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shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
January 13 2014 12:02 GMT
#401
well the games have been so crap, better hope this final one is worth the time.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 13 2014 12:02 GMT
#402
On January 13 2014 21:00 MajOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:58 sAsImre wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote:
this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb


any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?


Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran

no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened


which brings us to Taeja 1-1-1 follow up after his reaper expo i suppose. Which blows against other things (and all ins)
Zest fanboy.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
January 13 2014 12:02 GMT
#403
Oh well i guess Jin Air's gonna take it now :/
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
January 13 2014 12:02 GMT
#404
On January 13 2014 20:59 Fuell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 20:57 stuchiu wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:56 Fuell wrote:
i feel like a lot of people have super on anti


That's dumb, he was the MVP ace.

Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 20:57 sAsImre wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:56 Fuell wrote:
i feel a lot of people have super on anti


dunno why you would put MVP best player in the last teamleague on your anti when you can get DRG..

yea i have drg obv


well anti consists of 3 players so it's not like you can't have both :D
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 13 2014 12:03 GMT
#405
On January 13 2014 21:01 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 21:00 MajOr wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:58 sAsImre wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote:
this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb


any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?


Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran

no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened

so basically that shit is ALMOST unbeatable ?


P players are kind enough to just play in T hands most of the time atm. But if they make the correct call you're pretty fucked yes.
Zest fanboy.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
January 13 2014 12:03 GMT
#406
On January 13 2014 21:01 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 21:00 MajOr wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:58 sAsImre wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote:
this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb


any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?


Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran

no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened

so basically that shit is ALMOST unbeatable ?


Pretty much yes, that + PartinG's variation from yesterday are incredibly versatile and strong.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
January 13 2014 12:03 GMT
#407
They should of summoned the evil one, then MVP might of had a chance.
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
January 13 2014 12:03 GMT
#408
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Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
January 13 2014 12:04 GMT
#409
On January 13 2014 21:01 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 21:00 MajOr wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:58 sAsImre wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote:
this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb


any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?


Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran

no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened

so basically that shit is ALMOST unbeatable ?

no. if he didnt make bunker didnt make 3barracks and made factory instead of 3rd barrack than he ahead but thats mega risky cuz theres n oway to know if its bstalkler all in or not. its just bad game design + maps
Progamer
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
January 13 2014 12:04 GMT
#410
On January 13 2014 21:00 MajOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:58 sAsImre wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote:
this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb


any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?


Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran

no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened


I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
January 13 2014 12:04 GMT
#411
when did sOs win the last time, seems like forever, i see him only losing
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 13 2014 12:04 GMT
#412
On January 13 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 20:58 sAsImre wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote:
this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb


any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?


Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran


Yeah, scanning would work. However, you will have less marines for the blink-in. Again, it is the risk and reward. With protoss, they can see the entire defense with MSC and decide if they want to warp in more stalkers. If MSC vision was changed, at least they would have to do their all-in sort of blind which increases the risk/reward.
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
January 13 2014 12:04 GMT
#413
On January 13 2014 21:02 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 21:00 MajOr wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:58 sAsImre wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote:
this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb


any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?


Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran

no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened


which brings us to Taeja 1-1-1 follow up after his reaper expo i suppose. Which blows against other things (and all ins)

thats even worse vs blinstalker all in
Progamer
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12902 Posts
January 13 2014 12:05 GMT
#414
is this happening? MVP?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
January 13 2014 12:05 GMT
#415
Cure started 2/2, stopping viking production, and then needlessly fought the battle too early at his scv-less third..
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-13 12:08:33
January 13 2014 12:07 GMT
#416
On January 13 2014 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 21:00 MajOr wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:58 sAsImre wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote:
this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb


any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?


Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran

no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened


I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now


Two answers, either terran needs stronger ways to punish toss in the form of pressures and all-ins that can actually do harm, or toss needs some of its versatility to be toned down. There should be some sort of downside for investing into an all-in and not committing to it, and it should be punishable.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
January 13 2014 12:08 GMT
#417
On January 13 2014 21:05 m0ck wrote:
Cure started 2/2, stopping viking production, and then needlessly fought the battle too early at his scv-less third..

he had 2 medivacs 2 vikings cuz he had to cut factory too long cuz u dont know if its allin he has to start 2-2 cuz u can still take a 3rd and be out in the map as protoss and if u cut that and they hapen to keep upgrading and take a nexus ur dead.

how is terran supposed to know all this info? u can scan the 3rd but they still can be transitioning into templar after 3 collosus and upgrades and u cant really know unless u scan the 3bases at same time lol its just bad game design it cant be fair terra nhas 2 medivacs and 2 vikings vs 3 collosuss and cant even know if its all in or not :[
Progamer
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 13 2014 12:08 GMT
#418
On January 13 2014 21:04 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2014 21:00 MajOr wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:58 sAsImre wrote:
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote:
this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb


any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?


Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran

no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened


I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now


Or make blink-ins easier to hold so terrans don't have to play super safe with lots of bunkers (you need 4 on a lot of the maps, 2 in front of natural and 2 in main). time warp on the ramp makes terrans have to split their units so that is why you need bunkers. If no time warp, the terran could have his army near the ramp and be ready to defend both nature and the main with just 2 bunkers (1 in natural and 1 in main)
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
January 13 2014 12:09 GMT
#419
Super please cheese. Finish the job DRG left incomplete.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
January 13 2014 12:11 GMT
#420
Ugh shoulda fielded macro DRG
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