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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 23 2013 17:30 GMT
#4121
Wow a reaper getting blown up by a banshee looks gruesome
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
August 23 2013 17:31 GMT
#4122
On August 24 2013 02:29 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:28 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:24 rasnj wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:22 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:18 Zealously wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:17 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:08 HazMat wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:06 Krallman wrote:
Classic Finale rolling the dice and getting the better end of it

Salty Swede. He had the build order advantage game 2 and still flopped. Had the win if he scouted game 1 as well. Just outclassed - and it was probably really cold in his booth.


Dont know how you can argue with that ^^ Duckdeok is doing the greediest and most coin flipy builds I've ever seen, hardly any skill in doing that hard gamble. Like there is a big difference between a player like First or someone that doesnt really gamble and plays really nice and safe pvps and Duckdeok that gambles every game and hopes for BO wins.
Wish I could regame duckdeok, my 3gate pressure would slaughter his ultra greedy builds so hard :/


If you "gamble" and keep winning without anyone doing something about it, it may be that your opponents are stupid and you're smart enough not to waste time


well, without doing something. duckdeok's builds are so hit or miss that its really really hard to counter it. his builds are actually pure gamble.

If someone offered me a gamble where I won 80% of the time I would take that too. No matter how much you argue the fact is that duckdeok CONSISTENTLY wins against Naniwa so it isn't really a gamble.


In all the four losses nani got against duckdeok, duckdeok has had an almost unloseable bo win from the 4-5min in the game. Maybe you're not a toss player, but that is how messed up the MU can be and I can understand nani's frustration on how duckdeok managed to roll the right dice in their games ^^


Salty swede is salty! Naniwa just isn't on the same level as duck duck and was totally outclassed in both series they played.

*five losses
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 23 2013 17:31 GMT
#4123
please nerf Bogus' Reapers ... so annoying scout :o
@taefoxy
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 23 2013 17:31 GMT
#4124
Bogus going mech vs bio Taeja, this should be good
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10132 Posts
August 23 2013 17:32 GMT
#4125
On August 24 2013 02:30 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)

00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED

5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE.
5:00 DENIED
5:15 DENIED
6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN.
6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES
6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD

7:00 ALERT BANSHEE HARASSMENT INCOMING
8:00 RAVEN ONLINE
8:30 SELECT HELLIONS;VECTOR:WATCHTOWER
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
August 23 2013 17:32 GMT
#4126
JUST WOKE UP.


HOLY SHIT, JAEDONNNNNNNGGGG
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
August 23 2013 17:32 GMT
#4127
Time for a two hour long game.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
August 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#4128
Not a single kill was done by the banshee.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
August 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#4129
On August 24 2013 02:29 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:25 The_Templar wrote:
(T)INnoVation vs (T)TaeJa
1-1
Map: Newkirk


Innovation spawns in the bottom right.
Taeja spawns in the bottom left.

1:00
Both players getting barracks.
Innovation getting a very fast refinery.

2:00
Taeja's is at a normal timing.
Innovation getting a reaper before a marine.
Taeja getting just marines.

3:00
Innovation getting a second reaper.
Both players banking money for an expansion, it seems.

4:00
Innovation tries to move in with his first reaper but Taeja has well placed marines.
Both players expanding, Taeja on the high ground.
Innovation moves into the natural but Taeja fends it off.

5:00
Taeja fending off the reapers perfectly but Innovation sees everything.
Innovation getting double hellion as well as a starport.
Taeja getting a starport.

6:00 (T)INnoVation 35 vs (T)TaeJa 33
Innovation sees the starport with the tech lab with a reaper but loses the reaper.
Taeja lands his second CC.

7:00 (T)INnoVation 46 vs (T)TaeJa 44
Innovation sending his second reaper in the main and sees the banshee. He loses the second reaper.
Raven already on the way for Innovation.
Taeja moving out with a banshee.
Both players building a third CC

8:00 (T)INnoVation 56 vs (T)TaeJa 63
Innovation with "spider mines"?
Innovation getting 2 more factories.
Taeja getting stim.
Banshee kills some stray factory units.

9:00 (T)INnoVation 77 vs (T)TaeJa 71
Taeja getting 1/1 bio.
Innovation getting blue flame and tanks as well as an armory.
Taeja loses the banshee.

10:00 (T)INnoVation 90 vs (T)TaeJa 84
Both players landing their third.
Taeja getting bio/tank composition.
Innovation building hellbats.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#4130
On August 24 2013 02:32 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:30 Godwrath wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)

00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED

5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE.
5:00 DENIED
5:15 DENIED
6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN.
6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES
6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD

7:00 ALERT BANSHEE HARASSMENT INCOMING
8:00 RAVEN ONLINE
8:30 SELECT HELLIONS;VECTOR:WATCHTOWER


10:00 BUILD ORDER VARIANCE ((sqrt4))x^2
10:01 NEGATIVE, RETURNING TO BASICS
AdministratorBreak the chains
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#4131
On August 24 2013 02:32 Havik_ wrote:
Time for a two hour long game.

TaeJa's probably gonna doom drop and end it in like 10 minutes.
kiss kiss fall in love
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
August 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#4132
This should be fun, TaeJa's hallmark play is his Bio-play, while INoVation is a strong Mech player as well.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
August 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#4133
On August 24 2013 02:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Bogus going mech vs bio Taeja, this should be good

He's been using this build 3 games in a row
@taefoxy
PerSe
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom550 Posts
August 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#4134
this is gg. Taeja only has like 33.7% chance of beating Inno in a drawn out game.
Code
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada634 Posts
August 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#4135
Thanks for the LR!

Stupid work..
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
August 23 2013 17:34 GMT
#4136
On August 24 2013 02:33 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:32 Godwrath wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:30 Godwrath wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)

00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED

5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE.
5:00 DENIED
5:15 DENIED
6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN.
6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES
6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD

7:00 ALERT BANSHEE HARASSMENT INCOMING
8:00 RAVEN ONLINE
8:30 SELECT HELLIONS;VECTOR:WATCHTOWER


10:00 BUILD ORDER VARIANCE ((sqrt4))x^2
10:01 NEGATIVE, RETURNING TO BASICS

So, Bomber's Garry Kasparov?
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 23 2013 17:34 GMT
#4137
On August 24 2013 02:33 PhoenixVoid wrote:
This should be fun, TaeJa's hallmark play is his Bio-play, while INoVation is a strong Mech player as well.


EXCUSE ME SIR IT'S NOT MECH IF IT'S NOT EXCLUSIVELY TANKS
AdministratorBreak the chains
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
August 23 2013 17:34 GMT
#4138
Seeing that seeker missile, could you rescue the SCV by loading him into the Orbital?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10132 Posts
August 23 2013 17:34 GMT
#4139
On August 24 2013 02:32 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:30 Godwrath wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)

00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED

5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE.
5:00 DENIED
5:15 DENIED
6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN.
6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES
6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD

7:00 ALERT BANSHEE HARASSMENT INCOMING
8:00 RAVEN ONLINE
8:30 SELECT HELLIONS;VECTOR:WATCHTOWER

+ Show Spoiler +
being on one screen sucks :p


10:50 ACQUIRING THIRD EXPANSION
11:00 SELECT;AIR;SCOUT MAIN
12:00 SCV;ENEMY;DESTROY
12:00 HUNTER SEEKER LAUNCHED
12:06 HUNTER SEEKER SUCCEED. KILL COUNT: 1
Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
August 23 2013 17:34 GMT
#4140
On August 24 2013 02:28 rasnj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:26 Fjodorov wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:24 rasnj wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:22 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:18 Zealously wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:17 Krallman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:08 HazMat wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:06 Krallman wrote:
Classic Finale rolling the dice and getting the better end of it

Salty Swede. He had the build order advantage game 2 and still flopped. Had the win if he scouted game 1 as well. Just outclassed - and it was probably really cold in his booth.


Dont know how you can argue with that ^^ Duckdeok is doing the greediest and most coin flipy builds I've ever seen, hardly any skill in doing that hard gamble. Like there is a big difference between a player like First or someone that doesnt really gamble and plays really nice and safe pvps and Duckdeok that gambles every game and hopes for BO wins.
Wish I could regame duckdeok, my 3gate pressure would slaughter his ultra greedy builds so hard :/


If you "gamble" and keep winning without anyone doing something about it, it may be that your opponents are stupid and you're smart enough not to waste time


well, without doing something. duckdeok's builds are so hit or miss that its really really hard to counter it. his builds are actually pure gamble.

If someone offered me a gamble where I won 80% of the time I would take that too. No matter how much you argue the fact is that duckdeok CONSISTENTLY wins against Naniwa so it isn't really a gamble.


how many games have they played? 6? I got 6 seven times in a row once when rolling a dice. Guess im just that good.

If you only ever rolled a dice 7 times then you are either good or very lucky. This is not a cherry picked win streak among hundreds of games, this is the total of all their games. Yes some luck may be involved, but if you look at the games duckdeok seems to outclass naniwa in game no matter how their builds match up. In the series today it is quite a stretch to call them bo wins for duckdeok.


hells yeah you're gonna look outclassed when the early games look like that. try to play with a 15 probe deficiet in pvp yourself and see how well it'll go ^^
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