Wow, Maru vs DongLeGue, what a Killer match up! The Mechanical Machine vs the Micro Maestro, which skill will prove to be the evenings most effective? We can only wait to find out
I think MVP wins 3-1. Either Dream or Keen lose their match.
DRG vs Maru could be sick or 2-rax bop.
On January 13 2014 08:08 Pr0wler wrote: MVP is not playing Sniper... That's beyond my comprehension.
Jin Air has no fan favorites to kill. Maru is making a name for himself, but I still don't think he's a good target for Sniper like a Flash or a Stork >.>
On January 13 2014 15:09 Shellshock wrote: I think the starting time in the OP is wrong. This is the second match of the day right? so it should be 2 hours later than listed atm
Lol FPL note my captain vs my anti time should be funny ^_^
On January 13 2014 15:09 Shellshock wrote: I think the starting time in the OP is wrong. This is the second match of the day right? so it should be 2 hours later than listed atm
On January 13 2014 15:09 Shellshock wrote: I think the starting time in the OP is wrong. This is the second match of the day right? so it should be 2 hours later than listed atm
On January 13 2014 19:44 Pandemona wrote: MARU PRIME TIME
Lol FPL note my captain vs my anti time should be funny ^_^
On January 13 2014 15:09 Shellshock wrote: I think the starting time in the OP is wrong. This is the second match of the day right? so it should be 2 hours later than listed atm
18:30 KST and 21:00 KST
18:30 and 20:30 usually
Yeah i meant 20:00. The extra half hour they added as of this week was so it just made it 30minutes earlier for both. so 90minutes a match or saink.
(T)Maru < Frost LE > (Z)DongRaeGu (P)sOs < Bel'Shir Vestige LE > (T)Dream (Z)Rogue (CliMax,Savage) < Sejong Research Station > (T)KeeN (T)Cure < Star Station TE > (P)Super
On January 13 2014 19:51 Fjodorov wrote: (T)Maru < Frost LE > (Z)DongRaeGu (P)sOs < Bel'Shir Vestige LE > (T)Dream (Z)Rogue (CliMax,Savage) < Sejong Research Station > (T)KeeN (T)Cure < Star Station TE > (P)Super
Ace: Outboxer
Maru vs Keen
Im feeling keen today! -_-
I'd like that, I have him on my FPL at the moment ^^
I can't see anything but a 3-0 unless DRG rolls back the years and show us WoL TvZ form. sOs vs Dream should finally get him a win. Then Rogue is Juan's Zerg Bonjwa so surely he beats Keen.
Do hope im wrong though and we see a good close series
On January 13 2014 19:55 Pandemona wrote: I can't see anything but a 3-0 unless DRG rolls back the years and show us WoL TvZ form. sOs vs Dream should finally get him a win. Then Rogue is Juan's Zerg Bonjwa so surely he beats Keen.
Do hope im wrong though and we see a good close series
DRG was the first to defeat Innovation in long macro games consistently, his ZvT is probably still some of the best.
On January 13 2014 19:55 Pandemona wrote: I can't see anything but a 3-0 unless DRG rolls back the years and show us WoL TvZ form. sOs vs Dream should finally get him a win. Then Rogue is Juan's Zerg Bonjwa so surely he beats Keen.
Do hope im wrong though and we see a good close series
DRG has won 9 straight BoX in ZvT Opponents were: Fantasy, MMA, GuMiho, INnoVation, Flash, Kop, Happy, Hack, Harrier. 17-3 in maps
On January 13 2014 19:55 Pandemona wrote: I can't see anything but a 3-0 unless DRG rolls back the years and show us WoL TvZ form. sOs vs Dream should finally get him a win. Then Rogue is Juan's Zerg Bonjwa so surely he beats Keen.
Do hope im wrong though and we see a good close series
DRG has won 9 straight BoX in ZvT Opponents were: Fantasy, MMA, GuMiho, INnoVation, Flash, Kop, Happy, Hack, Harrier. 17-3 in maps
Last of that was WCS KR Season 3? Or was it IEM Singapore?
On January 13 2014 19:55 Pandemona wrote: I can't see anything but a 3-0 unless DRG rolls back the years and show us WoL TvZ form. sOs vs Dream should finally get him a win. Then Rogue is Juan's Zerg Bonjwa so surely he beats Keen.
Do hope im wrong though and we see a good close series
DRG has won 9 straight BoX in ZvT Opponents were: Fantasy, MMA, GuMiho, INnoVation, Flash, Kop, Happy, Hack, Harrier. 17-3 in maps
Last of that was WCS KR Season 3? Or was it IEM Singapore?
2-0 against Harrier in the Code A qualifiers the other day although that's probably the one that means the least
On January 13 2014 19:55 Pandemona wrote: I can't see anything but a 3-0 unless DRG rolls back the years and show us WoL TvZ form. sOs vs Dream should finally get him a win. Then Rogue is Juan's Zerg Bonjwa so surely he beats Keen.
Do hope im wrong though and we see a good close series
DRG has won 9 straight BoX in ZvT Opponents were: Fantasy, MMA, GuMiho, INnoVation, Flash, Kop, Happy, Hack, Harrier. 17-3 in maps
wow hadn't realized he's been THAT sick city. brings back the memories of him slaying terran nerds in 2011.
On January 13 2014 19:55 Pandemona wrote: I can't see anything but a 3-0 unless DRG rolls back the years and show us WoL TvZ form. sOs vs Dream should finally get him a win. Then Rogue is Juan's Zerg Bonjwa so surely he beats Keen.
Do hope im wrong though and we see a good close series
DRG has won 9 straight BoX in ZvT Opponents were: Fantasy, MMA, GuMiho, INnoVation, Flash, Kop, Happy, Hack, Harrier. 17-3 in maps
So what youre saying is he's good against all of the terrans in the world except #1 right? (TAEJAAAAAAAAAA)
I just kid, those are mad stats - I had no idea! :o
On January 13 2014 19:55 Pandemona wrote: I can't see anything but a 3-0 unless DRG rolls back the years and show us WoL TvZ form. sOs vs Dream should finally get him a win. Then Rogue is Juan's Zerg Bonjwa so surely he beats Keen.
Do hope im wrong though and we see a good close series
DRG has won 9 straight BoX in ZvT Opponents were: Fantasy, MMA, GuMiho, INnoVation, Flash, Kop, Happy, Hack, Harrier. 17-3 in maps
Last of that was WCS KR Season 3? Or was it IEM Singapore?
2-0 against Harrier in the Code A qualifiers the other day although that's probably the one that means the least
On January 13 2014 19:55 Pandemona wrote: I can't see anything but a 3-0 unless DRG rolls back the years and show us WoL TvZ form. sOs vs Dream should finally get him a win. Then Rogue is Juan's Zerg Bonjwa so surely he beats Keen.
Do hope im wrong though and we see a good close series
DRG has won 9 straight BoX in ZvT Opponents were: Fantasy, MMA, GuMiho, INnoVation, Flash, Kop, Happy, Hack, Harrier. 17-3 in maps
Last of that was WCS KR Season 3? Or was it IEM Singapore?
2-0 against Harrier in the Code A qualifiers the other day although that's probably the one that means the least
Yeah just checked. He is 0-2 vs Maru as well ^_^
last game I remember vs Maru was a 2-rax in GSTL, DRG shit the bed all over that xD
why does drg insist on doing dumb crap like that? dude is becoming quite irrelevant. 6 pool is alright to break out in a series but it's just a waste in pl.
WTF sOs so dumb, he NEVER attacked the SCV to stop the 2nd bunker being made. WTF just randomly tried to kill a bunker with marines in it with probes 0.O
This is why BO1 is silly. Mainly due to what can be done in SC2, but having a BO1 like this has so far shown us two of the worst games in the matter of 10minutes. It takes longer for players to set up than to play the game ;_;
On January 13 2014 20:20 Pandemona wrote: This is why BO1 is silly. Mainly due to what can be done in SC2, but having a BO1 like this has so far shown us two of the worst games in the matter of 10minutes. It takes longer for players to set up than to play the game ;_;
an hilarious well design cheese is still far better than Creator being hopelessly rorolled... (going to lategame PvZ vs roro seems a bad idea, maybe P will learn...)
On January 13 2014 20:20 Pandemona wrote: This is why BO1 is silly. Mainly due to what can be done in SC2, but having a BO1 like this has so far shown us two of the worst games in the matter of 10minutes. It takes longer for players to set up than to play the game ;_;
an hilarious well design cheese is still far better than Creator being hopelessly rorolled... (going to lategame PvZ vs roro seems a bad idea, maybe P will learn...)
Fucking Roro. He makes late game Zerg look like shit, just like he is
On January 13 2014 20:17 NovaMB wrote: lol sOs 0-5?
is he seriously 0-5?
Yes. Was the worst investment in my FPL by far.
at least his value next season will tank, i think he's a good player still
I don't know, but I sure as hell won't take him back as captain...
generally it's a good idea to take one 1-pointer, and might as well make him your captain. the captain tie-breaker rarely comes into effect anyway, plus you'd never get to trade the 1-pointer haha
i remember one time i had fokins as my 1-pointer and he won a match lol
Once again I notice how much I like this map. It's very well designed in the way that it encourages a lot of harass and small scale engagements without screwing a race. Would like to see it on ladder.
On January 13 2014 20:41 LimitSEA wrote: Wolf's casting is so negative. Not sure if it's just something he's been doing of late, or if I'm only just noticing, but oi.
that was horrible play overall by Keen tho, micro wasn't good, no upgrades, no pressure... the only good thing was the depot lift off
On January 13 2014 20:40 opterown wrote: keen looks a tad off today, hrm. then again maybe i'm just too used to players like baby and maru
a little of both probably. I mean... he was floating like 1k-2k without starting more upgrades or adding production
And when your sat with 2-1 upgrades vs a mass muta flock you can't even kill them with your mass marines. Guess a bit to much was going on for Keen there to play like he wanted too.
On January 13 2014 20:31 sAsImre wrote: tanks, cool shit.
tanks blow
i know but the TY game renew my hope about cool tank play. (aka smart map abuse)
-___-. you can play every style after a successful 11/11.
was 11/12, i'm just more interested by map abuse with tanks (like against Z who take the gold on habitation station XD) than tank play in itself that just blow.
On January 13 2014 20:41 LimitSEA wrote: Wolf's casting is so negative. Not sure if it's just something he's been doing of late, or if I'm only just noticing, but oi.
Alright if Super wins and then wins the ace match too then this round will officially have been my best ever FPL round. Although I love Dream and I wouldn't mind seeing him in the ace match either
On January 13 2014 20:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Alright if Super wins and then wins the ace match too then this round will officially have been my best ever FPL round. Although I love Dream and I wouldn't mind seeing him in the ace match either
On January 13 2014 20:45 DarkLordOlli wrote: Alright if Super wins and then wins the ace match too then this round will officially have been my best ever FPL round. Although I love Dream and I wouldn't mind seeing him in the ace match either
Sorry, Super has to lose. No other outcome allowed. gotta make up for those Byul anti points
On January 13 2014 20:47 opterown wrote: hey i'm #1 in staff FPL atm just noticed wtf rofl
that's with roro on anti too
You baller
Damnit I had the best staff antiteam until last round, now Wax is ahead. Jin Air needs to stop winning so Terminator doesn't farm points without doing anything
this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
On January 13 2014 20:56 Fuell wrote: i feel a lot of people have super on anti
dunno why you would put MVP best player in the last teamleague on your anti when you can get DRG..
sounds smart in retrospect but it was hard to know whether DRG was gonna own or die this season, a gamble that could have gone either way really. same with super.
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
he had the info about the robo bay with a clutch scv scout but already commited to 3rax with add ons so you're fucked. And Super had 50probes, he can transition into a 3rd if he wants anyway.
On January 13 2014 20:56 Fuell wrote: i feel a lot of people have super on anti
dunno why you would put MVP best player in the last teamleague on your anti when you can get DRG..
sounds smart in retrospect but it was hard to know whether DRG was gonna own or die this season, a gamble that could have gone either way really. same with super.
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
On January 13 2014 20:56 Fuell wrote: i feel a lot of people have super on anti
dunno why you would put MVP best player in the last teamleague on your anti when you can get DRG..
sounds smart in retrospect but it was hard to know whether DRG was gonna own or die this season, a gamble that could have gone either way really. same with super.
well a gamble between a player that had one good series that managed to got him overhyped and one who's in the form of his life since mid 2013.
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
which brings us to Taeja 1-1-1 follow up after his reaper expo i suppose. Which blows against other things (and all ins)
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
so basically that shit is ALMOST unbeatable ?
P players are kind enough to just play in T hands most of the time atm. But if they make the correct call you're pretty fucked yes.
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
so basically that shit is ALMOST unbeatable ?
Pretty much yes, that + PartinG's variation from yesterday are incredibly versatile and strong.
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
so basically that shit is ALMOST unbeatable ?
no. if he didnt make bunker didnt make 3barracks and made factory instead of 3rd barrack than he ahead but thats mega risky cuz theres n oway to know if its bstalkler all in or not. its just bad game design + maps
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
Yeah, scanning would work. However, you will have less marines for the blink-in. Again, it is the risk and reward. With protoss, they can see the entire defense with MSC and decide if they want to warp in more stalkers. If MSC vision was changed, at least they would have to do their all-in sort of blind which increases the risk/reward.
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
which brings us to Taeja 1-1-1 follow up after his reaper expo i suppose. Which blows against other things (and all ins)
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now
Two answers, either terran needs stronger ways to punish toss in the form of pressures and all-ins that can actually do harm, or toss needs some of its versatility to be toned down. There should be some sort of downside for investing into an all-in and not committing to it, and it should be punishable.
On January 13 2014 21:05 m0ck wrote: Cure started 2/2, stopping viking production, and then needlessly fought the battle too early at his scv-less third..
he had 2 medivacs 2 vikings cuz he had to cut factory too long cuz u dont know if its allin he has to start 2-2 cuz u can still take a 3rd and be out in the map as protoss and if u cut that and they hapen to keep upgrading and take a nexus ur dead.
how is terran supposed to know all this info? u can scan the 3rd but they still can be transitioning into templar after 3 collosus and upgrades and u cant really know unless u scan the 3bases at same time lol its just bad game design it cant be fair terra nhas 2 medivacs and 2 vikings vs 3 collosuss and cant even know if its all in or not :[
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now
Or make blink-ins easier to hold so terrans don't have to play super safe with lots of bunkers (you need 4 on a lot of the maps, 2 in front of natural and 2 in main). time warp on the ramp makes terrans have to split their units so that is why you need bunkers. If no time warp, the terran could have his army near the ramp and be ready to defend both nature and the main with just 2 bunkers (1 in natural and 1 in main)
yeah games like these is what causes a lot of frustration because, even though there are always things you can do better, you really do feel powerless. Anyways, lets hope for a good game here in the ace
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now
Or make blink-ins easier to hold so terrans don't have to play super safe with lots of bunkers (you need 4 on a lot of the maps, 2 in front of natural and 2 in main). time warp on the ramp makes terrans have to split their units so that is why you need bunkers. If no time warp, the terran could have his army near the ramp and be ready to defend both nature and the main with just 2 bunkers (1 in natural and 1 in main)
I guess you could also blame maps for it. It's the same way in PvP, maps that aren't blink favored make it a lot easier to avoid coinflips. Blink is one of those things in PvP that just shits on others really hard if the map allows it. I loved Whirlwind/Daybreak type maps
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now
Two answers, either terran needs stronger ways to punish toss in the form of pressures and all-ins that can actually do harm, or toss needs some of its versatility to be toned down. There should be some sort of downside for investing into an all-in and not committing to it, and it should be punishable.
if terran COULD punish protoss .. that would be nice .. nah reducing versitility of protoss is not good
if terran could punish protoss they stupid things like this it would be nice .. so that we don't see them a-moving like what happened where terran has no fighting chance due to lack of appropriate units.
On January 13 2014 20:57 MajOr wrote: this is why tvp is stupid scout blink > gotta go 3rax toss < fake blink transition > terran have factory 2 slow and this happens but if u dont make 3rax mass unit and they blink all in you die. its mostly cuz maps tough still dumb
any tips against that? he scouted the robo bay so maybe two basing a lot and go for a yolo pull ?
Maybe scanning the natural for probe count? Super never stopped probe production but you would do that with an all in. I dunno how to terran
no they can still all in bstalker with 4gas cuz theres the variation of sentry +bstalker (maru vs zest on yeonsu) reason maru hold that again is cuz he he went 3barrack before factory if zest didnt commit to all in and did that sper just did same thing woulda happened
I see... so in other words, what terran really needs is a better scouting tool to figure out what's behind the stalkers/mothership core to figure out what exactly protoss is doing? I've been thinking that for a while now
Or make blink-ins easier to hold so terrans don't have to play super safe with lots of bunkers (you need 4 on a lot of the maps, 2 in front of natural and 2 in main). time warp on the ramp makes terrans have to split their units so that is why you need bunkers. If no time warp, the terran could have his army near the ramp and be ready to defend both nature and the main with just 2 bunkers (1 in natural and 1 in main)
I guess you could also blame maps for it. It's the same way in PvP, maps that aren't blink favored make it a lot easier to avoid coinflips. Blink is one of those things in PvP that just shits on others really hard if the map allows it. I loved Whirlwind/Daybreak type maps
Yeah but, making less maps that are blink-able isn't the solution either, that sort of architecture is another of those issues that limits map making a lot. The core of the issue should be addressed first.
On January 13 2014 21:05 m0ck wrote: Cure started 2/2, stopping viking production, and then needlessly fought the battle too early at his scv-less third..
he had 2 medivacs 2 vikings cuz he had to cut factory too long cuz u dont know if its allin he has to start 2-2 cuz u can still take a 3rd and be out in the map as protoss and if u cut that and they hapen to keep upgrading and take a nexus ur dead.
how is terran supposed to know all this info? u can scan the 3rd but they still can be transitioning into templar after 3 collosus and upgrades and u cant really know unless u scan the 3bases at same time lol its just bad game design it cant be fair terra nhas 2 medivacs and 2 vikings vs 3 collosuss and cant even know if its all in or not :[
Yeah, Im not denying its a tough spot, but Cure did make the wrong read/reaction
On January 13 2014 21:05 m0ck wrote: Cure started 2/2, stopping viking production, and then needlessly fought the battle too early at his scv-less third..
he had 2 medivacs 2 vikings cuz he had to cut factory too long cuz u dont know if its allin he has to start 2-2 cuz u can still take a 3rd and be out in the map as protoss and if u cut that and they hapen to keep upgrading and take a nexus ur dead.
how is terran supposed to know all this info? u can scan the 3rd but they still can be transitioning into templar after 3 collosus and upgrades and u cant really know unless u scan the 3bases at same time lol its just bad game design it cant be fair terra nhas 2 medivacs and 2 vikings vs 3 collosuss and cant even know if its all in or not :[
Yeah, Im not denying its a tough spot, but Cure did make the wrong read/reaction
What Major is trying to say, and you are missing. Is that, regardless of what you do, you will be in a tough spot as a terran, as in there isn't a correct decision to make.
i swear all protoss players are stupid. whats the point of making a 3rd nexus when terran going 5barrack off 2base ??? and not making 3rd cc THEY JUST DONT SCOUT THEY JUST MAKE STUFF JESUS CRIST
On January 13 2014 21:21 MajOr wrote: i swear all protoss players are stupid. whats the point of making a 3rd nexus when terran going 5barrack off 2base ??? and not making 3rd cc THEY JUST DONT SCOUT THEY JUST MAKE STUFF JESUS CRIST
haha yeah its some sort of auto pilot mode. Lets get every tech and 5 bases at once. Its ok I have 1 msc and a few units!
Wouldn't Super have been really safe with that third if he hadn't gotten the colossus sniped like that? He'd have been at 1/1, blink, charge was on the way and 2+ colossi. I don't think Maru could've broken that
On January 13 2014 21:21 Squat wrote: Maru vs toss is like a different match up.
he convinces toss to go for the worst possible build everytime.
He also convinces toss to not micro their oracles vs him, and to focus on marines and not SCVs.
and donate colossi. Tho the oracle was a good call by super if he targeted instantly the marines at the ramp or the one who popped up it was a free win
On January 13 2014 21:21 MajOr wrote: i swear all protoss players are stupid. whats the point of making a 3rd nexus when terran going 5barrack off 2base ??? and not making 3rd cc THEY JUST DONT SCOUT THEY JUST MAKE STUFF JESUS CRIST
haha yeah its some sort of auto pilot mode. Lets get every tech and 5 bases at once. Its ok I have 1 msc and a few units!
TBH Maru added the 2 last barracks when he saw the b3
On January 13 2014 21:24 DarkLordOlli wrote: Wouldn't Super have been really safe with that third if he hadn't gotten the colossus sniped like that? He'd have been at 1/1, blink, charge was on the way and 2+ colossi. I don't think Maru could've broken that
You can't split 1 colssus to defend you main and natural though. If Maru didn't get the snipe he would've dropped the shit out of Super.
On January 13 2014 21:24 DarkLordOlli wrote: Wouldn't Super have been really safe with that third if he hadn't gotten the colossus sniped like that? He'd have been at 1/1, blink, charge was on the way and 2+ colossi. I don't think Maru could've broken that
You can't split 1 colssus to defend you main and natural though. If Maru didn't get the snipe he would've dropped the shit out of Super.
Yeah but the second colossus wasn't far off and Super had blink + overcharge, 1/1 and charge on the way to defend drops
On January 13 2014 21:24 DarkLordOlli wrote: Wouldn't Super have been really safe with that third if he hadn't gotten the colossus sniped like that? He'd have been at 1/1, blink, charge was on the way and 2+ colossi. I don't think Maru could've broken that
You can't split 1 colssus to defend you main and natural though. If Maru didn't get the snipe he would've dropped the shit out of Super.
Yeah but the second colossus wasn't far off and Super had blink + overcharge, 1/1 and charge on the way to defend drops
But without time warp he loses the colossus 100%. So no overcharge. Could've gone better for sure, but over all it was too greedy considering he didn't scout what Maru was doing.
On January 13 2014 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote: Super reveals his mediocrity. Maru shows off.
code S mediocrity*
lol you must really like super to report that
lol, can you get warned for reporting stuff that shouldn't be reported? just curious
I don't know about that. But if you report too many things that ought not to be reported, they will take away your report button. Read this thread to see how it works.
On January 13 2014 21:24 DarkLordOlli wrote: Wouldn't Super have been really safe with that third if he hadn't gotten the colossus sniped like that? He'd have been at 1/1, blink, charge was on the way and 2+ colossi. I don't think Maru could've broken that
You can't split 1 colssus to defend you main and natural though. If Maru didn't get the snipe he would've dropped the shit out of Super.
Yeah but the second colossus wasn't far off and Super had blink + overcharge, 1/1 and charge on the way to defend drops
But without time warp he loses the colossus 100%. So no overcharge. Could've gone better for sure, but over all it was too greedy considering he didn't scout what Maru was doing.
I disagree, he simply forcefields the units away and walks the colossus out of range... but he wasn't watching so Maru was free to stim into range without zealots or forcefields blocking him
On January 13 2014 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote: Super reveals his mediocrity. Maru shows off.
code S mediocrity*
lol you must really like super to report that
lol, can you get warned for reporting stuff that shouldn't be reported? just curious
I don't know about that. But if you report too many things that ought not to be reported, they will take away your report button. Read this thread to see how it works.
Greetings to sAsImre.
Oh, interesting . Don't think it's worth it to ask about my stats yet though.
On January 13 2014 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote: Super reveals his mediocrity. Maru shows off.
code S mediocrity*
lol you must really like super to report that
lol, can you get warned for reporting stuff that shouldn't be reported? just curious
I don't know about that. But if you report too many things that ought not to be reported, they will take away your report button. Read this thread to see how it works.
Greetings to sAsImre.
Oh, interesting . Don't think it's worth it to ask about my stats yet though.
On January 13 2014 21:24 DarkLordOlli wrote: Wouldn't Super have been really safe with that third if he hadn't gotten the colossus sniped like that? He'd have been at 1/1, blink, charge was on the way and 2+ colossi. I don't think Maru could've broken that
You can't split 1 colssus to defend you main and natural though. If Maru didn't get the snipe he would've dropped the shit out of Super.
Yeah but the second colossus wasn't far off and Super had blink + overcharge, 1/1 and charge on the way to defend drops
But without time warp he loses the colossus 100%. So no overcharge. Could've gone better for sure, but over all it was too greedy considering he didn't scout what Maru was doing.
I disagree, he simply forcefields the units away and walks the colossus out of range... but he wasn't watching so Maru was free to stim into range without zealots or forcefields blocking him
Hm, might've to check the vod. But I don't think he had enough forcefields since he was going for double upgrades, charge and blink plus colossi.
On January 13 2014 21:20 Ghanburighan wrote: Super reveals his mediocrity. Maru shows off.
code S mediocrity*
lol you must really like super to report that
lol, can you get warned for reporting stuff that shouldn't be reported? just curious
I don't know about that. But if you report too many things that ought not to be reported, they will take away your report button. Read this thread to see how it works.
Greetings to sAsImre.
Oh, interesting . Don't think it's worth it to ask about my stats yet though.
On January 13 2014 21:35 Tanzklaue wrote: with all that hype around maru, let's not overlook that sOs is now 0-3.
he probably was more expensive than maru aswell, i really wonder why he can''t win anything in proleague atm.
Karma for the sins he committed at Blizzcon :/
or, he's just overrated
I never really got the impression that people hype him that much. Dear was/is overrated as fuck though.
Are you aware of how many protosses Maru can make crumble with his pressure and have seen anyone else that can stay collected and win against that?
Get out please.
I don't care what happened 3 months ago, fact is that dear lost the last few matches vs koreans, except roro, but cmon.. Ofc that doesn't mean he is bad, people made him look like the next bonjwa, he clearly isn't^^
Didn't watch the match, only saw DRG vs Maru just now. Disappointing to say the least, especially since iirc Maru usually drops a second depot before CC in TvZ.
On January 13 2014 23:10 DJHelium wrote: Didn't watch the match, only saw DRG vs Maru just now. Disappointing to say the least, especially since iirc Maru usually drops a second depot before CC in TvZ.
Dream vs. sOs was am inbase proxy rax+ bunker unscouted Keen vs. Rouge was a slaughter Super vs. Cure was fake Blink all-in into 2 base colossus all-in Super vs. Maru was greedy Protoss build(proxy Stargate into Blink/double Forge into 3rd base) into Maru taking him apart with 5 rax before 3rd CC. Last game was the best of the bunch I would say, but Super played really sloppy and Maru took full advantage
On January 13 2014 23:10 DJHelium wrote: Didn't watch the match, only saw DRG vs Maru just now. Disappointing to say the least, especially since iirc Maru usually drops a second depot before CC in TvZ.
Dream vs. sOs was am inbase proxy rax+ bunker unscouted Keen vs. Rouge was a slaughter Super vs. Cure was fake Blink all-in into 2 base colossus all-in Super vs. Maru was greedy Protoss build(proxy Stargate into Blink/double Forge into 3rd base) into Maru taking him apart with 5 rax before 3rd CC. Last game was the best of the bunch I would say, but Super played really sloppy and Maru took full advantage
Thank you! Will watch Ace match then, always enjoyable to watch Maru own toss!
I hope everyone realizes that Maru is about to break apart from the rest of the world. Similar to the way Flash came up at a young age in BW. Maru is literally going to win everything in 2014
Was short on time so I decided to watch the sOs vs Dream game based on the recommended votes. I'm confused, why did that game get overwhelmingly voted as an excellent game? Am I missing something?
On January 13 2014 21:35 Tanzklaue wrote: with all that hype around maru, let's not overlook that sOs is now 0-3.
he probably was more expensive than maru aswell, i really wonder why he can''t win anything in proleague atm.
Karma for the sins he committed at Blizzcon :/
He's had 2 Build Order loses, the game against TY was probably the worst map for PvT due to probably the worst map for drops and map abuse with the Main practically surrounded by open area, and then the ace match the first series where he just got hard countered by a greedy zerg. I don't think he's necessarily playing bad, just not being safe enough and scouting constantly and playing some tough opponents.
It show's a certain amount of respect that his opponents are cheesing almost every game because of his strength in the mid/late game.
On January 13 2014 21:35 Tanzklaue wrote: with all that hype around maru, let's not overlook that sOs is now 0-3.
he probably was more expensive than maru aswell, i really wonder why he can''t win anything in proleague atm.
Karma for the sins he committed at Blizzcon :/
He's had 2 Build Order loses, the game against TY was probably the worst map for PvT due to probably the worst map for drops and map abuse with the Main practically surrounded by open area, and then the ace match the first series where he just got hard countered by a greedy zerg. I don't think he's necessarily playing bad, just not being safe enough and scouting constantly and playing some tough opponents.
It show's a certain amount of respect that his opponents are cheesing almost every game because of his strength in the mid/late game.
the gods of SC2 are true negaters. All good results must be equalized with bad ones. sOs had a big win at Blizzcon, now he must pay dearly.
On January 14 2014 02:54 TimENT wrote: I hope everyone realizes that Maru is about to break apart from the rest of the world. Similar to the way Flash came up at a young age in BW. Maru is literally going to win everything in 2014
This might be true, but I feel players like DongRaeGu, Life and Innovation has given me the same feeling. I would love it to be the case though, seeing as he has an imo very entertaining playstyle!
everyone goes on about the book of major calling out innovation but noone remembers opterown calling maru #1 in the world a long, long time ago. hell, it was i who discovered he was #1 on ladder ;p
On January 14 2014 06:04 opterown wrote: everyone goes on about the book of major calling out innovation but noone remembers opterown calling maru #1 in the world a long, long time ago. hell, it was i who discovered he was #1 on ladder ;p
We all just assumed it was the insane ramblings of a Prime fan in denial.
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