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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 23 2013 17:27 GMT
#4101
On August 24 2013 02:26 The_Templar wrote:
Is it just me or do Innovation and Taeja sort of look similar?

Innovation has a larger nose, and his cheekbones look a little less prominent. But I guess with the glasses on?
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
August 23 2013 17:27 GMT
#4102
On August 24 2013 02:26 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:26 The_Templar wrote:
Is it just me or do Innovation and Taeja sort of look similar?

Glasses and hair, especially from that angle? I kinda see it.

Glasses and hair, Innovation's nose though...
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
August 23 2013 17:27 GMT
#4103
+ Show Spoiler +
God to see that the later bit of stream 1 isn't all 2-0s
Nihn'kas Neehn
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 23 2013 17:27 GMT
#4104
On August 24 2013 02:26 The_Templar wrote:
Is it just me or do Innovation and Taeja sort of look similar?


The nose will give it away every time.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46136 Posts
August 23 2013 17:27 GMT
#4105
Glad to see we avoided another 2-0 lol... there have been so many this tournament x.x

Go Innovation!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 17:33:04
August 23 2013 17:28 GMT
#4106
On August 24 2013 02:24 rasnj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:22 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:18 Zealously wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:17 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:08 HazMat wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:06 Krallman wrote:
Classic Finale rolling the dice and getting the better end of it

Salty Swede. He had the build order advantage game 2 and still flopped. Had the win if he scouted game 1 as well. Just outclassed - and it was probably really cold in his booth.


Dont know how you can argue with that ^^ Duckdeok is doing the greediest and most coin flipy builds I've ever seen, hardly any skill in doing that hard gamble. Like there is a big difference between a player like First or someone that doesnt really gamble and plays really nice and safe pvps and Duckdeok that gambles every game and hopes for BO wins.
Wish I could regame duckdeok, my 3gate pressure would slaughter his ultra greedy builds so hard :/


If you "gamble" and keep winning without anyone doing something about it, it may be that your opponents are stupid and you're smart enough not to waste time


well, without doing something. duckdeok's builds are so hit or miss that its really really hard to counter it. his builds are actually pure gamble.

If someone offered me a gamble where I won 80% of the time I would take that too. No matter how much you argue the fact is that duckdeok CONSISTENTLY wins against Naniwa so it isn't really a gamble.


In all the four losses nani got against duckdeok, duckdeok has had an almost unloseable bo win from the 4-5min in the game. Maybe you're not a toss player, but that is how messed up the MU can be and I can understand nani's frustration on how duckdeok managed to roll the right dice in their games ^^
It is really hard to play against duckdeok in pvp because of his super greedy builds. If you just play standard you'll always end up behind and then if you try one game with some early all in and he plays standard, you're fucked. That is why duckdeoks pvps are always so ugly, the game is always decided in the first 5-6 mins, and thats not only vs naniwa. His games vs MC and Grubby where fucking horrible aswell.
Im better than Stefan
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 23 2013 17:28 GMT
#4107
0:00 INITIATING GAME SEQUENCE
2:00 BUILD ACQUIRED, EXECUTING
3:30: ANALYSING ALTERNATIVE BUILDS
4:00: NEGATIVE, INITIATING STANDARD
AdministratorBreak the chains
Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
August 23 2013 17:28 GMT
#4108
On August 24 2013 02:24 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:16 Godwrath wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:13 Godwrath wrote:
Innovation vs Taeja
00:00 MAP LOADED
00:00 INTERFACE ONLINE
00:01 SCANNING POSSIBLE BUILD ORDERS

1:00 ACQUIRING REGULAR BUILD
1:00 EXECUTING
1:15 EXECUTING
1:30 EXECUTING


5:00 EXECUTING
10:00 UNEXPECTED BUILD ENCOUNTERED, PROCESSING
15:00 DOES NOT COMPUTE
15:01 GG

Innovation at his finest xD
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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 17:29:14
August 23 2013 17:28 GMT
#4109
On August 24 2013 02:26 The_Templar wrote:
Is it just me or do Innovation and Taeja sort of look similar?

well, they have a similar haircut, both wear glasses and their noses are quite prominent. so yeah, they do look similar.
innovation wins the nose battle, though.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
August 23 2013 17:28 GMT
#4110
On August 24 2013 02:26 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:24 rasnj wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:22 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:18 Zealously wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:17 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:08 HazMat wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:06 Krallman wrote:
Classic Finale rolling the dice and getting the better end of it

Salty Swede. He had the build order advantage game 2 and still flopped. Had the win if he scouted game 1 as well. Just outclassed - and it was probably really cold in his booth.


Dont know how you can argue with that ^^ Duckdeok is doing the greediest and most coin flipy builds I've ever seen, hardly any skill in doing that hard gamble. Like there is a big difference between a player like First or someone that doesnt really gamble and plays really nice and safe pvps and Duckdeok that gambles every game and hopes for BO wins.
Wish I could regame duckdeok, my 3gate pressure would slaughter his ultra greedy builds so hard :/


If you "gamble" and keep winning without anyone doing something about it, it may be that your opponents are stupid and you're smart enough not to waste time


well, without doing something. duckdeok's builds are so hit or miss that its really really hard to counter it. his builds are actually pure gamble.

If someone offered me a gamble where I won 80% of the time I would take that too. No matter how much you argue the fact is that duckdeok CONSISTENTLY wins against Naniwa so it isn't really a gamble.


how many games have they played? 6? I got 6 seven times in a row once when rolling a dice. Guess im just that good.

If you only ever rolled a dice 7 times then you are either good or very lucky. This is not a cherry picked win streak among hundreds of games, this is the total of all their games. Yes some luck may be involved, but if you look at the games duckdeok seems to outclass naniwa in game no matter how their builds match up. In the series today it is quite a stretch to call them bo wins for duckdeok.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
August 23 2013 17:28 GMT
#4111
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)

00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10120 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 17:30:02
August 23 2013 17:29 GMT
#4112
On August 24 2013 02:13 Supter wrote:
Juan Moreno ‏@mouzVortiX 47s
Pues anda que no son buenos en piedra papel y tijera algunos que te meten 5-1 como si nada.

I understood "piedra" (rock) and "papel" (paper), so I guess it's about Naniwa's tweet. Can someone translate for us ? (Vortix's tweet)


Well look, are not good those guys that won you in paper scissor rock 5-1 pretty easy? .... kinda goes like that
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
August 23 2013 17:29 GMT
#4113
On August 24 2013 02:26 BigFan wrote:
disappointing that Inno lost that but gotta hand it o Taeja, he caught him right as he took the third. Innovation should scout more because he was caught out of position big time there.

The thing is, he wasn't really caught out of position. He unsieged both tanks there(presumably to stop blocking his own ramp, so units could get down) and threw down 2x SMs on 2 diff tanks. It was just a terrible decision, if he had unsieged 1 tank and moved down and then unsieged the other I dont think he'd have died atleast most certainly he'd have not taken so much dmg. Add ontop of that either SMx2 the front tank, use 1-2x PDDs or 3-4x ATs, was questionable decisionmaking there...
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
August 23 2013 17:29 GMT
#4114
On August 24 2013 02:25 The_Templar wrote:
(T)INnoVation vs (T)TaeJa
1-1
Map: Newkirk


Innovation spawns in the bottom right.
Taeja spawns in the bottom left.

1:00
Both players getting barracks.
Innovation getting a very fast refinery.

2:00
Taeja's is at a normal timing.
Innovation getting a reaper before a marine.
Taeja getting just marines.

3:00
Innovation getting a second reaper.
Both players banking money for an expansion, it seems.

4:00
Innovation tries to move in with his first reaper but Taeja has well placed marines.
Both players expanding, Taeja on the high ground.
Innovation moves into the natural but Taeja fends it off.

5:00
Taeja fending off the reapers perfectly but Innovation sees everything.
Innovation getting double hellion as well as a starport.
Taeja getting a starport.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 23 2013 17:29 GMT
#4115
6:00 ENGAGE AUTOPILOT
AdministratorBreak the chains
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
August 23 2013 17:29 GMT
#4116
On August 24 2013 02:28 Krallman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:24 rasnj wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:22 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:18 Zealously wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:17 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:08 HazMat wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:06 Krallman wrote:
Classic Finale rolling the dice and getting the better end of it

Salty Swede. He had the build order advantage game 2 and still flopped. Had the win if he scouted game 1 as well. Just outclassed - and it was probably really cold in his booth.


Dont know how you can argue with that ^^ Duckdeok is doing the greediest and most coin flipy builds I've ever seen, hardly any skill in doing that hard gamble. Like there is a big difference between a player like First or someone that doesnt really gamble and plays really nice and safe pvps and Duckdeok that gambles every game and hopes for BO wins.
Wish I could regame duckdeok, my 3gate pressure would slaughter his ultra greedy builds so hard :/


If you "gamble" and keep winning without anyone doing something about it, it may be that your opponents are stupid and you're smart enough not to waste time


well, without doing something. duckdeok's builds are so hit or miss that its really really hard to counter it. his builds are actually pure gamble.

If someone offered me a gamble where I won 80% of the time I would take that too. No matter how much you argue the fact is that duckdeok CONSISTENTLY wins against Naniwa so it isn't really a gamble.


In all the four losses nani got against duckdeok, duckdeok has had an almost unloseable bo win from the 4-5min in the game. Maybe you're not a toss player, but that is how messed up the MU can be and I can understand nani's frustration on how duckdeok managed to roll the right dice in their games ^^


Salty swede is salty! Naniwa just isn't on the same level as duck duck and was totally outclassed in both series they played.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27048 Posts
August 23 2013 17:29 GMT
#4117
On August 24 2013 02:28 Zealously wrote:
0:00 INITIATING GAME SEQUENCE
2:00 BUILD ACQUIRED, EXECUTING
3:30: ANALYSING ALTERNATIVE BUILDS
4:00: NEGATIVE, INITIATING STANDARD

Please, please continue LRing in a similar vein, made my day lol
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10120 Posts
August 23 2013 17:30 GMT
#4118
On August 24 2013 02:29 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:28 Zealously wrote:
0:00 INITIATING GAME SEQUENCE
2:00 BUILD ACQUIRED, EXECUTING
3:30: ANALYSING ALTERNATIVE BUILDS
4:00: NEGATIVE, INITIATING STANDARD

Please, please continue LRing in a similar vein, made my day lol

hahah wow thats gold Jerry, gold!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10152 Posts
August 23 2013 17:30 GMT
#4119
On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)

00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED

5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE.
5:00 DENIED
5:15 DENIED
6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN.
6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES
6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD
Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 17:31:47
August 23 2013 17:30 GMT
#4120
Im better than Stefan
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