On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
which brings us to Taeja 1-1-1 follow up after his reaper expo i suppose. Which blows against other things (and all ins)
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
so basically that shit is ALMOST unbeatable ?
P players are kind enough to just play in T hands most of the time atm. But if they make the correct call you're pretty fucked yes.
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
so basically that shit is ALMOST unbeatable ?
Pretty much yes, that + PartinG's variation from yesterday are incredibly versatile and strong.
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
so basically that shit is ALMOST unbeatable ?
no. if he didnt make bunker didnt make 3barracks and made factory instead of 3rd barrack than he ahead but thats mega risky cuz theres n oway to know if its bstalkler all in or not. its just bad game design + maps
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
Yeah, scanning would work. However, you will have less marines for the blink-in. Again, it is the risk and reward. With protoss, they can see the entire defense with MSC and decide if they want to warp in more stalkers. If MSC vision was changed, at least they would have to do their all-in sort of blind which increases the risk/reward.
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
which brings us to Taeja 1-1-1 follow up after his reaper expo i suppose. Which blows against other things (and all ins)
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now
Two answers, either terran needs stronger ways to punish toss in the form of pressures and all-ins that can actually do harm, or toss needs some of its versatility to be toned down. There should be some sort of downside for investing into an all-in and not committing to it, and it should be punishable.
On January 13 2014 21:05 m0ck wrote: Cure started 2/2, stopping viking production, and then needlessly fought the battle too early at his scv-less third..
he had 2 medivacs 2 vikings cuz he had to cut factory too long cuz u dont know if its allin he has to start 2-2 cuz u can still take a 3rd and be out in the map as protoss and if u cut that and they hapen to keep upgrading and take a nexus ur dead.
how is terran supposed to know all this info? u can scan the 3rd but they still can be transitioning into templar after 3 collosus and upgrades and u cant really know unless u scan the 3bases at same time lol its just bad game design it cant be fair terra nhas 2 medivacs and 2 vikings vs 3 collosuss and cant even know if its all in or not :[
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now
Or make blink-ins easier to hold so terrans don't have to play super safe with lots of bunkers (you need 4 on a lot of the maps, 2 in front of natural and 2 in main). time warp on the ramp makes terrans have to split their units so that is why you need bunkers. If no time warp, the terran could have his army near the ramp and be ready to defend both nature and the main with just 2 bunkers (1 in natural and 1 in main)
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