know only Life still includes them, but even the it's like 1 in 50 games or something ridiculously low.
Jaedong uses them too sometimes. Remember Soulkey's glorious 6 pool vs SuperNova on Newkirk Precinct? (;
On February 09 2014 07:31 stuchiu wrote: This muta swarm host style seems frustrating to play against.
#1 reason Terrans stop playing mech in TvZ.
What if innovation mixed in mines? I noticed that Solar was flying his mutas around with an overseer escort. SH/Muta seems incredibly gas heavy and getting overseers would hurt on that account. In big pushes, the vikings would threaten the overseers a lot - with mines threatening the mutas.
Mines are indeed good vs mutas, but when you push against Swarm hosts they're quite impractical since Locusts trigger them if you don't constantly babysit them.
Sorry, I meant to say mutas were backstabbing without an overseer. Keeping mines behind tanks would do the job with minimal babysitting - I think.
On February 09 2014 07:42 Qwerty85 wrote: cc 1st on Polar? :o
Why not?
Seems risky since it is a two player map and it is not as huge as Frost for example. I don't recall seeing cc 1st on Polar in pro TvZ.. It is almost always reaper expand.
Early pools are nearly extinct in TvZ, precisely because Reaper expands are common.
As far as I know only Life still includes them, but even the it's like 1 in 50 games or something ridiculously low.
On February 09 2014 07:43 Ej_ wrote: so far it looks like paranoid is the only foreigner to win a match vs a korean player. and i dont think it will change lol
Neige has a 17.5% winrate over 40 games according to Aligulac (not including his loss to ParanOid). So.... :s
doesnt matter as long as his flag on esl is korean!
On February 09 2014 07:43 Ej_ wrote: so far it looks like paranoid is the only foreigner to win a match vs a korean player. and i dont think it will change lol
Neige has a 17.5% winrate over 40 games according to Aligulac (not including his loss to ParanOid). So.... :s
doesnt matter as long as his flag on esl is korean!
On February 09 2014 07:43 Ej_ wrote: so far it looks like paranoid is the only foreigner to win a match vs a korean player. and i dont think it will change lol
Neige has a 17.5% winrate over 40 games according to Aligulac (not including his loss to ParanOid). So.... :s
doesnt matter as long as his flag on esl is korean!
On February 09 2014 07:42 Qwerty85 wrote: cc 1st on Polar? :o
Why not?
Seems risky since it is a two player map and it is not as huge as Frost for example. I don't recall seeing cc 1st on Polar in pro TvZ.. It is almost always reaper expand.
Early pools are nearly extinct in TvZ, precisely because Reaper expands are common.
As far as I know only Life still includes them, but even the it's like 1 in 50 games or something ridiculously low.
Jaedong uses them too sometimes. Remember Soulkey's glorious 6 pool vs SuperNova on Newkirk Precinct? (;
God damn Right. Only Top Zergs realize that you have to take that 5% chance of victory to make your regular games all the stronger.
On February 09 2014 07:57 Heartland wrote: wait, we missed the start of the game where for some reason two marines have moved across the map and we have no idea about the builds?
On February 09 2014 07:57 Heartland wrote: wait, we missed the start of the game where for some reason two marines have moved across the map and we have no idea about the builds?
On February 09 2014 07:49 NovaMB wrote: ParanOid 2-0 MMA
I'm sorry what
it's just MMA. it's not like he beat a code s level terran
We´re getting to a point, where running into Code S terrans is harder than beating them, considering all of them travel to foreign lands. That being said, MMA was still more succesfull in the last months of 2013 than 67% of the current Code S terrans.
Solar new top zerg, been saying it since before it was cool. Super talented, such good game sense and understanding. Just needs to work out some kinks in his mechanical armour.
On February 09 2014 08:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: What is up with Acer players today. The lesser ones are playing great and the top ones are playing badly.
On February 09 2014 08:14 Heartland wrote: Dear did play less than stellar in the mousesport vs myi clan war before. Maybe a bad day, maybe out of shape.
He played really bad at ASUS aswell, it was a miracle he even made it to the finals
On February 09 2014 08:14 Heartland wrote: Dear did play less than stellar in the mousesport vs myi clan war before. Maybe a bad day, maybe out of shape.
On February 09 2014 08:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Not gonna jump on Dear until I see how he does in code S, but so far he's matching my thoughts on him...
On February 09 2014 08:14 Heartland wrote: Dear did play less than stellar in the mousesport vs myi clan war before. Maybe a bad day, maybe out of shape.
Lag probably. And he is known to be susceptible to all ins, and no one all ins like Bly.
On February 09 2014 08:18 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Not gonna jump on Dear until I see how he does in code S, but so far he's matching my thoughts on him...
On February 09 2014 08:14 Heartland wrote: Dear did play less than stellar in the mousesport vs myi clan war before. Maybe a bad day, maybe out of shape.
Lag probably. And he is known to be susceptible to all ins, and no one all ins like Bly.
On February 09 2014 08:14 Heartland wrote: Dear did play less than stellar in the mousesport vs myi clan war before. Maybe a bad day, maybe out of shape.
Lag probably. And he is known to be susceptible to all ins, and no one all ins like Bly.
On February 09 2014 08:20 stuchiu wrote: That may have been the most soulless train I'd ever seen from Huk. Even more soulless than the time I saw Voldemort ride the Hogwarts Express.
Voldemort has one seventh of a soul thank you very much
On February 09 2014 08:20 stuchiu wrote: That may have been the most soulless train I'd ever seen from Huk. Even more soulless than the time I saw Voldemort ride the Hogwarts Express.
The lonely immortal and sentry looked so sad, left behind during the recall and fighting like 30 roaches all by themselves.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
On February 09 2014 08:44 dyDrawer wrote: Dear's current form MILES below his prime. Sad to see.
Jaedong, Revival, Oz, and aLive join EG and improve
Lucifron joins mouz and disappears. Dear joins mouz and does worse Are we seeing the new curse?
Dear joins mouz and instantly makes a final. Luci joins Mouz and stays on his late-K3-level for half a year. Naama adn ThorZaIN reached teir big wins on mouz and fell off, after they left. Hasu stays on Mouz for 10 years now and remains uncursed. Heromarine gets developed into EPS champion material by Mouz.
I think, it would need a bit more to justify a curse.
On February 09 2014 08:44 dyDrawer wrote: Dear's current form MILES below his prime. Sad to see.
Jaedong, Revival, Oz, and aLive join EG and improve
Lucifron joins mouz and disappears. Dear joins mouz and does worse Are we seeing the new curse?
Dear joins mouz and instantly makes a final. Luci joins Mouz and stays on his late-K3-level for half a year. Naama adn ThorZaIN reached teir big wins on mouz and fell off, after they left. Hasu stays on Mouz for 10 years now and remains uncursed. Heromarine gets developed into EPS champion material by Mouz.
I think, it would need a bit more to justify a curse.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
HerO shouldn't have been so greedy
Nexus first isn't insane unorthodox greed. It's pretty standard. Violet gambled on the 50/50 and got it
10 pool isn't an insane coinflip either.
Yeah the build isn't, it was just that it was a 4 player map and he only knew that HerO wasn't top right. He ran his lings straight to top left and arrived just before the wall was ready. If HerO had spawned bottom left the lings would've been way too late. That was the coin flip part, not the build
On February 09 2014 08:44 dyDrawer wrote: Dear's current form MILES below his prime. Sad to see.
Jaedong, Revival, Oz, and aLive join EG and improve
Lucifron joins mouz and disappears. Dear joins mouz and does worse Are we seeing the new curse?
Dear joins mouz and instantly makes a final. Luci joins Mouz and stays on his late-K3-level for half a year. Naama adn ThorZaIN reached teir big wins on mouz and fell off, after they left. Hasu stays on Mouz for 10 years now and remains uncursed. Heromarine gets developed into EPS champion material by Mouz.
I think, it would need a bit more to justify a curse.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
On February 09 2014 08:44 dyDrawer wrote: Dear's current form MILES below his prime. Sad to see.
Jaedong, Revival, Oz, and aLive join EG and improve
Lucifron joins mouz and disappears. Dear joins mouz and does worse Are we seeing the new curse?
Dear joins mouz and instantly makes a final. Luci joins Mouz and stays on his late-K3-level for half a year. Naama adn ThorZaIN reached teir big wins on mouz and fell off, after they left. Hasu stays on Mouz for 10 years now and remains uncursed. Heromarine gets developed into EPS champion material by Mouz.
I think, it would need a bit more to justify a curse.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
HerO shouldn't have been so greedy
Nexus first isn't insane unorthodox greed. It's pretty standard. Violet gambled on the 50/50 and got it
10 pool isn't an insane coinflip either.
Yeah the build isn't, it was just that it was a 4 player map and he only knew that HerO wasn't top right. He ran his lings straight to top left and arrived just before the wall was ready. If HerO had spawned bottom left the lings would've been way too late. That was the coin flip part, not the build
Violet needs to learn from me and Curious and drone scout with 10 pool, then its always an instant victory.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
HerO shouldn't have been so greedy
Nexus first isn't insane unorthodox greed. It's pretty standard. Violet gambled on the 50/50 and got it
10 pool isn't an insane coinflip either.
Yeah the build isn't, it was just that it was a 4 player map and he only knew that HerO wasn't top right. He ran his lings straight to top left and arrived just before the wall was ready. If HerO had spawned bottom left the lings would've been way too late. That was the coin flip part, not the build
Violet needs to learn from me and Curious and drone scout with 10 pool, then its always an instant victory.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
HerO shouldn't have been so greedy
Nexus first isn't insane unorthodox greed. It's pretty standard. Violet gambled on the 50/50 and got it
10 pool isn't an insane coinflip either.
Yeah the build isn't, it was just that it was a 4 player map and he only knew that HerO wasn't top right. He ran his lings straight to top left and arrived just before the wall was ready. If HerO had spawned bottom left the lings would've been way too late. That was the coin flip part, not the build
Violet needs to learn from me and Curious and drone scout with 10 pool, then its always an instant victory.
He did drone scout D:
Did he do the overlord to vertical spawn, drone scout to one corner and lings to the last corner? Then it wasn't really blind and I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
People cry after lucky gambles. people don't cry after mind games?
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
It's necessary for a foreigner to use when playing Koreans because they can't win at macro
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
HerO shouldn't have been so greedy
Nexus first isn't insane unorthodox greed. It's pretty standard. Violet gambled on the 50/50 and got it
10 pool isn't an insane coinflip either.
Yeah the build isn't, it was just that it was a 4 player map and he only knew that HerO wasn't top right. He ran his lings straight to top left and arrived just before the wall was ready. If HerO had spawned bottom left the lings would've been way too late. That was the coin flip part, not the build
Violet needs to learn from me and Curious and drone scout with 10 pool, then its always an instant victory.
Or in ZvZ just bring a drone ahead of time to plant a spine on the edge of the creep :D
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
Its a white boy doing it
Naniwa is constantly showing appreciation to PartinG/sOs/Dear. I highly doubt, that he as as simple minded as you make him sound like.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
HerO shouldn't have been so greedy
Nexus first isn't insane unorthodox greed. It's pretty standard. Violet gambled on the 50/50 and got it
10 pool isn't an insane coinflip either.
Yeah the build isn't, it was just that it was a 4 player map and he only knew that HerO wasn't top right. He ran his lings straight to top left and arrived just before the wall was ready. If HerO had spawned bottom left the lings would've been way too late. That was the coin flip part, not the build
Violet needs to learn from me and Curious and drone scout with 10 pool, then its always an instant victory.
Or in ZvZ just bring a drone ahead of time to plant a spine on the edge of the creep :D
I wonder if it says something about me that all the Zerg builds I've learned have all been these super dirty off tempo builds from Leenock, Life, Suhosin, Hyvaa, Symbol, Nestea and Shine.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
Doesn't really look very successful atm.
The opening went perfect for violet but he got caught droning with a big zealot/phoenix attack that he should have been ready for.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
The difference is that PvP is about flipping coins and you can flip them responsibly or carelessly.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
Doesn't really look very successful atm.
The opening went perfect for violet but he got caught droning with a big zealot/phoenix attack that he should have been ready for.
Which was largely because his greedy opening and lack of scouting.
On February 09 2014 08:44 dyDrawer wrote: Dear's current form MILES below his prime. Sad to see.
Jaedong, Revival, Oz, and aLive join EG and improve
Lucifron joins mouz and disappears. Dear joins mouz and does worse Are we seeing the new curse?
Dear joins mouz and instantly makes a final. Luci joins Mouz and stays on his late-K3-level for half a year. Naama adn ThorZaIN reached teir big wins on mouz and fell off, after they left. Hasu stays on Mouz for 10 years now and remains uncursed. Heromarine gets developed into EPS champion material by Mouz.
I think, it would need a bit more to justify a curse.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
Doesn't really look very successful atm.
The opening went perfect for violet but he got caught droning with a big zealot/phoenix attack that he should have been ready for.
Which was largely because his greedy opening and lack of scouting.
Wrong, his opening wasn't too greedy. His "lack of scouting" saw the phoenix and he knew that HerO was behind after his initial 4gate pressure failed. The logical next step for protoss to try and catch up is take a fast third OR do some kind of followup stargate + zealot attack. He had roach tech with roach speed, he had ling speed and he had spores. But he didn't put the pieces together correctly. No third means an attack. And violet wasn't prepared.
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
The difference is that PvP is about flipping coins and you can flip them responsibly or carelessly.
But how would we ever know the difference when the results produce the same effects?
On February 09 2014 08:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: HerO 0 - 1 viOLet
10pool gamble on Frost caught HerO's nexus first
10 POOL IS THE TRUTH
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
The difference is that PvP is about flipping coins and you can flip them responsibly or carelessly.
But how would we ever know the difference when the results produce the same effects?
The difference is higher variance with irresponsible flipping.
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
The difference is that PvP is about flipping coins and you can flip them responsibly or carelessly.
But how would we ever know the difference when the results produce the same effects?
The difference is higher variance with irresponsible flipping.
Nexus first gamble gets caught by God of all Builds 10 pool.
Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
The difference is that PvP is about flipping coins and you can flip them responsibly or carelessly.
But how would we ever know the difference when the results produce the same effects?
The difference is higher variance with irresponsible flipping.
But given the same time periods, they both have extremely similar PvP winrates and even though Naniwa has a higher winrate that can be easily explained with the fact that he also had much softer opponents than Duckdeok.
On February 09 2014 08:44 Yorkie wrote: [quote] Yeah except it was blind. if HerO had spawned in the bottom left Violet would have lost instantly
the nexus first was blind too, no?
There's no forge opening as protoss that doesn't put you behind if zerg doesn't early pool. So you might say that protoss always has to gamble a bit vs zerg with the openings.
or he could just go gateway first
Then viOLet can gamble on a 3hatch before pool (like he did successfully this game).
I've always wondered. Naniwa called Duckdeok a coin flipper, but when he did it himself, he called it mindgames. What is the difference?
The difference is that PvP is about flipping coins and you can flip them responsibly or carelessly.
But how would we ever know the difference when the results produce the same effects?
The difference is higher variance with irresponsible flipping.
But given the same time periods, they both have extremely similar PvP winrates and even though Naniwa has a higher winrate that can be easily explained with the fact that he also had much softer opponents than Duckdeok.
That's because Korean coinflips are more refined, whether they're responsible or not. There are harsher counters with Korean coinflipping but it also allows much better defense vs non-Korean coinflips (because these are imperfect)
Haha "I got the sickest army possible, but what should I do?" Story of my Terran life, everytime I try to kill protoss, even when I am miles ahead (upgrades, bases, army) and he gets 2-3 good stroms of Haha so much fun, when he said "Thx Blizzard, for the great lategame matchup, I am sure I could have done some things better, like Zealot harassements etc" pointing out that there is a limit of what you could do against the opponent.
As long as Blizzard says game is balanced if winrate is approx 50%, there is no reason to talk about it anymore, cause if these 50% are reached with different effort or game understanding... well we know where this discussion would lead. Glad to see even polite Grubby getting mad
I like to add, that after the fungal change, lotsof zergs said, that fungal is now useless...
On February 09 2014 09:15 Aeromi wrote: Grubby loses btw.
" Thanks Blizzard for this late game "
Is Grubby in this tournament? Sorry if I'm a little stupid today, kind of a hectic day.
Nop, he's streaming his ladder. He met a Zerg, he had 200 of army and managed to lose because he lost his patience.
He complains a lot about this MU during this game.
it really IS frustrating, if it isn't possible to break an opponent although you have 75% of the map and ressources, but there are spells, preventing you from the win. He coulnd't have won that game with the composition, he would always have gotten pulled by vipers or fungaled to death. He lost his army like 5-6 times. And carriers, void rays etc arent cheap enough to remake them forever, he was running low on gas (had "only" 2k left in the end) while the opponent just had to rebuild energy.
Before I uninstalled Hots recently, I really said to myself it is just me who isn't good enough, and I need better engagements, better micro better this and that and I will be fine vs Toss again (as Terran, playing random these days). Was on 6 bases, toss on 3, attacked from different angles, EMP (didnt hit enough I guess, but wasn't possible better for me, got stormed, feedbacked etc) had vikings in the air vs colossi, upgrade lead, etc. splitting my MMM on the ground, controling medivacs spererately so they keep healing.... After building up the game and sniping toss bases throughout it all the time (without losing anything) for 20 mins, it came down to this, I lost. Storms, Lasers, Chargelots... and then he just walked into my base (which i coulndt hold although I had like 8 Bunkers ready). left a very happy oponent behind. Rewatching and analyzing the replay showed me: could have done it better if I am a pro, but I am not. Checking the stats at the end showed him having like a third of apm, watching the fight in the end, where i was splitting, pulling, sniping, emping, focusing etc and he was basically a-moving and dropping good stroms... Dunno I feel for everyone who has these engagements in sc2. doesnt matter which matchup. I am not saying something is imba, just a pain to play and to watch sometimes. And it is frustrating to watch Tournament these days: I like all the matchups with terran in it, dunno, maybe because I started with it, or it is the most action to me, even TvT sometimes. And now there are less and less Ts and small spellcaster armies win the whole time. Balanced? Yeah ok it is maybe, but not so entertaining to watch as some good old BW games or the best Matchup IMO the TvZ
Hated Zergs during the late part of the BL era but these SH games are, if possible, worse. The unit is just such a drag, totally kills the excitement of the current game going on.
On February 09 2014 09:26 Anlo wrote: Hated Zergs during the late part of the BL era but these SH games are, if possible, worse. The unit is just such a drag, totally kills the excitement of the current game going on.
Because full voydrai/ht is so much better. Zergs don't even like playing like this. Not their fault if it's the only unit that counter Protoss late game armies.
I blame SH for me wanting to shout "FREEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM" whenever a zerg dies. A shame really, I rather like the race and I WANT to cheer for the race as any other but the static spawn units-idea is just... Ah well, hoping the last grand finals before LotV will for all the curling in Canada not become a 1 hour SH vs SH midfield.
On February 09 2014 09:26 Anlo wrote: Hated Zergs during the late part of the BL era but these SH games are, if possible, worse. The unit is just such a drag, totally kills the excitement of the current game going on.
Zergs don't even like playing like this. Not their fault if it's the only unit that counter Protoss late game armies.
If I felt like that playing my race I would probably last a week playing the game.
On February 09 2014 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote: I seriously doubt that Soulkey and his ilk won't have worked on this style considering the amount of Protoss in GSL atm. The horror is just beginning
Something something Koreans are more aggressive with this something something ladder rates are balanced. Maru's winning.-David Kim.
On February 09 2014 09:26 Anlo wrote: Hated Zergs during the late part of the BL era but these SH games are, if possible, worse. The unit is just such a drag, totally kills the excitement of the current game going on.
Zergs don't even like playing like this. Not their fault if it's the only unit that counter Protoss late game armies.
If I felt like that playing my race I would probably last a week playing the game.
On February 09 2014 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote: I seriously doubt that Soulkey and his ilk won't have worked on this style considering the amount of Protoss in GSL atm. The horror is just beginning
I can see it in my mind. Soulkey playing SH turtle at 700 APM, microing individual locusts all over the map to target down zealots and move around forcefields to snipe a sentry every third wave, abducting probes and chain fungaling anything that moves onto creep. It will be glorious.
On February 09 2014 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote: I seriously doubt that Soulkey and his ilk won't have worked on this style considering the amount of Protoss in GSL atm. The horror is just beginning
I can see it in my mind. Soulkey playing SH turtle at 700 APM, microing individual locusts all over the map to target down zealots and move around forcefields to snipe a sentry every third wave, abducting probes and chain fungaling anything that moves onto creep. It will be glorious.
On February 09 2014 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote: I seriously doubt that Soulkey and his ilk won't have worked on this style considering the amount of Protoss in GSL atm. The horror is just beginning
I can see it in my mind. Soulkey playing SH turtle at 700 APM, microing individual locusts all over the map to target down zealots and move around forcefields to snipe a sentry every third wave, abducting probes and chain fungaling anything that moves onto creep. It will be glorious.
God damn it. Parting Soul Train this fool.
My wish for GSL this year: 14 toss and 2 zergs, ZvZ finals with every game from Ro16 an onwards being mass SH turtle. The fall out would be better than any game of starcraft could ever be.
On February 09 2014 09:21 Wombat_NI wrote: God, please work some magic HerO. I like viOLet but god, swarm hosts....
You don't like watching free units waddling awkwardly into lazors for 75 minutes!?! What do you think this is supposed to be, FUN?!?!
only bad zergs play like that. only bad protosses lose to that.
Define bad. Stepho does fine on EU GM with that style. If by bad you mean not top 15-20, then sure.
Yeah, I specifically meant someone like Stephano, Firecake and all the others. They would lose to someone like Myungsik, eMotion or Trend in no time with that. And those are not A-teamers.
On February 09 2014 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote: I seriously doubt that Soulkey and his ilk won't have worked on this style considering the amount of Protoss in GSL atm. The horror is just beginning
I can see it in my mind. Soulkey playing SH turtle at 700 APM, microing individual locusts all over the map to target down zealots and move around forcefields to snipe a sentry every third wave, abducting probes and chain fungaling anything that moves onto creep. It will be glorious.
God damn it. Parting Soul Train this fool.
My wish for GSL this year: 14 toss and 2 zergs, ZvZ finals with every game from Ro16 an onwards being mass SH turtle. The fall out would be better than any game of starcraft could ever be.
And when Dark raises the trophy over his first GSL, he lifts a hand to his face and rips off his mask. IT WAS SNIPER ALL ALONG. KOREA UP IN FLAMES, IKEAS BURN IN SWEDEN, BRONCOS LOSE SUPERBOWL, CHRISTMAS ENDS and all I can hear is Sniper laughing.
On February 09 2014 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote: I seriously doubt that Soulkey and his ilk won't have worked on this style considering the amount of Protoss in GSL atm. The horror is just beginning
I can see it in my mind. Soulkey playing SH turtle at 700 APM, microing individual locusts all over the map to target down zealots and move around forcefields to snipe a sentry every third wave, abducting probes and chain fungaling anything that moves onto creep. It will be glorious.
God damn it. Parting Soul Train this fool.
My wish for GSL this year: 14 toss and 2 zergs, ZvZ finals with every game from Ro16 an onwards being mass SH turtle. The fall out would be better than any game of starcraft could ever be.
Imbalance whine, sc2 dehd cries, and perhaps another satirical article from Ver is better than any game of starcraft?
On February 09 2014 09:26 Anlo wrote: Hated Zergs during the late part of the BL era but these SH games are, if possible, worse. The unit is just such a drag, totally kills the excitement of the current game going on.
Zergs don't even like playing like this. Not their fault if it's the only unit that counter Protoss late game armies.
If I felt like that playing my race I would probably last a week playing the game.
Or become me and 10 pool everyone.
Dude, with your legendary skills and awesometastically supreme brainjuice I bet you actually DO 10 pool... and use 5 of those pools to wall off. Sickest baller on ladder -NA.
On February 09 2014 09:21 Wombat_NI wrote: God, please work some magic HerO. I like viOLet but god, swarm hosts....
You don't like watching free units waddling awkwardly into lazors for 75 minutes!?! What do you think this is supposed to be, FUN?!?!
only bad zergs play like that. only bad protosses lose to that.
Define bad. Stepho does fine on EU GM with that style. If by bad you mean not top 15-20, then sure.
Yeah, I specifically meant someone like Stephano, Firecake and all the others. They would lose to someone like Myungsik, eMotion or Trend in no time with that. And those are not A-teamers.
He's part-time now I guess, but Stephano is a pretty damn solid player and above all strategically intelligent. I think you're doing him a disservice by making out like he's below every Korean B-teamer
On February 09 2014 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote: I seriously doubt that Soulkey and his ilk won't have worked on this style considering the amount of Protoss in GSL atm. The horror is just beginning
I can see it in my mind. Soulkey playing SH turtle at 700 APM, microing individual locusts all over the map to target down zealots and move around forcefields to snipe a sentry every third wave, abducting probes and chain fungaling anything that moves onto creep. It will be glorious.
God damn it. Parting Soul Train this fool.
My wish for GSL this year: 14 toss and 2 zergs, ZvZ finals with every game from Ro16 an onwards being mass SH turtle. The fall out would be better than any game of starcraft could ever be.
Imbalance whine, sc2 dehd cries, and perhaps another satirical article from Ver is better than any game of starcraft?
You've got a weird taste.
well I wanna have fruitdealer back and win GSL again against a terran where he blows up 10 banelings on a tank over and over again and still wins, after that everyone was still shouting T was OP these days back then
On February 09 2014 09:21 Wombat_NI wrote: God, please work some magic HerO. I like viOLet but god, swarm hosts....
You don't like watching free units waddling awkwardly into lazors for 75 minutes!?! What do you think this is supposed to be, FUN?!?!
only bad zergs play like that. only bad protosses lose to that.
Define bad. Stepho does fine on EU GM with that style. If by bad you mean not top 15-20, then sure.
Yeah, I specifically meant someone like Stephano, Firecake and all the others. They would lose to someone like Myungsik, eMotion or Trend in no time with that. And those are not A-teamers.
He's part-time now I guess, but Stephano is a pretty damn solid player and above all strategically intelligent. I think you're doing him a disservice by making out like he's below every Korean B-teamer
Yeah but as you say he is part time. I also only said they would rip that turtle style of theirs apart, not that they are generally better. I mean, there IS a reason why no one in Korea is doing that.
Good place to be atm, cheering for everyone left in the bracket. Never been a fan of Hyun but with the crap that went down with no salary and all that jazz he gets a "good for you kid" if he claims the spot.
On February 09 2014 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote: I seriously doubt that Soulkey and his ilk won't have worked on this style considering the amount of Protoss in GSL atm. The horror is just beginning
I can see it in my mind. Soulkey playing SH turtle at 700 APM, microing individual locusts all over the map to target down zealots and move around forcefields to snipe a sentry every third wave, abducting probes and chain fungaling anything that moves onto creep. It will be glorious.
God damn it. Parting Soul Train this fool.
My wish for GSL this year: 14 toss and 2 zergs, ZvZ finals with every game from Ro16 an onwards being mass SH turtle. The fall out would be better than any game of starcraft could ever be.
Imbalance whine, sc2 dehd cries, and perhaps another satirical article from Ver is better than any game of starcraft?
You've got a weird taste.
I was 100% serious about everything I've ever said on the internet, so yes.
Still though, the community outrage would be funny. I actually think something like that happening could seriously damage the game. As much as we complain about bad marketing, lack of incentives for casuals on blah blah bah, if the gameplay degenerates into shit, none of that will matter.
On February 09 2014 09:21 Wombat_NI wrote: God, please work some magic HerO. I like viOLet but god, swarm hosts....
You don't like watching free units waddling awkwardly into lazors for 75 minutes!?! What do you think this is supposed to be, FUN?!?!
only bad zergs play like that. only bad protosses lose to that.
Define bad. Stepho does fine on EU GM with that style. If by bad you mean not top 15-20, then sure.
Yeah, I specifically meant someone like Stephano, Firecake and all the others. They would lose to someone like Myungsik, eMotion or Trend in no time with that. And those are not A-teamers.
He's part-time now I guess, but Stephano is a pretty damn solid player and above all strategically intelligent. I think you're doing him a disservice by making out like he's below every Korean B-teamer
Yeah but as you say he is part time. I also only said they would rip that turtle style of theirs apart, not that they are generally better. I mean, there IS a reason why no one in Korea is doing that.
Yeah, Koreans tend to be strangely slow in actually developing styles like these. Infestor abuse, Infestor/BL turtling and all I saw the NA and EU players experimenting and refining those well in advance of the majority of Korean Zergs.
Koreans obviously have the edge with execution and refinement, but they don't develop every strategical idea or style in the game
On February 09 2014 09:21 Wombat_NI wrote: God, please work some magic HerO. I like viOLet but god, swarm hosts....
You don't like watching free units waddling awkwardly into lazors for 75 minutes!?! What do you think this is supposed to be, FUN?!?!
only bad zergs play like that. only bad protosses lose to that.
Define bad. Stepho does fine on EU GM with that style. If by bad you mean not top 15-20, then sure.
Yeah, I specifically meant someone like Stephano, Firecake and all the others. They would lose to someone like Myungsik, eMotion or Trend in no time with that. And those are not A-teamers.
He's part-time now I guess, but Stephano is a pretty damn solid player and above all strategically intelligent. I think you're doing him a disservice by making out like he's below every Korean B-teamer
Yeah but as you say he is part time. I also only said they would rip that turtle style of theirs apart, not that they are generally better. I mean, there IS a reason why no one in Korea is doing that.
People in Korea are doing it, just not in GSL playoffs and PL. You are right that in the elite layer of Korean SC2, protoss players know how to stop this. That's a really small part of SC2 though.
On February 09 2014 09:21 Wombat_NI wrote: God, please work some magic HerO. I like viOLet but god, swarm hosts....
You don't like watching free units waddling awkwardly into lazors for 75 minutes!?! What do you think this is supposed to be, FUN?!?!
only bad zergs play like that. only bad protosses lose to that.
Define bad. Stepho does fine on EU GM with that style. If by bad you mean not top 15-20, then sure.
Yeah, I specifically meant someone like Stephano, Firecake and all the others. They would lose to someone like Myungsik, eMotion or Trend in no time with that. And those are not A-teamers.
He's part-time now I guess, but Stephano is a pretty damn solid player and above all strategically intelligent. I think you're doing him a disservice by making out like he's below every Korean B-teamer
Yeah but as you say he is part time. I also only said they would rip that turtle style of theirs apart, not that they are generally better. I mean, there IS a reason why no one in Korea is doing that.
Yeah, Koreans tend to be strangely slow in actually developing styles like these. Infestor abuse, Infestor/BL turtling and all I saw the NA and EU players experimenting and refining those well in advance of the majority of Korean Zergs.
Koreans obviously have the edge with execution and refinement, but they don't develop every strategical idea or style in the game
The cycle of strategies being used by Europeans, refined by Koreans and used on unsuspecting North Americans.
On February 09 2014 09:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On February 09 2014 09:37 Squat wrote:
On February 09 2014 09:36 stuchiu wrote:
On February 09 2014 09:35 Squat wrote:
On February 09 2014 09:30 Wombat_NI wrote: I seriously doubt that Soulkey and his ilk won't have worked on this style considering the amount of Protoss in GSL atm. The horror is just beginning
I can see it in my mind. Soulkey playing SH turtle at 700 APM, microing individual locusts all over the map to target down zealots and move around forcefields to snipe a sentry every third wave, abducting probes and chain fungaling anything that moves onto creep. It will be glorious.
God damn it. Parting Soul Train this fool.
My wish for GSL this year: 14 toss and 2 zergs, ZvZ finals with every game from Ro16 an onwards being mass SH turtle. The fall out would be better than any game of starcraft could ever be.
Imbalance whine, sc2 dehd cries, and perhaps another satirical article from Ver is better than any game of starcraft?
You've got a weird taste.
if the gameplay degenerates into shit, none of that will matter.
Even with no eyeballs and just small underground tournaments I would still watch SC2 10 years later if the gameplay was wicked but have never cared for things "just 'cause everyone watches it".
On February 09 2014 07:12 stuchiu wrote: No blink attack on Yeonsu Desrow? You have been excommunicated from the Churches of Anypro and Hongun. Don't ever come back.
comon man didn't you like the way I played :D ? I liked the way I played in g2 compared to g1 ^^ !
I love the stargate vs a factory opening. Protoss needs to start doing it more often. Not only allows to defend both widow mines and banshees but also followup harass with phoenixes.
On February 09 2014 10:15 ZenithM wrote: It's really like HerO to lose in a matchup heavily favoring other good Protosses though.
The rules don't apply to HerO. He beats a mass swarmhost turtle zerg, then goes 0-2 vs terran after scouting a banshee opening, taking no damage from it and delaying Gumiho's natural.
On February 09 2014 10:39 Mozdk wrote: Are all TvTs so scrabby?
Have seen AWESOME TvTs when Taeja, Maru, Flash, MVP, MMA, Innovation, Supernova etc played. So no. But maybe Terrans these days aren't used to play lots of TvTs anymore, since it is a dying matchup ;-)
On February 09 2014 11:04 coL.hendralisk wrote: the start of this game looked like me vs jjakji in the last na zotac cup.. same openers up to like 6:30 same spawns on same first map of the series
Hendra secretly == Hydra??? Notice how their names are similar
Really weird game from Hydra. Forcing your whole army through a small gap with a great concave of siegetanks, thors and hellbats greeting you from the high ground.
On February 09 2014 11:12 Loxley wrote: Really weird game from Hydra. Forcing your whole army through a small gap with a great concave of siegetanks, thors and hellbats greeting you from the high ground.
He was already committed to an all-in. You can't stay on roaches against mech for long.
On February 09 2014 11:04 coL.hendralisk wrote: the start of this game looked like me vs jjakji in the last na zotac cup.. same openers up to like 6:30 same spawns on same first map of the series
Hendra secretly == Hydra??? Notice how their names are similar
CJ hndra
omg even game 2 is on the same map as my series vs him!
On February 09 2014 11:12 Loxley wrote: Really weird game from Hydra. Forcing your whole army through a small gap with a great concave of siegetanks, thors and hellbats greeting you from the high ground.
He was already committed to an all-in. You can't stay on roaches against mech for long.
The weird thing is he got up to 71 drones while massing roaches, don't really agree with that count
On February 09 2014 11:12 Loxley wrote: Really weird game from Hydra. Forcing your whole army through a small gap with a great concave of siegetanks, thors and hellbats greeting you from the high ground.
He was already committed to an all-in. You can't stay on roaches against mech for long.
The weird thing is he got up to 71 drones while massing roaches, don't really agree with that count
On February 09 2014 11:12 Loxley wrote: Really weird game from Hydra. Forcing your whole army through a small gap with a great concave of siegetanks, thors and hellbats greeting you from the high ground.
He was already committed to an all-in. You can't stay on roaches against mech for long.
The weird thing is he got up to 71 drones while massing roaches, don't really agree with that count
split personality much?!
I know rite??? Those mass roaches could have been MORE DRONES
On February 09 2014 11:21 Mozdk wrote: Sorry for asking here, but the last 3 questions I've asked in the simple question thread, have been left unanswered.
That little floating logo next to hatch/nexus/cc. How do I get one and what are they called?
if you have a clan on b.net you can upload a clan decal, and it shows next to your main structures
On February 09 2014 11:21 Mozdk wrote: Sorry for asking here, but the last 3 questions I've asked in the simple question thread, have been left unanswered.
That little floating logo next to hatch/nexus/cc. How do I get one and what are they called?
Man, I like the commentating. Nice to hear people discussing stuff and not repeating what the other one just said, obviously not even listening to each other. Great casting.
On February 09 2014 11:36 Shellshock wrote: pretty sure jjakji moved to #1 terran on aligulac now after beating Polt and Dear today and winning this qualifier
On February 09 2014 11:36 Shellshock wrote: pretty sure jjakji moved to #1 terran on aligulac now after beating Polt and Dear today and winning this qualifier
On February 09 2014 11:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: So much for the Hydra redemption. Jjakji totally curb stomped him
He took out some good names on his way there though. Quality might not have been there for the finals but hey, at least he's not the worst player ever.
Oh boy, a Korean Terran living in Europe won the American qualifiers. I'm a huge fan of jjakji so part of me is happy he'll be there, but part of me is just sad there's not an American taking that spot
On February 09 2014 11:55 lilphil wrote: If I had over 9000 posts in this forum, I'd totally write that match fixing could be an issue in sc2. That was painful to watch :-(
Yeah because jjakji hasn't crushed everyone today. It's easy to look terrible when your opponent never makes a mistake. Allegations of match fixing is serious stuff so don't bring it up unless you have some concrete evidence.
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