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Balance whine ends now (2:03 KST). Bans will be issued (I can't believe we have to do this again...)
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 05 2013 19:44 GMT
#1161
On September 06 2013 04:43 GumBa wrote:
Mvp?!?! what happend ? Anyone recap pls?

Game 1: failed SCV pull.
Game 2: successful SCV pull.
Game 3: failed SCV pull.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12055 Posts
September 05 2013 19:44 GMT
#1162
On September 06 2013 04:43 SmoKim wrote:
so, is there anything that can be done about all this DDoS'ing?

imo we send Liquid'Wizard on the case


I've just got into the thread after seeing MVP playing lackluster in the first game, but what's this about DDoSing? o_O
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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
September 05 2013 19:44 GMT
#1163
On September 06 2013 04:43 GumBa wrote:
Mvp?!?! what happend ? Anyone recap pls?


5 scv pulls in 6 games, Showtime held 4 of them with early double forge and lots of collosi

The sixth game was the Akilon game in the first series, Showtime went for a 5gate and failed
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 19:45:10
September 05 2013 19:44 GMT
#1164
On September 06 2013 04:43 ssxsilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:40 Tsubbi wrote:
say what u want but showtime played well for a newcomer, especially keeping his cool against the king of terran in his first big tournament is pretty impressive

100% agree. It's actually pretty refreshing to see foreigners actually close out games and a stark contrast to games 1-2 years ago.

Wow I think that was the first positive comment I have seen about the winner in several pages. Kinda sad. Showtime should indeed be commended for his play.
Off-season = best season
PanzerElite
Profile Joined May 2012
540 Posts
September 05 2013 19:45 GMT
#1165
On September 06 2013 04:44 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:42 PanzerElite wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:39 askmc70 wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:38 PanzerElite wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:37 askmc70 wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:35 iaguz wrote:
in TvP if you're maxed and not at 3/3 with a big army and the Protoss is maxed and just got 3/3 you get fucking steamrolled. Protoss doesn't even need micro at this point.

MVP's going for correct strategies, he's just not getting them to work through execution errors.

jesus this is disgusting, stop the balance whine.

This isn't whine, it's the truth, thats why you see so much scv pulling. Why would you pull otherwise?

you're shitting me right?


Ur shitting me right? I have played more as Protoss than Terran.


And that makes you right, yes?


No, but what he's telling isn't right at all.
Sea_aeS
Profile Joined November 2011
1025 Posts
September 05 2013 19:45 GMT
#1166
On September 06 2013 04:38 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:37 Levistus wrote:
can't terran win without pulling scv's? why is that?

is there any terran that's great in tvp who doesn't pull scv's? i want to watch his games.

TaeJa. :p


Id say Polt too. Even though Taeja is just 80000*times better than any other Terran in this MU.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
September 05 2013 19:45 GMT
#1167
On September 06 2013 04:44 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:43 GumBa wrote:
Mvp?!?! what happend ? Anyone recap pls?

Game 1: failed SCV pull.
Game 2: successful SCV pull.
Game 3: failed SCV pull.


10/10 recap lol, sums it up
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
September 05 2013 19:45 GMT
#1168
On September 06 2013 04:35 PanzerElite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:34 TheDwf wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:34 Papples wrote:
i dont care how bad lag was, mvp just shouldve played straight up and he was extremely disappointing
props to showtime though for a great showing

What does that even mean? SCVs pulls are the best option anyway.

They don't understand us Terran players.

Terrans shoudl play with SCV pulls every single game ? So many terrans, without even the level of Mvp can do something else and win.
MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
September 05 2013 19:45 GMT
#1169
Showtime apologizing for beating mvp haha..
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8322 Posts
September 05 2013 19:46 GMT
#1170
Aren't we all a happy bunch of fellows in here
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 05 2013 19:46 GMT
#1171
On September 06 2013 04:44 Sissors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:43 TheDwf wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:40 Sissors wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:39 TheDwf wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:39 TommyP wrote:
Does it matter if Mvp makes blizzcon or not? he just lost to showtime......twice. Its not like he would be a threat to anyone if he plays like he has been

Mvp online ≠ Mvp offline.

As shown in RO16 last season?

Is your objection supposed to prove anything?

Probably about as much as your random statement?

Inform yourself about Mvp's strengths and you'll understand how my statement was not "random".
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 05 2013 19:46 GMT
#1172
On September 06 2013 04:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
Also guys, since it is last day of WCS EU this week, i can just say that Zealously must get his blessing's right. In each group he predicted 1 player right and 1 player wrong. Also, each time player he predicted taking 2nd going out in 1st and player he predicted going 1st going out in 3rd.


Whenever I predict huge upsets they always happen but when I predict (supposedly) clear-cut group we get results like this. I must consult stuchiu and rekindle the visionary flame within me in time for the Season 3 Finals.
AdministratorBreak the chains
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
September 05 2013 19:46 GMT
#1173
On September 06 2013 04:34 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:33 Zenbrez wrote:
Big chance MVP gonna not make blizzcon


small chance actually, someone wrote a program to calculate it and it says something like 8 in 200000 calculations he doesn't make it to blizzcon


Do you have a source for this? I'm interested in their program and all the outcomes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
September 05 2013 19:46 GMT
#1174
Showtime so happy . He jumped in the air haha. Come on guys, don't be mad at him, he'll try his best in the ro16. Fresh blood is good. Gl Showtime!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 05 2013 19:46 GMT
#1175
On September 06 2013 04:43 GumBa wrote:
Mvp?!?! what happend ? Anyone recap pls?

Mvp?
Well short recap of his games:
1st series against Showtime:
1st game: 3-3 200/200 toss against 2-1 200/200 terran. Nuff said.
2nd game: defended gateway all-in, that showtime for unknown reason to me thrown out.
3rd game: failed doom drop into 180+ supply scv pull against storm+collosi with 2-2 or 3-3.
2nd series against Noname:
Game of throws by Noname.
final series:
1st game: showtime defended 2 base scv pull and finished game with storm spam.
2nd game: 3 base scv pull. Worked.
3rd game: 3 base scv pull. Did not work.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
September 05 2013 19:46 GMT
#1176
god how could showtime have the nerves to not go full foreigner ♥ needs Fanclub
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 05 2013 19:47 GMT
#1177
On September 06 2013 04:46 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:34 Dodgin wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:33 Zenbrez wrote:
Big chance MVP gonna not make blizzcon


small chance actually, someone wrote a program to calculate it and it says something like 8 in 200000 calculations he doesn't make it to blizzcon


Do you have a source for this? I'm interested in their program and all the outcomes.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431&currentpage=317#6338

vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
September 05 2013 19:48 GMT
#1178
On September 06 2013 04:40 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:34 PanzerElite wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:33 samurai80 wrote:
Ooooooooh yeaahhhh Showtime !!!!! I would have been so pissed if Mvp won again with this shit.

protoss detected

Don't need to be a toss to think that these SCV pulls all night long are boring/ugly.


Well, to be fair. The whole match up has a big issue. The MSC was added so toss could be more aggressive (Protoss couldn't move out of their base in WoL due to threat of drops). But Protoss have actually been more defensive with the MSC and just tech'ed up.

The fact that map control doesn't matter at all in this match up (until late game when contesting the fourth) makes it boring as hell.

Show time played well but honestly, it wasn't like he was mixing up his play much. Get upgrade, colo, have obs covering the map and defend drops. The only reason that Mvp's push in game 2 work was that Mvp got the third when it was building so that delayed the Protoss enough to hit his timing.
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
September 05 2013 19:48 GMT
#1179
On September 06 2013 04:42 Sissors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:40 Nirel wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:36 wildstyle1337 wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:34 Nirel wrote:
Couldn't Showtime just lose for the sake of Esports?


since when is good for scene if korean wins over foreigner?


Actually I just like MVP but seriously almost everyone would like to see MVP in the later rounds, he's done much more than just a 'Korean'

Who is this almost everyone you are talking about? I definately prefer to see Europeans. And it might be relative many here who prefer MVP, but from the 'casual viewers' I think way more are interested in saying local guys than Koreans fighting for WCS EU.

looking at who do you want to win poll
MVP+Vortix 50%
MVP+Noname 13%
MVP+ShowTime 10%

this means 73% of TL wanted him in, and MVP has a much greater story behind him then ShowTime(no offence but MVP has a history in sc2)
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17749 Posts
September 05 2013 19:48 GMT
#1180
On September 06 2013 04:37 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2013 04:34 Dodgin wrote:
On September 06 2013 04:33 Zenbrez wrote:
Big chance MVP gonna not make blizzcon


small chance actually, someone wrote a program to calculate it and it says something like 8 in 200000 calculations he doesn't make it to blizzcon


Bear in mind that in a lot of those calculations, Mvp made it out of the Ro16. He isn't confirmed through (which he would have been if he had one) but there's still a solid chance. He's just around the range of getting in, so he may need to do well in challenger. 3500 (which is his score) could well be the breaking point for Blizzcon.

It was my program actually. The calculations were without player skill so it calculated Mvp advancing to ro16 at 50/50. I just ran it again with updated results and it still gives Mvp a 99.9915% chance to qualify for blizzcon.
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