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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:12 Heartland wrote: Okay, it's time for me to stop being a jerk now. ye you type Starbow jesus but guess what Beasty lost finals against both Goody and Nerchio offracing protoss now what? | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:12 SayfT wrote: I don't think it was an all-in, herO contained Inno and managed to expand and tech behind it, now if herO committed and attacked then it would have been a true all-in since he would need to do alot of damage to justify going for blink stalkers. Well that is also a problem. If you invest heavily into blink and gates you should be behind if you do no damage. But as it is now, containing protoss while you tech at home is basically enough damage so that the blink isn't an all in. So protoss is way to forgiving in early game. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:13 SpunXtain20 wrote: Innovation is playing vs protoss wrong... You can't expect to win a straight up army war vs protoss. It just doesn't happen - once they get their tier 3, their splash damage is just too high. You need to out-maneuvre them, harass them like crazy and edge out a lead before you fight. You can't rush head-on cause they'll always have nexus cannon advantage at home and splash damage will melt your bio. Need to pick away at the economy, tech buildings if you can, and slowly edge it out. Trying to go MMM straight up vs templar armies just ain't going to work. Medivacs are already so late cuz of blink pressure. And blink also makes drops very risky. Add to that HT and feedback, canons in mineral line, and it doesnt leave much room for drops and multi attacks | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:14 Levistus wrote: is there a code b tournament where the winner gets a code s spot?  They have done it before. Also, I don't think they have said what they are doing with jjakji's spot yet so they might do that wildcard tournament again. | ||
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SpunXtain20
Australia554 Posts
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:15 Fjodorov wrote: Medivacs are already so late cuz of blink pressure. And blink also makes drops very risky. Add to that HT and feedback, canons in mineral line, and it doesnt leave much room for drops and multi attacks I thought he was being sarcastic? | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:16 SpunXtain20 wrote: Acer really need to recruit a high level protoss; its pretty clear that without Trap and Dear to train with Innovation is really struggling in the matchup... He's not making the right decisions. What are the right decisions? Enlighten us | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24583 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:15 AlternativeEgo wrote: ye you type Starbow jesus but guess what Beasty lost finals against both Goody and Nerchio offracing protoss now what? Haha, did that really happen? awesome | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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DooMDash
United States1015 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:16 SpunXtain20 wrote: Acer really need to recruit a high level protoss; its pretty clear that without Trap and Dear to train with Innovation is really struggling in the matchup... He's not making the right decisions. I must have missed it, why is he not playing? | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:17 BlackCompany wrote: What are the right decisions? Enlighten us Switching to P. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:16 SpunXtain20 wrote: Acer really need to recruit a high level protoss; its pretty clear that without Trap and Dear to train with Innovation is really struggling in the matchup... He's not making the right decisions. I am sure he plays against a lot of high level protoss players on KR ladder. He can probably find a practice partner outside his team as well (like Soulkey practiced with Flash for his finals against Innovation). | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:16 SpunXtain20 wrote: Acer really need to recruit a high level protoss; its pretty clear that without Trap and Dear to train with Innovation is really struggling in the matchup... He's not making the right decisions. he played this well, the storm drop killed him. there is nothing more you can do vs blink that not dieing and hoping you're not too far behind in tech/eco. If you go for a 3rd cc off 3rax an ht push on 2bases kill you so you've got no other choice than getting raxes 4/5 and microing the fuck out of the game. + you can't drop too much because the P has blink. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:15 AlternativeEgo wrote: ye you type Starbow jesus but guess what Beasty lost finals against both Goody and Nerchio offracing protoss now what? Losing to protoss isn't vomit inducing in starbow | ||
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SpunXtain20
Australia554 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:15 Fjodorov wrote: Medivacs are already so late cuz of blink pressure. And blink also makes drops very risky. Add to that HT and feedback, canons in mineral line, and it doesnt leave much room for drops and multi attacks Honestly Innovation was late to realise when the aggression was over. He could have pushed those blink stalkers out a lot earlier and taken a much earlier third base and got his medivacs etc. up earlier I think. There was only 10-12 stalkers; granted they had blink but once he had 4 bunkers full of units he probably could have just pushed out maybe with a few SCVs if he didn't feel comfortable and secured his base. He needed to scout when the Protoss was transitioning earlier. | ||
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Tanzklaue
Germany1414 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:16 SpunXtain20 wrote: Acer really need to recruit a high level protoss; its pretty clear that without Trap and Dear to train with Innovation is really struggling in the matchup... He's not making the right decisions. i think it's less lack of practice partners (there will always be some high level protoss that wants to train with innovation) and more that you as a terran have almost no chance of beating this BS without flawless play from your side. | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:16 SpunXtain20 wrote: Acer really need to recruit a high level protoss; its pretty clear that without Trap and Dear to train with Innovation is really struggling in the matchup... He's not making the right decisions. I assure you Innovation has no problems in finding solid protoss practice partners, even if they're not on the same team. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:18 SpunXtain20 wrote: Honestly Innovation was late to realise when the aggression was over. He could have pushed those blink stalkers out a lot earlier and taken a much earlier third base and got his medivacs etc. up earlier I think. There was only 10-12 stalkers; granted they had blink but once he had 4 bunkers full of units he probably could have just pushed out maybe with a few SCVs if he didn't feel comfortable and secured his base. He needed to scout when the Protoss was transitioning earlier. then herO warps 6more stalker, double time warp and without medivacs you die. Shut up please. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On January 22 2014 20:19 DJHelium wrote: I assure you Innovation has no problems in finding solid protoss practice partners, even if they're not on the same team. What if he got Slayers'd | ||
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