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Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
December 01 2013 09:21 GMT
#841
This Zealot/Immortal/WP build is giving all sorts of hell to pro zergs as well, I see.

It's such a weird build because you kind of need hydras (unless you're Life), and Zealots chew up Hydras. Plus, when you factor in Protoss' ability to decide where the engagement happens, it really seems to be (as of right now) a build akin to the Soul Push, where if Protoss doesn't mess up his micro (in this case, with immortals being picked up and targetting), it's nigh impossible to stop.
I love crazymoving
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
December 01 2013 09:22 GMT
#842
On December 01 2013 18:09 KanoCoke wrote:
Bad crowd in Singapore by the looks of it.


I can confirm that. We're not responding well to the cues for applause / general oohs and aahs, and it feels like most people in the crowd aren't really into it. There are a lot of things going on around the competition venue and that hurts the mood too imo.
Year of MaxPax
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 01 2013 09:22 GMT
#843
On December 01 2013 18:15 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 18:13 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:12 BigFan wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:10 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:08 BigFan wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:04 Sabu113 wrote:
Well that and he forced a fight where the zealots were guaranteed to get connections with a gameplan that revolved around a ton of zealot buffer for 4-6 immortals (forgot how many). He has to get credit for where the fight took place. Wish we could get a quick replay of that engagement.

ya, agree. The roaches were eating full zealot shots all the time lol

On December 01 2013 18:05 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:02 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:01 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 17:58 Heartland wrote:
He would've been fine with Queens targeting the Prism.


Queen's die pretty fast with immortals target firing.


Not really. No bonus damage. I'm saying he needed more than the ones he had. They only cost minerals and have a long-range anti-air attack.


They are kind of slow. Like someone said, you have top prebuild 3-4 extra queens to counter the warp prism. And if the push doesn't come, you kind of wasted your resources.

spread creep?


Creep is not really a big deal in ZvP. Past the mid game, all Protoss armies will have obs. Plus with forcefields, Protoss don't really mind engaging on creep.

while I agree, having creep could mean the difference between a successful surround or a failed one since the protoss will have to react faster if they are on creep (if they didn't clean it up)


And the Protoss just recalls if it does get to that.

assuming the zerg didn't try to do a ling or roach runby once they left like life does earlier on in the game so the protoss left his MSc at home incase like herO did here(for the last part, not runby) My point? as Heartland mentioned, you're making it seem like it's impossible to hold when there are a lot of factors that come into play to get it to that stage


I am not saying it is impossible to hold. I am just saying that a lot of things have to go right for the Zerg. He kind of has to guess when the timing is coming. Protoss know they got scouted and can just delay the timing. Or they just mind game you and go ahead anyways. The execution is just far easier than the defense. Which was the core issue with the 1-1-1.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 01 2013 09:24 GMT
#844
On December 01 2013 18:19 aZealot wrote:
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On December 01 2013 18:18 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:16 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:15 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:13 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:12 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:10 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:08 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:07 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:05 vthree wrote:
[quote]

They are kind of slow. Like someone said, you have top prebuild 3-4 extra queens to counter the warp prism. And if the push doesn't come, you kind of wasted your resources.


He saw the push coming though. My point here is just that Zerg does have a way of microing/fighting Prism/Immo.


You can't start building Queens when you see the push come out, it is too late.


You try to stall the attack and pick off units before it arrives in your base when you face the Soul push. Also, he saw what was going on in the early game. Making two extra Queens wouldn't have killed him even if it was some kind of build that wasn't the soul push, but with scouting gases, the Robo and playing on Polar Night it should be easy to figure out. All I am saying here is that your clear-cut "It's impossible" stance isn't correct. Sc2 doesn't work like that. It's a far more fluid game with a lot more nuance and dynamic than your statement gives it credit for.


Just like the 1-1-1 was never impossible to hold?


Yeah, you're right, it wasn't.


But Protoss sure made it sound like it. And then immortals got buffed, gg.


Stop whining.


Only way to get buffed...


The bumhurt is strong with this one.


Lol, sad zealot fan club?
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
December 01 2013 09:24 GMT
#845
Sigh... As much as I love my Protoss brothers, I am seeing a bit too many PvP's lately
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 01 2013 09:26 GMT
#846
On December 01 2013 18:15 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 18:12 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:10 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:08 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:07 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:05 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:02 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:01 vthree wrote:
On December 01 2013 17:58 Heartland wrote:
He would've been fine with Queens targeting the Prism.


Queen's die pretty fast with immortals target firing.


Not really. No bonus damage. I'm saying he needed more than the ones he had. They only cost minerals and have a long-range anti-air attack.


They are kind of slow. Like someone said, you have top prebuild 3-4 extra queens to counter the warp prism. And if the push doesn't come, you kind of wasted your resources.


He saw the push coming though. My point here is just that Zerg does have a way of microing/fighting Prism/Immo.


You can't start building Queens when you see the push come out, it is too late.


You try to stall the attack and pick off units before it arrives in your base when you face the Soul push. Also, he saw what was going on in the early game. Making two extra Queens wouldn't have killed him even if it was some kind of build that wasn't the soul push, but with scouting gases, the Robo and playing on Polar Night it should be easy to figure out. All I am saying here is that your clear-cut "It's impossible" stance isn't correct. Sc2 doesn't work like that. It's a far more fluid game with a lot more nuance and dynamic than your statement gives it credit for.


Just like the 1-1-1 was never impossible to hold?


That's not even an appropriate reference to the 1-1-1. The 1-1-1 really should be compared to a much worse version of bl/infestor (in terms of free wins). Being forced to fight in a small compressed area where zealots out dps the roaches for hits while the 5 immortals aren't focused/cant be is just a twist of that race. It's like being sour about terrans bleeding extra efficiency in small unit situations, mutas or hell to use a sc1 analogy, tanks sitting in a nice position on the ridge between your main and your expo.


It is very similar to the 1-1-1. An early game all-in push that is very hard (especially if the Protoss micros well) to hold even if you scout it.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24602 Posts
December 01 2013 09:26 GMT
#847
On December 01 2013 18:24 hansonslee wrote:
Sigh... As much as I love my Protoss brothers, I am seeing a bit too many PvP's lately


Yeah, DH last night was crazy with the PvPs!
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
December 01 2013 09:29 GMT
#848
On December 01 2013 18:26 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 18:24 hansonslee wrote:
Sigh... As much as I love my Protoss brothers, I am seeing a bit too many PvP's lately


Yeah, DH last night was crazy with the PvPs!


Umm... WCG 2013? Redbull Battlegrounds?
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 01 2013 09:29 GMT
#849
On December 01 2013 18:29 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 18:26 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:24 hansonslee wrote:
Sigh... As much as I love my Protoss brothers, I am seeing a bit too many PvP's lately


Yeah, DH last night was crazy with the PvPs!


Umm... WCG 2013? Redbull Battlegrounds?


He said DH LAST NIGHT WAS CRAZY WITH PVPS
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tns
Profile Joined June 2011
1054 Posts
December 01 2013 09:29 GMT
#850
Bad manner x)
firebathero miss u♥! http://youtu.be/AXkoG9GnpcM - 1998/11/30 to 2001/05/18 BW stabilized! - WoL v.alpha HotS v.beta LotD v.gamma... summer 2017 SC3 (sc1remastered)
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
December 01 2013 09:30 GMT
#851
Redeye really loves awkward :D
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-01 09:30:31
December 01 2013 09:30 GMT
#852
On December 01 2013 18:29 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 18:29 hansonslee wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:26 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:24 hansonslee wrote:
Sigh... As much as I love my Protoss brothers, I am seeing a bit too many PvP's lately


Yeah, DH last night was crazy with the PvPs!


Umm... WCG 2013? Redbull Battlegrounds?


He said DH LAST NIGHT WAS CRAZY WITH PVPS


Oh, my bad. Sorry, my sarcasm radar was having a false positive. ><
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
tns
Profile Joined June 2011
1054 Posts
December 01 2013 09:30 GMT
#853
On December 01 2013 18:30 Yhamm wrote:
Redeye really loves awkward :D

I hope we get a youtube video of that later on x)
firebathero miss u♥! http://youtu.be/AXkoG9GnpcM - 1998/11/30 to 2001/05/18 BW stabilized! - WoL v.alpha HotS v.beta LotD v.gamma... summer 2017 SC3 (sc1remastered)
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 01 2013 09:30 GMT
#854
On December 01 2013 18:26 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 18:24 hansonslee wrote:
Sigh... As much as I love my Protoss brothers, I am seeing a bit too many PvP's lately


Yeah, DH last night was crazy with the PvPs!


Interesting. DHW had very few mirrors in the bracelet stages. 1 TvT, 2 PvP and 0 ZvZ
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 01 2013 09:31 GMT
#855
On December 01 2013 18:30 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 18:29 stuchiu wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:29 hansonslee wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:26 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:24 hansonslee wrote:
Sigh... As much as I love my Protoss brothers, I am seeing a bit too many PvP's lately


Yeah, DH last night was crazy with the PvPs!


Umm... WCG 2013? Redbull Battlegrounds?


He said DH LAST NIGHT WAS CRAZY WITH PVPS


Oh, my bad. Sorry, my sarcasm radar was having a false positive. ><

it's ok, those things are incredibly faulty =/
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24602 Posts
December 01 2013 09:31 GMT
#856
On December 01 2013 18:30 Yhamm wrote:
Redeye really loves awkward :D


Redeye is like the antithesis of awkward. He could be surprised backstage wearing Borat's swimsuit and he'd still be cool as ice.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
December 01 2013 09:32 GMT
#857
On December 01 2013 18:31 Goibon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 18:30 hansonslee wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:29 stuchiu wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:29 hansonslee wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:26 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:24 hansonslee wrote:
Sigh... As much as I love my Protoss brothers, I am seeing a bit too many PvP's lately


Yeah, DH last night was crazy with the PvPs!


Umm... WCG 2013? Redbull Battlegrounds?


He said DH LAST NIGHT WAS CRAZY WITH PVPS


Oh, my bad. Sorry, my sarcasm radar was having a false positive. ><

it's ok, those things are incredibly faulty =/


But, they told me that it would work in real life! Curse the internets
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24602 Posts
December 01 2013 09:34 GMT
#858
On December 01 2013 18:32 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 18:31 Goibon wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:30 hansonslee wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:29 stuchiu wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:29 hansonslee wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:26 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:24 hansonslee wrote:
Sigh... As much as I love my Protoss brothers, I am seeing a bit too many PvP's lately


Yeah, DH last night was crazy with the PvPs!


Umm... WCG 2013? Redbull Battlegrounds?


He said DH LAST NIGHT WAS CRAZY WITH PVPS


Oh, my bad. Sorry, my sarcasm radar was having a false positive. ><

it's ok, those things are incredibly faulty =/


But, they told me that it would work in real life! Curse the internets


Would you be interested in purchasing this stone that scares off tigers?
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
December 01 2013 09:37 GMT
#859
On December 01 2013 18:34 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 18:32 hansonslee wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:31 Goibon wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:30 hansonslee wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:29 stuchiu wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:29 hansonslee wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:26 Heartland wrote:
On December 01 2013 18:24 hansonslee wrote:
Sigh... As much as I love my Protoss brothers, I am seeing a bit too many PvP's lately


Yeah, DH last night was crazy with the PvPs!


Umm... WCG 2013? Redbull Battlegrounds?


He said DH LAST NIGHT WAS CRAZY WITH PVPS


Oh, my bad. Sorry, my sarcasm radar was having a false positive. ><

it's ok, those things are incredibly faulty =/


But, they told me that it would work in real life! Curse the internets


Would you be interested in purchasing this stone that scares off tigers?


Ugh, Idk anymore! Been scammed hard ;_;
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
December 01 2013 09:37 GMT
#860
any recommendate games today?
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
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