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[GSTL] Round 1 AZUBU vs Ax-Acer Season 2 2013 - Page 13

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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
September 24 2013 06:11 GMT
#241
On September 24 2013 15:09 Sajaki wrote:
I think it's better to pull everything into the main base vs a blink allin like this, no? Less area to bounce between I would think, easier for T to cover.



It might be safer but it's not necessarily better, as you'd lose a lot of your mining advantage from not having the 2 base saturation, so you'd be able to produce fewer units. Widow mines and Tanks really help hold this, but Supernova had no gas because he went CC first into double rax (then added a third barracks before gas), so he was just at a build order disadvantage form his choices. He scouted what Alicia was doing (which prompted the third rax) but Alicia got a good scout, saw no gas, and knew his build would work so he went with it anyway despite being scouted.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 24 2013 06:13 GMT
#242
Yeah, Crank said it very well. Axiom-Acer has really great depth. Even with a super ace in Innovation, the rest of the bench certainly has capable to taking down any team.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
September 24 2013 06:15 GMT
#243
Maybe Ax and Acer should have entered as separate teams D: So strong, and right now there's an odd number.
jjakji fan
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 24 2013 06:15 GMT
#244
On September 24 2013 15:11 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 15:10 Dodgin wrote:
AxiomAcer are going to win this season D:

looks like it at this rate unless IM magically appears mid season


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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
September 24 2013 06:15 GMT
#245
I would actually pull my hair out if I had to play vs Alicia's blink he showed in TvP. It was quite entertaining though
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 24 2013 06:16 GMT
#246
On September 24 2013 15:15 slowbacontron wrote:
Maybe Ax and Acer should have entered as separate teams D: So strong, and right now there's an odd number.

I dont think Acer would be able to get enough people in Korea to compete
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slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
September 24 2013 06:16 GMT
#247
On September 24 2013 15:11 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 15:09 Sajaki wrote:
I think it's better to pull everything into the main base vs a blink allin like this, no? Less area to bounce between I would think, easier for T to cover.



It might be safer but it's not necessarily better, as you'd lose a lot of your mining advantage from not having the 2 base saturation, so you'd be able to produce fewer units. Widow mines and Tanks really help hold this, but Supernova had no gas because he went CC first into double rax (then added a third barracks before gas), so he was just at a build order disadvantage form his choices. He scouted what Alicia was doing (which prompted the third rax) but Alicia got a good scout, saw no gas, and knew his build would work so he went with it anyway despite being scouted.

Alicia killed enough SCVs that the 2 vs. 1 base saturation didn't affect anything D:
jjakji fan
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
September 24 2013 06:16 GMT
#248
On September 24 2013 15:16 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 15:15 slowbacontron wrote:
Maybe Ax and Acer should have entered as separate teams D: So strong, and right now there's an odd number.

I dont think Acer would be able to get enough people in Korea to compete

Only need Innovation
jjakji fan
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
September 24 2013 06:17 GMT
#249
What song was the last rap song in the stream?
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
September 24 2013 06:18 GMT
#250
Acer-Axiom confirmed as new SlayerS.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-24 06:19:56
September 24 2013 06:19 GMT
#251
On September 24 2013 15:17 FinBenton wrote:
What song was the last rap song in the stream?



yep
jjakji fan
Sajaki
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1135 Posts
September 24 2013 06:21 GMT
#252
On September 24 2013 15:11 Whitewing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 15:09 Sajaki wrote:
I think it's better to pull everything into the main base vs a blink allin like this, no? Less area to bounce between I would think, easier for T to cover.



It might be safer but it's not necessarily better, as you'd lose a lot of your mining advantage from not having the 2 base saturation, so you'd be able to produce fewer units. Widow mines and Tanks really help hold this, but Supernova had no gas because he went CC first into double rax (then added a third barracks before gas), so he was just at a build order disadvantage form his choices. He scouted what Alicia was doing (which prompted the third rax) but Alicia got a good scout, saw no gas, and knew his build would work so he went with it anyway despite being scouted.


Well, even with the CC at the natural, did Supernova ever have more than 16 on mins 6 on gas? He lost a lot of SCVs, and he had a lot of SCVs on permanent repair, at least, with everything in the main there's a chance to hold out till medivacs, then retake the natural. Protoss should be on 1 base the entire time, and when he does expand he has to release the pressure somewhat, allowing Supernova to retake the nat. Because IMO, as long as you don't lose to much to the initial rounds of blink stalkers, medivacs + bio >>>>> blink stalkers assuming that terran doesn't take too much of an econ disadvantage.

To me, it just seems like the natural is extra vulnerability and not much economic benefit...
Inno pls...
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
September 24 2013 06:23 GMT
#253
lol acer didnt even need scarlett or innovation to take this. kinda underwhelming fight azubu put up.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 24 2013 06:25 GMT
#254
On September 24 2013 15:15 slowbacontron wrote:
Maybe Ax and Acer should have entered as separate teams D: So strong, and right now there's an odd number.


Well, the fact that they have so few players is a concern though, since this will make their lineups especially predictable in PL format (6 players fielded as opposed to 4). Combined with all the WCS stuff and travelling, it could be tougher, so it's good that they are gaining this big lead in Ro1 just in case.

Looking at their current roster:
Innovation
MMA
Ryung
Heart
Alicia
Crank (neck injury)
Scarlett (wrist injury)

In addition, you'll have players like MMA, Heart, and possibly Crank and Scarlett travelling for WCS, which will really strain the roster.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
September 24 2013 06:41 GMT
#255
I really thought I made my worst decision in FGSTL when I picked Ax-Acer without Innovation. Hahaha!
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
September 24 2013 06:48 GMT
#256
On September 24 2013 15:41 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I really thought I made my worst decision in FGSTL when I picked Ax-Acer without Innovation. Hahaha!


I'm rank #910 in Fantasy GSTL with my own team that is currently #1 in real GSTL.

This shit is rigged
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 24 2013 06:53 GMT
#257
On September 24 2013 15:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 15:41 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I really thought I made my worst decision in FGSTL when I picked Ax-Acer without Innovation. Hahaha!


I'm rank #910 in Fantasy GSTL with my own team that is currently #1 in real GSTL.

This shit is rigged


Rank 1517 lol

The worst team in FGSTL is din. with -22

Team:
Leenock 3
Alicia 2
Scarlett 2
Gumiho 0
Seed 0
Tassadar 0

Anti:
Innovation -15
Life -6
Symbol -6

ouch.
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 24 2013 07:16 GMT
#258
AXA doing the work I expected them to. Pretty great day to have Crank and Alicia on your FGSTL, as well as AXA as your team. ;p I was getting worried at the start because I decided to do an AXA-based FGSTL without Innovation, but seems to be going alright so far.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
September 24 2013 07:38 GMT
#259
On September 24 2013 15:53 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 15:48 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On September 24 2013 15:41 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I really thought I made my worst decision in FGSTL when I picked Ax-Acer without Innovation. Hahaha!


I'm rank #910 in Fantasy GSTL with my own team that is currently #1 in real GSTL.

This shit is rigged


Rank 1517 lol

The worst team in FGSTL is din. with -22

Team:
Leenock 3
Alicia 2
Scarlett 2
Gumiho 0
Seed 0
Tassadar 0

Anti:
Innovation -15
Life -6
Symbol -6

ouch.

meh, with an antiteam like that, they either don't understand how antiteam works or are intentionally trying to get the lowest score they can.
jjakji fan
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
September 24 2013 07:53 GMT
#260
On September 24 2013 16:16 Kasaraki wrote:
AXA doing the work I expected them to. Pretty great day to have Crank and Alicia on your FGSTL, as well as AXA as your team. ;p I was getting worried at the start because I decided to do an AXA-based FGSTL without Innovation, but seems to be going alright so far.

Mine is doing horribly. Most Ax-Acer players are on the higher cost tier. Couldn't get Innovation and settled with Azubu for my team.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
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