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Yaaay MC! Didn't get to catch all the games, great that he won :>
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On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won.
I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything?
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fucking Kas.... =P
Where are my European hopes at! ^^'
On September 19 2013 01:06 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 01:00 NovaMB wrote:
Btw Group drawings for the ro16 are immediatly after tonights games Just to draw a picture of possible pairings we have those 1st and 2nd place finishers: 1st 2nd ForGG Targa Happy duckdeok Vortix random german toss that killed Mvp Showtime Genius Starbuck Welmu Thorzain Titan Nerchio MMA Babyknight As of now we may have a group of 4 P but not 4 Z or 4T group unless FireCake tops this one or Kas comes second by the way :D
Pretty sure Showtime was a top German Nightelf player back in WC3.
He was top back then, doesn't surprise me that with training he can be top in SC2 too.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:47 Shinta) wrote:fucking Kas.... =P Where are my European hopes at! ^^' Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 01:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 19 2013 01:00 NovaMB wrote:
Btw Group drawings for the ro16 are immediatly after tonights games Just to draw a picture of possible pairings we have those 1st and 2nd place finishers: 1st 2nd ForGG Targa Happy duckdeok Vortix random german toss that killed Mvp Showtime Genius Starbuck Welmu Thorzain Titan Nerchio MMA Babyknight As of now we may have a group of 4 P but not 4 Z or 4T group unless FireCake tops this one or Kas comes second by the way :D Pretty sure Showtime was a top German Nightelf player back in WC3. He was top back then, doesn't surprise me that with training he can be top in SC2 too.
Yet according to liquipedia ShoWTimE turned full-time in June 2012, playing game from release.
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On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything?
Do you really think Kas is a better player skill wise?
Maybe you should get some glasses. 
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:59 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything? Do you really think Kas is a better player skill wise? Maybe you should get some glasses.
Check 1st games. Kas was superior in those.
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On September 19 2013 05:59 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything? Do you really think Kas is a better player skill wise? Maybe you should get some glasses.
Not necessarily. But Stardust has´nt shown to be the better one either today; we´ve had Kas destroying Stardust in the first series, Stardust destroying Kas in the second (maybe due to nerve issues) and just as they proved to be completely even, the system lets Stardust advance. That is why I think, the system is stupid, my former point was more generally made, not in application to Stardust/Kas.
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Those RO16 groups are interesting !! I cannot wait :D
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Poland2127 Posts
e: don't mind my random comment...
sad Kas did not make it through ;(
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On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything?
You can deny it all you want. You're obviously one of those people who decides which system is better after the games are played. Almost every single LR thread has somebody whining that the system is stupid and they always advocate a different system where their favorite player advances. The system whining is getting even more tiresome than the balance whining.
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On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything?
My argument makes perfect sense. Winning 2-0 is better than losing 0-2. You have no idea whether or not Kas would have beat Firecake anyways. Round robin seems like it'd be the better format to help determine that but then you have people whining that their player didn't get through when they won head-to-head but had a worse map score or vice versa.
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On September 19 2013 05:47 Shinta) wrote:fucking Kas.... =P Where are my European hgood at! ^^' Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 01:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 19 2013 01:00 NovaMB wrote:
Btw Group drawings for the ro16 are immediatly after tonights games Just to draw a picture of possible pairings we have those 1st and 2nd place finishers: 1st 2nd ForGG Targa Happy duckdeok Vortix random german toss that killed Mvp Showtime Genius Starbuck Welmu Thorzain Titan Nerchio MMA Babyknight As of now we may have a group of 4 P but not 4 Z or 4T group unless FireCake tops this one or Kas comes second by the way :D Pretty sure Showtime was a top German Nightelf player back in WC3. He was top back then, doesn't surprise me that with training he can be top in SC2 too.
I think you confuse him with showtime.werra, which I'm fairly sure was a Korean 
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On September 19 2013 07:06 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything? You can deny it all you want. You're obviously one of those people who decides which system is better after the games are played. Almost every single LR thread has somebody whining that the system is stupid and they always advocate a different system where their favorite player advances. The system whining is getting even more tiresome than the balance whining.
Yeah, sure, if someone critises a system, it is obviously, because he is a whiner and not, becasue the system is actually bad. I have several times defended RR, when people where all screaming for GSL format and I have several times said, that I am under the impression, that GSL format sucks. If you want, look through my entire post history and search for a single post, where I defended GSL-system, but if you can´t find one, don´t make up random bullshit about me, that contributes nothing to the discussion.
On September 19 2013 07:29 Heavenlee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything? My argument makes perfect sense. Winning 2-0 is better than losing 0-2. You have no idea whether or not Kas would have beat Firecake anyways. Round robin seems like it'd be the better format to help determine that but then you have people whining that their player didn't get through when they won head-to-head but had a worse map score or vice versa.
Winning 2-0 against an inferior player is obviously better than losing 2-0 against a superior, you are right in this on this. But is it good? Does it provide any actual information, about the direct comparism between Kas and Stardust? No it does´nt. It leaves us in uncertaincy. Maybe SD would have beaten MC. Maybe Kas would have lost to Firecake. MAYBE. Maybe is a really shitty indicator, if you actually want to have facts. If you do Round Robin, you know, who would beat who and you don´t have a "maybe" and can determine, who advances by actual results. And in 4 man groups there should´nt be complains either, since there is no possible h2h tie-breaker, between 2nd and 3rd place, where there is´nt a third person involved. Round Robin with map-score-tiebreaker always shows, who did best against the entire group.
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Foreign Terrans basically don't exist in SC2 
And Koreans continue to get the race nerfed
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On September 19 2013 10:35 Rhaegal wrote:Foreign Terrans basically don't exist in SC2 And Koreans continue to get the race nerfed
Mechnical ability is most important for Terran so most foreigners cannot get to that level.
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On September 19 2013 07:06 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything? You can deny it all you want. You're obviously one of those people who decides which system is better after the games are played. Almost every single LR thread has somebody whining that the system is stupid and they always advocate a different system where their favorite player advances. The system whining is getting even more tiresome than the balance whining.
Yeah pretty much, these people are annoying as fuck...
just accept that your favorite players suck right now and move on.
I'm sure that if Kas or Firecake or whoever he rooted for made it through, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
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Too bad Seboe !
You should get back to Super Smash Melee :D Happy to see you play at this level anyways !
Good luck for the future !!
User was warned for this post
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On September 19 2013 16:13 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 07:06 andrewlt wrote:On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything? You can deny it all you want. You're obviously one of those people who decides which system is better after the games are played. Almost every single LR thread has somebody whining that the system is stupid and they always advocate a different system where their favorite player advances. The system whining is getting even more tiresome than the balance whining. Yeah pretty much, these people are annoying as fuck... just accept that your favorite players suck right now and move on. I'm sure that if Kas or Firecake or whoever he rooted for made it through, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Have you agree with you. People are too quick to judge "skill" off a few games. Consistency is also important!
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To sum ist up: Koreans win the important games. Sad from a foreigner point of view.
Same in NA: Vibe beats Nestea first game, then, in the loosers final, he lost ---> there he goes....
At least Babyknight made ist against Tails....and apart form this Kori/Foreigner-debate: GOGO MCuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!! =)
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On September 19 2013 17:00 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 16:13 Whatson wrote:On September 19 2013 07:06 andrewlt wrote:On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything? You can deny it all you want. You're obviously one of those people who decides which system is better after the games are played. Almost every single LR thread has somebody whining that the system is stupid and they always advocate a different system where their favorite player advances. The system whining is getting even more tiresome than the balance whining. Yeah pretty much, these people are annoying as fuck... just accept that your favorite players suck right now and move on. I'm sure that if Kas or Firecake or whoever he rooted for made it through, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Have you agree with you. People are too quick to judge "skill" off a few games. Consistency is also important!
As I said before, I am not judging the skill of both players, that was a comment, when TargA>Naniwa and Starbuck>LucifroN were still in th discussion. "Consisteny is also important". Yes, it is. But how is 0-2 first and 2-0 second more consistent then 2-0 first and 0-2 second? It is the exact same score, your point does not make any sence at all.
On September 19 2013 16:13 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 07:06 andrewlt wrote:On September 19 2013 05:26 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 05:04 Heavenlee wrote:On September 19 2013 04:49 Xoronius wrote:On September 19 2013 04:43 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 19 2013 04:41 Xoronius wrote:
This is so frustrating;
Naniwa 3:2 TargA -> TargA advances
LucifroN 3:2 Starbuck -> Starbuck advances
Kas 2:2 Stardust -> Stardust advances.
Everyone I root for gets eliminated, because games are played in the "wrong order". Pls ESL, just get rid of this system and bring round robin back. more like the players you root for can't play under pressure. The system is completely fine. If you can beat some one then why can't you beat them again? Oh it's because of the nerves ^^ Something that sadly stops a lot of players from becoming elite Should´nt skill be higher rewarded than nerves? If you let this group play out normally, Kas probably beats Firecake, MC probably beats SD and MC/Kas make it out without any debate. In this system you have 2 players go 2:2 against eachother and one of them advances, because his opponent, who rolled him in a normal game, has nerve issues. Skill is rewarded in this format. You're just upset because the way this format is set up didn't do well for your players. The same way people cry about extended series when it knocks out their favorite player but you apparently want some sort of extended series here where your former set is relevant. In the end, Kas ended up going 2-4 in total matches and Stardust went 4-2. The player who beat more people, aka showed more skill, won. I am saying, that this format is bad since 2011, so it has not that much to do with the recent results. And your argument does not make that much sence, if you subtract their results against eachother, you have Stardust winning against Firecake, while Kas lost against MC. That is not at all comparable, because you will always have a better record against worse players, so how exactly should that indicate anything? You can deny it all you want. You're obviously one of those people who decides which system is better after the games are played. Almost every single LR thread has somebody whining that the system is stupid and they always advocate a different system where their favorite player advances. The system whining is getting even more tiresome than the balance whining. Yeah pretty much, these people are annoying as fuck... just accept that your favorite players suck right now and move on. I'm sure that if Kas or Firecake or whoever he rooted for made it through, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Yeah, he sure sucks for going head to head with another player and getting eliminated for this, valid point... How about actually saying something, worth the time, it takes typing it? You can talk shit all day, but the only thing, you guys say here, is that I am annoying, while I am the only one in this discussion, who is actually making points. So either start contributing to the discussion or stop posting in it.
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On September 19 2013 18:19 Bjarne wrote:
To sum ist up: Koreans win the important games. Sad from a foreigner point of view.
Same in NA: Vibe beats Nestea first game, then, in the loosers final, he lost ---> there he goes....
At least Babyknight made ist against Tails....and apart form this Kori/Foreigner-debate: GOGO MCuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!! =)
To be fair, Nestea won the direct comparism, as he lost 1:2, but won 2:0. If Stardust would have lost 1:2 and won 2:0 after that, I would´nt say anything, because there would be at least some indication, that he is the better player. But when those to are completely equal and one advances, while the other does not, this is just bad.
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