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On November 17 2013 02:53 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:46 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 02:44 Shikyo wrote:On November 17 2013 02:43 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 02:41 Bagration wrote:
Holy shit ToD is tilted. He had basically gotten himself a ticket to the Ro8 of HSC, but now he'll probably just lose 4 games and get eliminated. That´s life. You´re on the top, then the map decided who´s gonna win. He still had ways to kill the vikings, but hiding in corners wins game, so let´s play HIDE and SEEK from now on. No it doesn't, it gives you a chance for a draw. It's a racial trait of the Terran and perfectly fair as well. There´s nothing fair about that. Just because you accepted that doesn´t make it fair. Yes, i know it´s considered fair, but get your facts straight. What would have been fair is when ToD didn´t have any unit anymore that could have shot air units. He had though, so it´s the map. So what, plenty of toss wins come from one Forcefield wide ramps with warp prism drops. You have to take map features into account when you play. Blink all-in works better on some map than others, same with harass and drops. Some maps are just better for it.
Yes, but this situation allowed him to force a tie. All the other examples you are pointing out don´t do that. These are just examples how to use the map to your advantage, which is perfectly OK.
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On November 17 2013 02:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
How bad does it feel to be Tod right now?
On a scale of 1 to Slayers_Jessica, probably half a Jessica
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The problem is To doesn't have enough army to defend all locations appropately, he has to gamble and hope he gets lucky.
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On November 17 2013 02:58 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
How bad does it feel to be Tod right now? On a scale of 1 to Slayers_Jessica, probably half a Jessica
Rofl.
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Not enough Naniwa in Tod to break so many bunkers
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What the fuck is happening ? I don't understand this game. ._.
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On November 17 2013 02:57 iSunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:53 vthree wrote:On November 17 2013 02:46 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 02:44 Shikyo wrote:On November 17 2013 02:43 iSunrise wrote:On November 17 2013 02:41 Bagration wrote:
Holy shit ToD is tilted. He had basically gotten himself a ticket to the Ro8 of HSC, but now he'll probably just lose 4 games and get eliminated. That´s life. You´re on the top, then the map decided who´s gonna win. He still had ways to kill the vikings, but hiding in corners wins game, so let´s play HIDE and SEEK from now on. No it doesn't, it gives you a chance for a draw. It's a racial trait of the Terran and perfectly fair as well. There´s nothing fair about that. Just because you accepted that doesn´t make it fair. Yes, i know it´s considered fair, but get your facts straight. What would have been fair is when ToD didn´t have any unit anymore that could have shot air units. He had though, so it´s the map. So what, plenty of toss wins come from one Forcefield wide ramps with warp prism drops. You have to take map features into account when you play. Blink all-in works better on some map than others, same with harass and drops. Some maps are just better for it. Yes, but this situation allowed him to force a tie. All the other examples you are pointing out don´t do that. These are just examples how to use the map to your advantage, which is perfectly OK.
It's essentially the same thing. One wins you the game, one prevents you from losing it. In both cases, you get to play another game.
Theoretically, you could have enough sentries in a base race to forcefield a ramp forever and force a draw. It's almost impossible to design a game like SC without such situations being possible somehow, on some map.
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On November 17 2013 02:58 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
How bad does it feel to be Tod right now? On a scale of 1 to Slayers_Jessica, probably half a Jessica
Eh I really don't get that analogy.
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On November 17 2013 02:57 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:55 DJHelium wrote:
Downfall, now that you're here. How does a perfect defense against this 5 gate blink build play out? I always either lose the game or sac my natural, falling behind.
Say you scout it and go for a standard 3 rax opening. I think you're automatically behind with a 3 rax transition against this. You have to hit a money timing like Happy did, or Protoss will just steamroll you with his lead.
Kk, so what opening is good vs this? WM drop does a lot of damage I guess.
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On November 17 2013 02:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:54 stuchiu wrote:On November 17 2013 02:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 17 2013 02:49 Zealously wrote:On November 17 2013 02:48 TeeTS wrote:On November 17 2013 02:43 Zealously wrote:On November 17 2013 02:41 zev318 wrote:On November 17 2013 02:38 Zealously wrote:On November 17 2013 02:34 Fjodorov wrote:On November 17 2013 02:30 Zealously wrote:
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Because people are always so eager to shit on pros while sitting in their own comfortable homes with full access to both information and casting. Of course there were ways for Tod to win that game. With zero pressure, he would have won it. But pressure has an effect on you that most people on TL seem to not understand. It bothers me to no end. Thats a part of what makes a good player good and other players worse. So calling it bad when he fails to cope with the pressure in a pro game isnt wrong. One player makes huge mistakes because of not being able to handle the pressure: thats bad. Deal with it. There is a difference between accepting that a played didn't play well and saying something like this + Show Spoiler +On November 17 2013 02:23 Bagration wrote:
So fucking bad. You fucking hallocinate fake Void Ray. Jesus christ On November 17 2013 02:27 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:26 Scarecrow wrote:
Happy has no honor, disgusting play The only disgusting play I saw that game was from ToD. Absolutely brainless, like an AI I mean, it's not like it's wrong, but it's certainly not fully taking into account the kind of pressure you're under when you're playing for money in a tournament setting. i hope you dont watch sports. I do, and it bothers me just as much when people make some kind of stupid comment like "even I would have scored in that situation" when discussing a Champions' League match or some shit. In most cases it's bullshit because it's so much easier to shit on people when you haven't been in a high-pressure competition yourself. It´s not that this is a debut tournament for ToD so... He is a very experienced pro gamer/semi pro! So are HerO and Marineking and they've had their fair share of choking as well. I just wanna add Bomber to this list so you don't walk away with a win You want to, but losing to sOs is hardly a choke. Same goes for HerO. WHAT NOW
Bomber won a championship this year
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On November 17 2013 02:59 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:58 Zealously wrote:On November 17 2013 02:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
How bad does it feel to be Tod right now? On a scale of 1 to Slayers_Jessica, probably half a Jessica Eh I really don't get that analogy.
Me neither, I would feel pretty good if I was married to Boxer.
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On November 17 2013 02:57 ImperialFist wrote:
what is everyone talking about? Tod won the game, funny how people do not understand this match-up at all.
Game of throws been going on all day. It ain't over until it's over ~_~.
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On November 17 2013 02:59 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:58 Zealously wrote:On November 17 2013 02:56 sparklyresidue wrote:
How bad does it feel to be Tod right now? On a scale of 1 to Slayers_Jessica, probably half a Jessica Eh I really don't get that analogy.
What, you weren't around when Jessica rained down angry tweets and statements about essentially all of slayers because she felt like they'd all betrayed her?
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On November 17 2013 03:00 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 02:57 TheDwf wrote:On November 17 2013 02:55 DJHelium wrote:
Downfall, now that you're here. How does a perfect defense against this 5 gate blink build play out? I always either lose the game or sac my natural, falling behind.
Say you scout it and go for a standard 3 rax opening. I think you're automatically behind with a 3 rax transition against this. You have to hit a money timing like Happy did, or Protoss will just steamroll you with his lead. Kk, so what opening is good vs this? WM drop does a lot of damage I guess.
Yes, or 2 rax Medivacs.
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Titan wins over Stardust.
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wtf Happy vs ToD is still on?! c'mon already
didn't these two once play one of the worst series ever at HSC before? Or was that someone else
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NOOOOO StarDust 
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On November 17 2013 03:01 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 03:00 DJHelium wrote:On November 17 2013 02:57 TheDwf wrote:On November 17 2013 02:55 DJHelium wrote:
Downfall, now that you're here. How does a perfect defense against this 5 gate blink build play out? I always either lose the game or sac my natural, falling behind.
Say you scout it and go for a standard 3 rax opening. I think you're automatically behind with a 3 rax transition against this. You have to hit a money timing like Happy did, or Protoss will just steamroll you with his lead. Kk, so what opening is good vs this? WM drop does a lot of damage I guess. Yes, or 2 rax Medivacs.
I've been learning 2 rax medivacs recently, I really like it. Thanks for answer!
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If happy gets ghost viking in mass numbers tod will lose. He wont be able to keep observers up.
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