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On September 06 2013 04:53 Waise wrote:
if SC2 lategame didn't turn so rapidly into "AOE their deathball or die, split against their AOE or die" then maybe we wouldn't see silliness like pro players pulling workers because of region lag
sorry, nothing wrong with AOE in theory or having to split, but lategame SC2 has some design issues all across the board, not just TvP
Well how should it work? Ideally it's about a player with superior tactics and control beating the other, and if that's occurring than we can all agree that's basically a positive thing, yea?
It's just you generally don't see that from a lot of Terran players because Chronoboosted forges are a bit too much for some WCS season 2 finals winners to handle.
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On September 06 2013 04:54 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 04:53 Torvaltz wrote:On September 06 2013 04:45 samurai80 wrote:On September 06 2013 04:35 PanzerElite wrote:On September 06 2013 04:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 06 2013 04:34 Papples wrote:
i dont care how bad lag was, mvp just shouldve played straight up and he was extremely disappointing
props to showtime though for a great showing What does that even mean? SCVs pulls are the best option anyway. They don't understand us Terran players. Terrans shoudl play with SCV pulls every single game ? So many terrans, without even the level of Mvp can do something else and win. Really? Name some, I'd like to see a list of terran s who win high level series against toss without SCV pulls. taeja.
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Showtime said on the german stream that he would've gone part-time playing/to University this month if he hadnt qualified for WCS.
He postponed that for another 6 months when he qualified for Premier
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Showtime really nice guy btw (hearing his german interview atm), still a bit sad for Mvp BUT now it is hurting... less <.<
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On September 06 2013 04:54 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 04:48 vthree wrote:On September 06 2013 04:40 samurai80 wrote:On September 06 2013 04:34 PanzerElite wrote:On September 06 2013 04:33 samurai80 wrote:
Ooooooooh yeaahhhh Showtime !!!!! I would have been so pissed if Mvp won again with this shit. protoss detected Don't need to be a toss to think that these SCV pulls all night long are boring/ugly. Well, to be fair. The whole match up has a big issue. The MSC was added so toss could be more aggressive (Protoss couldn't move out of their base in WoL due to threat of drops). But Protoss have actually been more defensive with the MSC and just tech'ed up. The fact that map control doesn't matter at all in this match up (until late game when contesting the fourth) makes it boring as hell. Show time played well but honestly, it wasn't like he was mixing up his play much. Get upgrade, colo, have obs covering the map and defend drops. The only reason that Mvp's push in game 2 work was that Mvp got the third when it was building so that delayed the Protoss enough to hit his timing. He played very solid macro games... apart from the botched allin in the first series. And people crying so much about TvP after that series - just think about the TvT MVP played against noname. Those were basically gifted to MVP as he was in both in bad spots and noname threw the games. MVP was far from playing his A-game, lag or no lag.
That is my point. A solid macro game in the current TvP meta is the P sitting in his base defending drops. There is no urgency to have 'map control'. I am not blaming showtime, he is playing to the meta. But I would prefer macro games when both sides are positioning their army to get map control and making pokes here and there. Besides the obs, showtime didn't need to move his army cross the half way point until he was maxed. That is just not entertaining to watch.
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On September 06 2013 04:53 Torvaltz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 04:45 samurai80 wrote:On September 06 2013 04:35 PanzerElite wrote:On September 06 2013 04:34 TheDwf wrote:On September 06 2013 04:34 Papples wrote:
i dont care how bad lag was, mvp just shouldve played straight up and he was extremely disappointing
props to showtime though for a great showing What does that even mean? SCVs pulls are the best option anyway. They don't understand us Terran players. Terrans shoudl play with SCV pulls every single game ? So many terrans, without even the level of Mvp can do something else and win. Really? Name some, I'd like to see a list of terrans who win high level series against toss without SCV pulls.
Series vs First withstanding, Polt's always run circles around Protoss players.
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On September 06 2013 04:40 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 04:40 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2013 04:39 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 06 2013 04:39 samurai80 wrote:On September 06 2013 04:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
I hate protoss. They killed Mvp. Yes, his wrists, spine and neck too. He killed himself tonight though... Because protoss. Protoss fan detected! Yeah, samurai80 likes protoss, i noticed 
Wait how my statement was even biased. This is just an objective remark imo.
Edit: at the very least more objective than your posts.
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On September 06 2013 04:59 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 04:54 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2013 04:48 vthree wrote:On September 06 2013 04:40 samurai80 wrote:On September 06 2013 04:34 PanzerElite wrote:On September 06 2013 04:33 samurai80 wrote:
Ooooooooh yeaahhhh Showtime !!!!! I would have been so pissed if Mvp won again with this shit. protoss detected Don't need to be a toss to think that these SCV pulls all night long are boring/ugly. Well, to be fair. The whole match up has a big issue. The MSC was added so toss could be more aggressive (Protoss couldn't move out of their base in WoL due to threat of drops). But Protoss have actually been more defensive with the MSC and just tech'ed up. The fact that map control doesn't matter at all in this match up (until late game when contesting the fourth) makes it boring as hell. Show time played well but honestly, it wasn't like he was mixing up his play much. Get upgrade, colo, have obs covering the map and defend drops. The only reason that Mvp's push in game 2 work was that Mvp got the third when it was building so that delayed the Protoss enough to hit his timing. He played very solid macro games... apart from the botched allin in the first series. And people crying so much about TvP after that series - just think about the TvT MVP played against noname. Those were basically gifted to MVP as he was in both in bad spots and noname threw the games. MVP was far from playing his A-game, lag or no lag. That is my point. A solid macro game in the current TvP meta is the P sitting in his base defending drops. There is no urgency to have 'map control'. I am not blaming showtime, he is playing to the meta. But I would prefer macro games when both sides are positioning their army to get map control and making pokes here and there. Besides the obs, showtime didn't need to move his army cross the half way point until he was maxed. That is just not entertaining to watch.
To be fair, most of toss macro games look exactly like this no matter the meta. I remember there was a protoss that actually played entertaining macro game that did not involve turtling until deathball (while keeping terran busy with warp-ins, lol).
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On September 06 2013 04:46 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 04:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
Also guys, since it is last day of WCS EU this week, i can just say that Zealously must get his blessing's right. In each group he predicted 1 player right and 1 player wrong. Also, each time player he predicted taking 2nd going out in 1st and player he predicted going 1st going out in 3rd. Whenever I predict huge upsets they always happen but when I predict (supposedly) clear-cut group we get results like this. I must consult stuchiu and rekindle the visionary flame within me in time for the Season 3 Finals.
The Dream!
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Everbody thinking that no terran besides Taeja can win without SCV pulls should watch some Happy games (warning: this will take a while).
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On September 06 2013 05:00 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 04:40 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 06 2013 04:40 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2013 04:39 lolfail9001 wrote:On September 06 2013 04:39 samurai80 wrote:On September 06 2013 04:33 lolfail9001 wrote:
I hate protoss. They killed Mvp. Yes, his wrists, spine and neck too. He killed himself tonight though... Because protoss. Protoss fan detected! Yeah, samurai80 likes protoss, i noticed Wait how my statement was even biased. This is just an objective remark imo. Edit: at the very least more objective than your posts.
Yes, my Mvp bias showing and he certainly did not play well (and had all reasons in the world to do so), and so are your protoss bias when someone wins a game against toss (yes, i remember you being in that WCS S2 finals LR something something being upset with toss losing to superior control from his opponent.
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The king is dead. Long live the king.
Meh MVP :/
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On September 06 2013 05:03 Musicus wrote:
Everbody thinking that no terran besides Taeja can win without SCV pulls should watch some Happy games (warning: this will take a while).
Happy vs HasuObs on daybreak. Watch it. And it was season 1, by the way.
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On September 06 2013 05:02 LemonyTang wrote:
SC2 is dead without Mvp.
Stop talking shit - it died long ago!
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On September 06 2013 05:04 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 05:03 Musicus wrote:
Everbody thinking that no terran besides Taeja can win without SCV pulls should watch some Happy games (warning: this will take a while). Happy vs HasuObs on daybreak. Watch it. And it was season 1, by the way.
If you have time, alot of it
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On September 06 2013 05:05 Doublemint wrote:Stop talking shit - it died long ago!
That's why Husky made a zombie map.
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On September 06 2013 05:05 Doublemint wrote:Stop talking shit - it died long ago!
Stop discussing with yourself. You are the only person left watching this dead game.
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On September 06 2013 05:06 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 05:05 Doublemint wrote:On September 06 2013 05:02 LemonyTang wrote:
SC2 is dead without Mvp. Stop talking shit - it died long ago! That's why Husky made a zombie map.
Husky is on the right track then 
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