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iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
November 16 2013 17:57 GMT
#1081
On November 17 2013 02:53 vthree wrote:
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On November 17 2013 02:46 iSunrise wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:44 Shikyo wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:43 iSunrise wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:41 Bagration wrote:
Holy shit ToD is tilted. He had basically gotten himself a ticket to the Ro8 of HSC, but now he'll probably just lose 4 games and get eliminated.

That´s life. You´re on the top, then the map decided who´s gonna win. He still had ways to kill the vikings, but hiding in corners wins game, so let´s play HIDE and SEEK from now on.

No it doesn't, it gives you a chance for a draw. It's a racial trait of the Terran and perfectly fair as well.

There´s nothing fair about that. Just because you accepted that doesn´t make it fair.

Yes, i know it´s considered fair, but get your facts straight.

What would have been fair is when ToD didn´t have any unit anymore that could have shot air units. He had though, so it´s the map.


So what, plenty of toss wins come from one Forcefield wide ramps with warp prism drops. You have to take map features into account when you play. Blink all-in works better on some map than others, same with harass and drops. Some maps are just better for it.

Yes, but this situation allowed him to force a tie. All the other examples you are pointing out don´t do that. These are just examples how to use the map to your advantage, which is perfectly OK.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 16 2013 17:58 GMT
#1082
On November 17 2013 02:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
How bad does it feel to be Tod right now?


On a scale of 1 to Slayers_Jessica, probably half a Jessica
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 16 2013 17:58 GMT
#1083
The problem is To doesn't have enough army to defend all locations appropately, he has to gamble and hope he gets lucky.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14462 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 17:58:39
November 16 2013 17:58 GMT
#1084
On November 17 2013 02:58 Zealously wrote:
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On November 17 2013 02:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
How bad does it feel to be Tod right now?


On a scale of 1 to Slayers_Jessica, probably half a Jessica

Rofl.
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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
November 16 2013 17:59 GMT
#1085
Not enough Naniwa in Tod to break so many bunkers
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14462 Posts
November 16 2013 17:59 GMT
#1086
What the fuck is happening ? I don't understand this game. ._.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 16 2013 17:59 GMT
#1087
On November 17 2013 02:57 iSunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 02:53 vthree wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:46 iSunrise wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:44 Shikyo wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:43 iSunrise wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:41 Bagration wrote:
Holy shit ToD is tilted. He had basically gotten himself a ticket to the Ro8 of HSC, but now he'll probably just lose 4 games and get eliminated.

That´s life. You´re on the top, then the map decided who´s gonna win. He still had ways to kill the vikings, but hiding in corners wins game, so let´s play HIDE and SEEK from now on.

No it doesn't, it gives you a chance for a draw. It's a racial trait of the Terran and perfectly fair as well.

There´s nothing fair about that. Just because you accepted that doesn´t make it fair.

Yes, i know it´s considered fair, but get your facts straight.

What would have been fair is when ToD didn´t have any unit anymore that could have shot air units. He had though, so it´s the map.


So what, plenty of toss wins come from one Forcefield wide ramps with warp prism drops. You have to take map features into account when you play. Blink all-in works better on some map than others, same with harass and drops. Some maps are just better for it.

Yes, but this situation allowed him to force a tie. All the other examples you are pointing out don´t do that. These are just examples how to use the map to your advantage, which is perfectly OK.


It's essentially the same thing. One wins you the game, one prevents you from losing it. In both cases, you get to play another game.
Theoretically, you could have enough sentries in a base race to forcefield a ramp forever and force a draw. It's almost impossible to design a game like SC without such situations being possible somehow, on some map.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 16 2013 17:59 GMT
#1088
On November 17 2013 02:58 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 02:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
How bad does it feel to be Tod right now?


On a scale of 1 to Slayers_Jessica, probably half a Jessica


Eh I really don't get that analogy.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 16 2013 18:00 GMT
#1089
On November 17 2013 02:57 TheDwf wrote:
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On November 17 2013 02:55 DJHelium wrote:
Downfall, now that you're here. How does a perfect defense against this 5 gate blink build play out? I always either lose the game or sac my natural, falling behind.

Say you scout it and go for a standard 3 rax opening.

I think you're automatically behind with a 3 rax transition against this. You have to hit a money timing like Happy did, or Protoss will just steamroll you with his lead.


Kk, so what opening is good vs this? WM drop does a lot of damage I guess.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 16 2013 18:00 GMT
#1090
On November 17 2013 02:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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On November 17 2013 02:54 stuchiu wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:49 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:48 TeeTS wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:41 zev318 wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:38 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:34 Fjodorov wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:30 Zealously wrote:
[quote]

Because people are always so eager to shit on pros while sitting in their own comfortable homes with full access to both information and casting. Of course there were ways for Tod to win that game. With zero pressure, he would have won it. But pressure has an effect on you that most people on TL seem to not understand. It bothers me to no end.


Thats a part of what makes a good player good and other players worse. So calling it bad when he fails to cope with the pressure in a pro game isnt wrong. One player makes huge mistakes because of not being able to handle the pressure: thats bad. Deal with it.


There is a difference between accepting that a played didn't play well and saying something like this

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On November 17 2013 02:23 Bagration wrote:
So fucking bad. You fucking hallocinate fake Void Ray. Jesus christ

On November 17 2013 02:27 Bagration wrote:
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On November 17 2013 02:26 Scarecrow wrote:
Happy has no honor, disgusting play


The only disgusting play I saw that game was from ToD. Absolutely brainless, like an AI


I mean, it's not like it's wrong, but it's certainly not fully taking into account the kind of pressure you're under when you're playing for money in a tournament setting.


i hope you dont watch sports.


I do, and it bothers me just as much when people make some kind of stupid comment like "even I would have scored in that situation" when discussing a Champions' League match or some shit. In most cases it's bullshit because it's so much easier to shit on people when you haven't been in a high-pressure competition yourself.


It´s not that this is a debut tournament for ToD so... He is a very experienced pro gamer/semi pro!


So are HerO and Marineking and they've had their fair share of choking as well.


I just wanna add Bomber to this list so you don't walk away with a win


You want to, but losing to sOs is hardly a choke.


Same goes for HerO. WHAT NOW


Bomber won a championship this year
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 16 2013 18:00 GMT
#1091
On November 17 2013 02:59 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 02:58 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
How bad does it feel to be Tod right now?


On a scale of 1 to Slayers_Jessica, probably half a Jessica


Eh I really don't get that analogy.


Me neither, I would feel pretty good if I was married to Boxer.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 16 2013 18:00 GMT
#1092
On November 17 2013 02:57 ImperialFist wrote:
what is everyone talking about? Tod won the game, funny how people do not understand this match-up at all.

Game of throws been going on all day. It ain't over until it's over ~_~.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 18:01:19
November 16 2013 18:01 GMT
#1093
On November 17 2013 02:59 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 02:58 Zealously wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
How bad does it feel to be Tod right now?


On a scale of 1 to Slayers_Jessica, probably half a Jessica


Eh I really don't get that analogy.


What, you weren't around when Jessica rained down angry tweets and statements about essentially all of slayers because she felt like they'd all betrayed her?
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 16 2013 18:01 GMT
#1094
On November 17 2013 03:00 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 02:57 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:55 DJHelium wrote:
Downfall, now that you're here. How does a perfect defense against this 5 gate blink build play out? I always either lose the game or sac my natural, falling behind.

Say you scout it and go for a standard 3 rax opening.

I think you're automatically behind with a 3 rax transition against this. You have to hit a money timing like Happy did, or Protoss will just steamroll you with his lead.


Kk, so what opening is good vs this? WM drop does a lot of damage I guess.

Yes, or 2 rax Medivacs.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
November 16 2013 18:02 GMT
#1095
Titan wins over Stardust.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 16 2013 18:02 GMT
#1096
GG!!! TITAN!!!!!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 16 2013 18:02 GMT
#1097
wtf Happy vs ToD is still on?! c'mon already

didn't these two once play one of the worst series ever at HSC before? Or was that someone else
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
November 16 2013 18:02 GMT
#1098
NOOOOO StarDust
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
November 16 2013 18:02 GMT
#1099
On November 17 2013 03:01 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:00 DJHelium wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:57 TheDwf wrote:
On November 17 2013 02:55 DJHelium wrote:
Downfall, now that you're here. How does a perfect defense against this 5 gate blink build play out? I always either lose the game or sac my natural, falling behind.

Say you scout it and go for a standard 3 rax opening.

I think you're automatically behind with a 3 rax transition against this. You have to hit a money timing like Happy did, or Protoss will just steamroll you with his lead.


Kk, so what opening is good vs this? WM drop does a lot of damage I guess.

Yes, or 2 rax Medivacs.


I've been learning 2 rax medivacs recently, I really like it. Thanks for answer!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
November 16 2013 18:02 GMT
#1100
If happy gets ghost viking in mass numbers tod will lose. He wont be able to keep observers up.
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