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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
October 09 2013 11:30 GMT
#1181
On October 09 2013 20:28 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:25 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:21 LimitSEA wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:17 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:15 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:14 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:13 ilovewalkingbirds wrote:
so this is light out for naniwa because one of this guys will have 3500 at the end of the finals


Really? Noooo

Thank god. One player less player which brings the average skill down.


Hey we also have Mvp, aLive and MC in there, not to mention many other players from WCS EU & AM. The legitimacy of the Finals being the most skilled tournament does not exist anyway. So who cares. I'd rather see a foreigner there so the viewership grows.

Mvp, a player you seem to be inferring "brings the average skill down", did pretty good against the player who was the best in the world at that point. Taking top four says a lot.


Well... did you see Mvps recent success in WCS EU? Please don't tell me he is a top player anymore.


Not to make excuses, but I'm pretty sure he plays those online group stage from KR?

He does. I think. He lost to Dimaga season 1 online, then stomped him live, so it's hard to draw a lot from KR > EU lag.
Long live the King of Wings
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 11:30:40
October 09 2013 11:30 GMT
#1182
Cella beat Hurricane 2-0 yesterday in the DH qualifier. Lag is definitely a viable excuse.

Also yes, Mvp played those from Korea
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 09 2013 11:30 GMT
#1183
I suppose I can't blame you white people for not being able to tell Asians apart

It's still sad though because progamers look nothing alike
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
October 09 2013 11:31 GMT
#1184
On October 09 2013 20:29 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:26 LimitSEA wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:25 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:21 LimitSEA wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:17 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:15 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:14 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:13 ilovewalkingbirds wrote:
so this is light out for naniwa because one of this guys will have 3500 at the end of the finals


Really? Noooo

Thank god. One player less player which brings the average skill down.


Hey we also have Mvp, aLive and MC in there, not to mention many other players from WCS EU & AM. The legitimacy of the Finals being the most skilled tournament does not exist anyway. So who cares. I'd rather see a foreigner there so the viewership grows.

Mvp, a player you seem to be inferring "brings the average skill down", did pretty good against the player who was the best in the world at that point. Taking top four says a lot.


Well... did you see Mvps recent success in WCS EU? Please don't tell me he is a top player anymore.

Well, you're referring to the Season Finals. Mvp's only appearance in the season finals, he certainly didn't bring the average skill down. He's not there now, so I'm not sure why he'd be mentioned in regards to that.


EDIT: Oooohh shit, yeah nah you mean Blizzcon hey? Yeah, shit I dunno. Fuck oath, won't be his best showing mate.

At the same time, he's Mvp so I hold out hope he's found something new imba to exploit. Can't count him out, really.


ROFL that edit is the most Australian sentence I've seen you say

AHA, I have a habit of going full bogan when I'm sleepy. S'not good, hey. xD
Long live the King of Wings
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 09 2013 11:31 GMT
#1185
On October 09 2013 20:30 lichter wrote:
I suppose I can't blame you white people for not being able to tell Asians apart

It's still sad though because progamers look nothing alike


Thanks to sc2 I can now tell 300+ Korean players and coaches/personalities apart at a glance. Thanks GSL!
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 11:32:58
October 09 2013 11:32 GMT
#1186
On October 09 2013 20:30 lichter wrote:
I suppose I can't blame you white people for not being able to tell Asians apart

It's still sad though because progamers look nothing alike

I'm asian so I'm allowed to say the occasional player looks the same as another player when they do, right? I mean.. Keen and soO look pretty similar, front on. Or maybe it was just that one picture. I dunno.
Long live the King of Wings
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 11:36:54
October 09 2013 11:32 GMT
#1187
On October 09 2013 20:17 ilovewalkingbirds wrote:
Show nested quote +
so this is light out for naniwa because one of this guys will have 3500 at the end of the finals


Really? Noooo


ups sorry, winning gsl is 1500 points right ? and the season final is 3000, if this is true, my previous statement is not ture, sorry for that

If soo wins this GSL he's at 2800 I believe. Which is still 75 below Naniwa. Dear is even lower.

Of course this is if Soo/Dear drops out early in Season Finals. If Soo goes to Ro8 he's pretty much guaranteed a spot. Dear is a bit less certain, he'll probably need a final to be safe.

Naniwa still has a shot at point at IEm as well though, but today's results certainly didn't help his chances

edit: I still think Naniwa's best chance is getting to the fianls at IEM and jumping above Revival. If Trap/Soo/Dear/(Vortix) make a Season final top2 they are gonna jump way up into the top16 so hugging the last spot now is useless.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
October 09 2013 11:32 GMT
#1188
On October 09 2013 20:28 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:25 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:21 LimitSEA wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:17 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:15 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:14 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:13 ilovewalkingbirds wrote:
so this is light out for naniwa because one of this guys will have 3500 at the end of the finals


Really? Noooo

Thank god. One player less player which brings the average skill down.


Hey we also have Mvp, aLive and MC in there, not to mention many other players from WCS EU & AM. The legitimacy of the Finals being the most skilled tournament does not exist anyway. So who cares. I'd rather see a foreigner there so the viewership grows.

Mvp, a player you seem to be inferring "brings the average skill down", did pretty good against the player who was the best in the world at that point. Taking top four says a lot.


Well... did you see Mvps recent success in WCS EU? Please don't tell me he is a top player anymore.


Not to make excuses, but I'm pretty sure he plays those online group stage from KR?


Even then. Yes he can ofc beat top players in top tournaments but not because of amazing skill at the game but rather because he is so good at not getting nerve issues (no pun intended lol). Even when he was back in KR he didn't really impress, did he?

Look I am not saying that Mvp is bad or anything, I am just saying that he is not in the top 16 players in the world. Out of the regions other than KR probably only Taeja and maybe JD and MMA are.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
October 09 2013 11:33 GMT
#1189
On October 09 2013 20:30 lichter wrote:
I suppose I can't blame you white people for not being able to tell Asians apart

It's still sad though because progamers look nothing alike

Thanks to SC2 I see more Asians than I see my own country-men (I don't leave my apartment very often...). I can tell Asians apart way better than Caucasians these days. >_<
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
October 09 2013 11:33 GMT
#1190
On October 09 2013 20:31 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:30 lichter wrote:
I suppose I can't blame you white people for not being able to tell Asians apart

It's still sad though because progamers look nothing alike


Thanks to sc2 I can now tell 300+ Korean players and coaches/personalities apart at a glance. Thanks GSL!


What we really need is a RESPECT campaign like the one the UEFA has. ESPORTS killing racism
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
October 09 2013 11:34 GMT
#1191
On October 09 2013 20:32 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:28 liberate71 wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:25 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:21 LimitSEA wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:17 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:15 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:14 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:13 ilovewalkingbirds wrote:
so this is light out for naniwa because one of this guys will have 3500 at the end of the finals


Really? Noooo

Thank god. One player less player which brings the average skill down.


Hey we also have Mvp, aLive and MC in there, not to mention many other players from WCS EU & AM. The legitimacy of the Finals being the most skilled tournament does not exist anyway. So who cares. I'd rather see a foreigner there so the viewership grows.

Mvp, a player you seem to be inferring "brings the average skill down", did pretty good against the player who was the best in the world at that point. Taking top four says a lot.


Well... did you see Mvps recent success in WCS EU? Please don't tell me he is a top player anymore.


Not to make excuses, but I'm pretty sure he plays those online group stage from KR?


Even then. Yes he can ofc beat top players in top tournaments but not because of amazing skill at the game but rather because he is so good at not getting nerve issues (no pun intended lol). Even when he was back in KR he didn't really impress, did he?

Look I am not saying that Mvp is bad or anything, I am just saying that he is not in the top 16 players in the world. Out of the regions other than KR probably only Taeja and maybe JD and MMA are.

Mechanically speaking I whole heartedly agree. He struggles to keep up mechanically these days. But as far as builds, strength of will and mind games go? I absolutely rate him in the top 16.
Long live the King of Wings
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 11:39:28
October 09 2013 11:36 GMT
#1192
On October 09 2013 20:32 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:28 liberate71 wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:25 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:21 LimitSEA wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:17 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:15 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:14 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:13 ilovewalkingbirds wrote:
so this is light out for naniwa because one of this guys will have 3500 at the end of the finals


Really? Noooo

Thank god. One player less player which brings the average skill down.


Hey we also have Mvp, aLive and MC in there, not to mention many other players from WCS EU & AM. The legitimacy of the Finals being the most skilled tournament does not exist anyway. So who cares. I'd rather see a foreigner there so the viewership grows.

Mvp, a player you seem to be inferring "brings the average skill down", did pretty good against the player who was the best in the world at that point. Taking top four says a lot.


Well... did you see Mvps recent success in WCS EU? Please don't tell me he is a top player anymore.


Not to make excuses, but I'm pretty sure he plays those online group stage from KR?


Even then. Yes he can ofc beat top players in top tournaments but not because of amazing skill at the game but rather because he is so good at not getting nerve issues (no pun intended lol). Even when he was back in KR he didn't really impress, did he?

Look I am not saying that Mvp is bad or anything, I am just saying that he is not in the top 16 players in the world. Out of the regions other than KR probably only Taeja and maybe JD and MMA are.


If you put those up there you'd have to have HerO there too. I don't think a Top 16 is that easy to pick though. At the absolute top level everybody can beat everybody. HerO went 3-2 against Maru recently after being 2-0 up, he'd have been done with him in a GSL group stage format after the first 2 games. I don't think Bo3s necessarily show the better player (at least not as clearly as the result of the series indicates) and with the amount that some players (especially Kespa pros) play it can be really hard to tell how good they are.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
October 09 2013 11:37 GMT
#1193
On October 09 2013 20:32 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:17 ilovewalkingbirds wrote:
so this is light out for naniwa because one of this guys will have 3500 at the end of the finals


Really? Noooo


ups sorry, winning gsl is 1500 points right ? and the season final is 3000, if this is true, my previous statement is not ture, sorry for that

If soo wins this GSL he's at 2800 I believe. Which is still 75 below Naniwa. Dear is even lower.

Of course this is if Soo/Dear drops out early in Season Finals. If Soo goes to Ro8 he's pretty much guaranteed a spot. Dear is a bit less certain, he'll probably need a final to be safe.

Naniwa still has a shot at point at IEm as well though, but today's results certainly didn't help his chances


He really needs aleast a top 4 finish to probably have a chance of BlizzCon in the end. He isn't out of the race, but if I would guess I think he's got like a 10% chance right now(getting more IEM points increases the chance ofc).

I'ts only a bonus if he makes it. He screwed up in Ro32 and he knows it.
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 11:40:20
October 09 2013 11:37 GMT
#1194
So, were the games in Soulkey vs soO good or Soulkey played like mid master level player?
Yes, i am shocked, but it makes sense cause Artosis.
And ofc congratulations to Dear for winning GSL finals, since as we all know the guy who beats Soulkey at GSL loses next round.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
October 09 2013 11:39 GMT
#1195
On October 09 2013 20:32 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:30 lichter wrote:
I suppose I can't blame you white people for not being able to tell Asians apart

It's still sad though because progamers look nothing alike

I'm asian so I'm allowed to say the occasional player looks the same as another player when they do, right? I mean.. Keen and soO look pretty similar, front on. Or maybe it was just that one picture. I dunno.

Are you sure youre not comparing soO to Super? Everyone was calling them brothers in twitch chat.

Nothing beats Innovation v Bomber though
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 11:40:38
October 09 2013 11:40 GMT
#1196
On October 09 2013 20:37 ThePlagueJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:32 Vorenius wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:17 ilovewalkingbirds wrote:
so this is light out for naniwa because one of this guys will have 3500 at the end of the finals


Really? Noooo


ups sorry, winning gsl is 1500 points right ? and the season final is 3000, if this is true, my previous statement is not ture, sorry for that

If soo wins this GSL he's at 2800 I believe. Which is still 75 below Naniwa. Dear is even lower.

Of course this is if Soo/Dear drops out early in Season Finals. If Soo goes to Ro8 he's pretty much guaranteed a spot. Dear is a bit less certain, he'll probably need a final to be safe.

Naniwa still has a shot at point at IEm as well though, but today's results certainly didn't help his chances


He really needs aleast a top 4 finish to probably have a chance of BlizzCon in the end. He isn't out of the race, but if I would guess I think he's got like a 10% chance right now(getting more IEM points increases the chance ofc).

I'ts only a bonus if he makes it. He screwed up in Ro32 and he knows it.

If Revival drops right out of IEM and Naniwa makes top4 they are tied. Naniwa need top2 and Revival to drop out to have a chance. I think 10% might be a bit optimistic unfortunately
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
October 09 2013 11:40 GMT
#1197
This Finals could be uninteresting to most of you but remember Soo eliminated Bomber, Innovation, Parting and Soulkey himself, while Dear beat DRG and Maru. They may be boring players but they definitely deserve to be in this final and didn't just luck out and avoided the favorites in the brackets. They played straight up better than those who have some "story" in them and looked like this season's potential champion before these 2 beat them. I'm just glad we got the 2 better players in the Finals .
On October 09 2013 20:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, were the games in Soulkey vs soO good or Soulkey played like mid master level player?
Yes, i am shocked, but it makes sense cause Artosis.

Artosis predicted Soo > SK.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
October 09 2013 11:40 GMT
#1198
On October 09 2013 20:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:32 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:28 liberate71 wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:25 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:21 LimitSEA wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:17 Aunvilgod wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:15 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:14 Heartland wrote:
On October 09 2013 20:13 ilovewalkingbirds wrote:
so this is light out for naniwa because one of this guys will have 3500 at the end of the finals


Really? Noooo

Thank god. One player less player which brings the average skill down.


Hey we also have Mvp, aLive and MC in there, not to mention many other players from WCS EU & AM. The legitimacy of the Finals being the most skilled tournament does not exist anyway. So who cares. I'd rather see a foreigner there so the viewership grows.

Mvp, a player you seem to be inferring "brings the average skill down", did pretty good against the player who was the best in the world at that point. Taking top four says a lot.


Well... did you see Mvps recent success in WCS EU? Please don't tell me he is a top player anymore.


Not to make excuses, but I'm pretty sure he plays those online group stage from KR?


Even then. Yes he can ofc beat top players in top tournaments but not because of amazing skill at the game but rather because he is so good at not getting nerve issues (no pun intended lol). Even when he was back in KR he didn't really impress, did he?

Look I am not saying that Mvp is bad or anything, I am just saying that he is not in the top 16 players in the world. Out of the regions other than KR probably only Taeja and maybe JD and MMA are.


If you put those up there you'd have to have HerO there too. I don't think a Top 16 is that easy to pick though. At the absolute top level everybody can beat everybody. HerO went 3-2 against Maru recently after being 2-0 up, he'd have been done with him in a GSL group stage format after the first 2 games. I don't think Bo3s necessarily show the better player (at least not as clearly as the result of the series indicates) and with the amount that some players (especially Kespa pros) play it can be really hard to tell how good they are.

Bomber, nuff said. Top 5 ~
The Bomber boy
-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
October 09 2013 11:40 GMT
#1199
On October 09 2013 20:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, were the games in Soulkey vs soO good or Soulkey played like mid master level player?
Yes, i am shocked, but it makes sense cause Artosis.


First two games were KR GM, last game was a ling/bane all-in vs. Soulkey not walling in time.
3 Hatch Before Cool
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 09 2013 11:41 GMT
#1200
On October 09 2013 20:40 NicksonReyes wrote:
This Finals could be uninteresting to most of you but remember Soo eliminated Bomber, Innovation, Parting and Soulkey himself, while Dear beat DRG and Maru. They may be boring players but they definitely deserve to be in this final and didn't just luck out and avoided the favorites in the brackets. They played straight up better than those who have some "story" in them and looked like this season's potential champion before these 2 beat them. I'm just glad we got the 2 better players in the Finals .
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:37 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, were the games in Soulkey vs soO good or Soulkey played like mid master level player?
Yes, i am shocked, but it makes sense cause Artosis.

Artosis predicted Soo > SK.

Artosis actually predicted this at 0:0? Ouch, Major was right. But hey, looking forward to Hot6ix cup now, since they won't have to do replacements.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
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