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On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:45 LimitSEA wrote:On October 09 2013 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:41 forsooth wrote:
Well, my liquibets are fucked but I'm more annoyed that we got one of the most boring possible matchups for the finals. It's not quite end-WoL ZvZ snorefest level, but it's not far from it either. PvZ is the best non-mirror in HotS, if we talk about strategic variety. TvP and TvZ suck in that regard for sure. Strategic variety, it definitely is more versatile. But entertainment wise? ZvT is much more fun. I suppose that's subjective, though. Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D
Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams 
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Austria24417 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:46 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 20:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 09 2013 20:43 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:41 forsooth wrote:
Well, my liquibets are fucked but I'm more annoyed that we got one of the most boring possible matchups for the finals. It's not quite end-WoL ZvZ snorefest level, but it's not far from it either. PvZ is the best non-mirror in HotS, if we talk about strategic variety. TvP and TvZ suck in that regard for sure. Off the top of your head, whats the best PvZ in recent memory? HerO vs Jaedong, HerO vs Hyun at IEM Especially HerO vs Jaedong, that game had about a million tech switches without ever remaining on a single one. No breathing allowed, constant fights, constant decisions on the fly. And sick control. damn man i think HerO vs. HerO is the best game of all time
But that would be a onesided slaughter in favor of HerO :/
Maybe it's my protoss bias but those games were just the most all around well played PvZ from a protoss perspective I've seen in HotS against good opposition. Hyun kind of got wrecked though.
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
On October 09 2013 20:50 liberate71 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:45 LimitSEA wrote:On October 09 2013 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:41 forsooth wrote:
Well, my liquibets are fucked but I'm more annoyed that we got one of the most boring possible matchups for the finals. It's not quite end-WoL ZvZ snorefest level, but it's not far from it either. PvZ is the best non-mirror in HotS, if we talk about strategic variety. TvP and TvZ suck in that regard for sure. Strategic variety, it definitely is more versatile. But entertainment wise? ZvT is much more fun. I suppose that's subjective, though. Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams
Pfft, good tosses would start to go full Ryung and just snipe all the bases zerg tries to take behind the turtling, while poking away with deathball and expanding themselves with transition into whatever.
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Oh well, just noticed that now it seems like we end up in a circle:
jjakji>soO>Soulkey>Rain>Trap>jjakji.
Dammit soO :D
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On October 09 2013 20:53 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 20:50 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:45 LimitSEA wrote:On October 09 2013 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:41 forsooth wrote:
Well, my liquibets are fucked but I'm more annoyed that we got one of the most boring possible matchups for the finals. It's not quite end-WoL ZvZ snorefest level, but it's not far from it either. PvZ is the best non-mirror in HotS, if we talk about strategic variety. TvP and TvZ suck in that regard for sure. Strategic variety, it definitely is more versatile. But entertainment wise? ZvT is much more fun. I suppose that's subjective, though. Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams Pfft, good tosses would start to go full Ryung and just snipe all the bases zerg tries to take behind the turtling, while poking away with deathball and expanding themselves with transition into whatever.
That's a lot like saying "good zergs will deny expos, micro around mines and set up good flanks for each engage". The best of the best for each match up can be fun, but a lot of the time, ZvP isn't for me, and ZvT isn't for you. Seeing a Zerg crumble before collossus/voidray just gets irritating at some point.
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On October 09 2013 20:55 LimitSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 20:53 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:50 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:45 LimitSEA wrote:On October 09 2013 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:41 forsooth wrote:
Well, my liquibets are fucked but I'm more annoyed that we got one of the most boring possible matchups for the finals. It's not quite end-WoL ZvZ snorefest level, but it's not far from it either. PvZ is the best non-mirror in HotS, if we talk about strategic variety. TvP and TvZ suck in that regard for sure. Strategic variety, it definitely is more versatile. But entertainment wise? ZvT is much more fun. I suppose that's subjective, though. Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams Pfft, good tosses would start to go full Ryung and just snipe all the bases zerg tries to take behind the turtling, while poking away with deathball and expanding themselves with transition into whatever. That's a lot like saying "good zergs will deny expos, micro around mines and set up good flanks for each engage". The best of the best for each match up can be fun, but a lot of the time, ZvP isn't for me, and ZvT isn't for you. Seeing a Zerg crumble before collossus/voidray just gets irritating at some point.
I do not remember last time i have seen collosi void ray win tbh.
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On October 09 2013 20:57 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 20:55 LimitSEA wrote:On October 09 2013 20:53 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:50 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:45 LimitSEA wrote:On October 09 2013 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:41 forsooth wrote:
Well, my liquibets are fucked but I'm more annoyed that we got one of the most boring possible matchups for the finals. It's not quite end-WoL ZvZ snorefest level, but it's not far from it either. PvZ is the best non-mirror in HotS, if we talk about strategic variety. TvP and TvZ suck in that regard for sure. Strategic variety, it definitely is more versatile. But entertainment wise? ZvT is much more fun. I suppose that's subjective, though. Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams Pfft, good tosses would start to go full Ryung and just snipe all the bases zerg tries to take behind the turtling, while poking away with deathball and expanding themselves with transition into whatever. That's a lot like saying "good zergs will deny expos, micro around mines and set up good flanks for each engage". The best of the best for each match up can be fun, but a lot of the time, ZvP isn't for me, and ZvT isn't for you. Seeing a Zerg crumble before collossus/voidray just gets irritating at some point. I do not remember last time i have seen collosi void ray win tbh.
I'm pretty sure I saw it happen twice recently, I can't for the life of me remember what games though.
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On October 09 2013 20:53 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 20:50 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:45 LimitSEA wrote:On October 09 2013 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:41 forsooth wrote:
Well, my liquibets are fucked but I'm more annoyed that we got one of the most boring possible matchups for the finals. It's not quite end-WoL ZvZ snorefest level, but it's not far from it either. PvZ is the best non-mirror in HotS, if we talk about strategic variety. TvP and TvZ suck in that regard for sure. Strategic variety, it definitely is more versatile. But entertainment wise? ZvT is much more fun. I suppose that's subjective, though. Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams Pfft, good tosses would start to go full Ryung and just snipe all the bases zerg tries to take behind the turtling, while poking away with deathball and expanding themselves with transition into whatever.
You just described the HerO vs Hyun series. Except there wasn't much deathballing until the very end.
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On October 09 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 20:53 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:50 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:45 LimitSEA wrote:On October 09 2013 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:41 forsooth wrote:
Well, my liquibets are fucked but I'm more annoyed that we got one of the most boring possible matchups for the finals. It's not quite end-WoL ZvZ snorefest level, but it's not far from it either. PvZ is the best non-mirror in HotS, if we talk about strategic variety. TvP and TvZ suck in that regard for sure. Strategic variety, it definitely is more versatile. But entertainment wise? ZvT is much more fun. I suppose that's subjective, though. Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams Pfft, good tosses would start to go full Ryung and just snipe all the bases zerg tries to take behind the turtling, while poking away with deathball and expanding themselves with transition into whatever. You just described the HerO vs Hyun series. Except there wasn't much deathballing until the very end.
what i meant as deathball was the force that would be enough to kill locusts before they kill everything :D
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Dear vs Soo
*facepalming*
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On October 09 2013 20:49 Abradix1 wrote:
Roro still exists?
No I'm pretty sure he doesn't
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On October 09 2013 21:00 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 09 2013 20:53 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:50 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:45 LimitSEA wrote:On October 09 2013 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:41 forsooth wrote:
Well, my liquibets are fucked but I'm more annoyed that we got one of the most boring possible matchups for the finals. It's not quite end-WoL ZvZ snorefest level, but it's not far from it either. PvZ is the best non-mirror in HotS, if we talk about strategic variety. TvP and TvZ suck in that regard for sure. Strategic variety, it definitely is more versatile. But entertainment wise? ZvT is much more fun. I suppose that's subjective, though. Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams Pfft, good tosses would start to go full Ryung and just snipe all the bases zerg tries to take behind the turtling, while poking away with deathball and expanding themselves with transition into whatever. You just described the HerO vs Hyun series. Except there wasn't much deathballing until the very end. what i meant as deathball was the force that would be enough to kill locusts before they kill everything :D
Oh you mean swarmhosts. Well, those are just a design failure. You play against them by not fighting them while abusing mobility and hoping zerg doesn't build static defense at home to deal with warp prisms, gets baited into a basetrade or for some reason loses all their swarmhosts carelessly. If you don't do that, they get BLs and infestors and static defense and vipers and then you can either wait for 2 hours until you finally die or leave the game right away.
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On October 09 2013 21:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 21:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 09 2013 20:53 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:50 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:45 LimitSEA wrote:On October 09 2013 20:42 lolfail9001 wrote:
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PvZ is the best non-mirror in HotS, if we talk about strategic variety. TvP and TvZ suck in that regard for sure. Strategic variety, it definitely is more versatile. But entertainment wise? ZvT is much more fun. I suppose that's subjective, though. Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams Pfft, good tosses would start to go full Ryung and just snipe all the bases zerg tries to take behind the turtling, while poking away with deathball and expanding themselves with transition into whatever. You just described the HerO vs Hyun series. Except there wasn't much deathballing until the very end. what i meant as deathball was the force that would be enough to kill locusts before they kill everything :D Oh you mean swarmhosts. Well, those are just a design failure. You play against them by not fighting them while abusing mobility and hoping zerg doesn't build static defense at home to deal with warp prisms, gets baited into a basetrade or for some reason loses all their swarmhosts carelessly.
Try the better one: since noone goes SHs on maps other than Akilon games may as well end up with you containing zerg that went SH turtle on 4 bases, while taking the map and doing complete-skytoss transition. BANG.
I know the man, who cried the most tonight by the way: his name is Mr.Chae
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Gz to soO and Dear I guess.. Both my predictions way off lol... I hate to watch and play PvZ so this will be incredibly boring finals to me Oh well, at least TL won't be filled with posts how imba terran is when there is no terran to play in finals. :D
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On October 09 2013 21:04 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 21:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 09 2013 21:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 09 2013 20:53 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:50 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:45 LimitSEA wrote:
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Strategic variety, it definitely is more versatile. But entertainment wise? ZvT is much more fun. I suppose that's subjective, though. Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams Pfft, good tosses would start to go full Ryung and just snipe all the bases zerg tries to take behind the turtling, while poking away with deathball and expanding themselves with transition into whatever. You just described the HerO vs Hyun series. Except there wasn't much deathballing until the very end. what i meant as deathball was the force that would be enough to kill locusts before they kill everything :D Oh you mean swarmhosts. Well, those are just a design failure. You play against them by not fighting them while abusing mobility and hoping zerg doesn't build static defense at home to deal with warp prisms, gets baited into a basetrade or for some reason loses all their swarmhosts carelessly. Try the better one: since noone goes SHs on maps other than Akilon games may as well end up with you containing zerg that went SH turtle on 4 bases, while taking the map and doing complete-skytoss transition. BANG.
Nobody just goes swarmhosts though, they transition into them after creating a scenario where exactly that can't happen.
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On October 09 2013 21:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 21:04 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 21:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 09 2013 21:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 09 2013 20:53 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:50 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:49 lolfail9001 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:48 liberate71 wrote:On October 09 2013 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:
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Entertainment wise? Well, seeing 11-11s, all-ins from zerg and bio-mine vs ling bane muta battle can get boring. But yeah, subjective. I can't imagine people arent entertained with the tense battle/s over territory in T v Z, but I can see why it shits people. It instigates a 10 minute death animation hahha nah, it is just boring to watch after some time. Especially is enemies are equal and battles end up with zerg running out of resources :D Yeah they arent all like DRG v Inno... but still, I like that 'on edge' style as opposed to the feeling i get when swarm hosts smash into collosus beams Pfft, good tosses would start to go full Ryung and just snipe all the bases zerg tries to take behind the turtling, while poking away with deathball and expanding themselves with transition into whatever. You just described the HerO vs Hyun series. Except there wasn't much deathballing until the very end. what i meant as deathball was the force that would be enough to kill locusts before they kill everything :D Oh you mean swarmhosts. Well, those are just a design failure. You play against them by not fighting them while abusing mobility and hoping zerg doesn't build static defense at home to deal with warp prisms, gets baited into a basetrade or for some reason loses all their swarmhosts carelessly. Try the better one: since noone goes SHs on maps other than Akilon games may as well end up with you containing zerg that went SH turtle on 4 bases, while taking the map and doing complete-skytoss transition. BANG. Nobody just goes swarmhosts though, they transition into them after creating a scenario where exactly that can't happen.
Hyvaa did so though :D
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