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On August 24 2013 02:33 Aeromi wrote:
Not a single kill was done by the banshee.
Not true! Banshee killed a Reaper 
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Can Artosis and Rotter stop sucking Innovation's dick?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On August 24 2013 02:34 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:33 Zealously wrote:On August 24 2013 02:32 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:30 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)
00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED 5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE. 5:00 DENIED 5:15 DENIED 6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN. 6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES 6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD 7:00 ALERT BANSHEE HARASSMENT INCOMING 8:00 RAVEN ONLINE 8:30 SELECT HELLIONS;VECTOR:WATCHTOWER 10:00 BUILD ORDER VARIANCE ((sqrt4))x^2 10:01 NEGATIVE, RETURNING TO BASICS So, Bomber's Garry Kasparov?
Does being like Kasparov not imply some degree of consistency?
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 24 2013 02:33 PerSe wrote:
this is gg. Taeja only has like 33.7% chance of beating Inno in a drawn out game.
I'd like that formula please, I want to calculate Taeja's chances of beating Innovation with a cheese
wild guess says >95%
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On August 24 2013 02:31 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:29 Canucklehead wrote:On August 24 2013 02:28 Krallman wrote:On August 24 2013 02:24 rasnj wrote:On August 24 2013 02:22 Krallman wrote:On August 24 2013 02:18 Zealously wrote:On August 24 2013 02:17 Krallman wrote:On August 24 2013 02:08 HazMat wrote:On August 24 2013 02:06 Krallman wrote:
Classic Finale rolling the dice and getting the better end of it Salty Swede. He had the build order advantage game 2 and still flopped. Had the win if he scouted game 1 as well. Just outclassed - and it was probably really cold in his booth. Dont know how you can argue with that ^^ Duckdeok is doing the greediest and most coin flipy builds I've ever seen, hardly any skill in doing that hard gamble. Like there is a big difference between a player like First or someone that doesnt really gamble and plays really nice and safe pvps and Duckdeok that gambles every game and hopes for BO wins. Wish I could regame duckdeok, my 3gate pressure would slaughter his ultra greedy builds so hard :/ If you "gamble" and keep winning without anyone doing something about it, it may be that your opponents are stupid and you're smart enough not to waste time well, without doing something. duckdeok's builds are so hit or miss that its really really hard to counter it. his builds are actually pure gamble. If someone offered me a gamble where I won 80% of the time I would take that too. No matter how much you argue the fact is that duckdeok CONSISTENTLY wins against Naniwa so it isn't really a gamble. In all the four losses nani got against duckdeok, duckdeok has had an almost unloseable bo win from the 4-5min in the game. Maybe you're not a toss player, but that is how messed up the MU can be and I can understand nani's frustration on how duckdeok managed to roll the right dice in their games ^^ Salty swede is salty! Naniwa just isn't on the same level as duck duck and was totally outclassed in both series they played. *five losses
forgot it was a bo5
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super super late tvt would be cool
we haven´t seen that in a while
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taeja ahead in supply what is the sorcery
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On August 24 2013 02:34 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:33 PerSe wrote:
this is gg. Taeja only has like 33.7% chance of beating Inno in a drawn out game. I'd like that formula please, I want to calculate Taeja's chances of beating Innovation with a cheese wild guess says >95%
Only if said cheese received Prime's seal of approval.
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On August 24 2013 02:34 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:32 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:30 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)
00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED 5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE. 5:00 DENIED 5:15 DENIED 6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN. 6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES 6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD 7:00 ALERT BANSHEE HARASSMENT INCOMING 8:00 RAVEN ONLINE 8:30 SELECT HELLIONS;VECTOR:WATCHTOWER + Show Spoiler +being on one screen sucks :p 10:50 ACQUIRING THIRD EXPANSION 11:00 SELECT;AIR;SCOUT MAIN 12:00 SCV;ENEMY;DESTROY 12:00 HUNTER SEEKER LAUNCHED 12:06 HUNTER SEEKER SUCCEED. KILL COUNT: 1
This robot is flawed, the correct name is "Seeker Missile", there is no Hunter. We need to do some reprogramming.
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On August 24 2013 02:34 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:34 DidYuhim wrote:On August 24 2013 02:33 Zealously wrote:On August 24 2013 02:32 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:30 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)
00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED 5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE. 5:00 DENIED 5:15 DENIED 6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN. 6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES 6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD 7:00 ALERT BANSHEE HARASSMENT INCOMING 8:00 RAVEN ONLINE 8:30 SELECT HELLIONS;VECTOR:WATCHTOWER 10:00 BUILD ORDER VARIANCE ((sqrt4))x^2 10:01 NEGATIVE, RETURNING TO BASICS So, Bomber's Garry Kasparov? Does being like Kasparov not imply some degree of consistency?
Uh, Kasparov is a chess player that beat some sort of supercomputer in a chess game.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Marine Marauder Tank Medivac vs Tank Hellion Viking Hellbat.
So Bio-tank vs Bio-tank. 
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On August 24 2013 02:34 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:33 PerSe wrote:
this is gg. Taeja only has like 33.7% chance of beating Inno in a drawn out game. I'd like that formula please, I want to calculate Taeja's chances of beating Innovation with a cheese wild guess says >95%
77% of beating Inno with Cheese unless you are Maru, in which case it is 93.4%
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On August 24 2013 02:35 DidYuhim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:34 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 24 2013 02:34 DidYuhim wrote:On August 24 2013 02:33 Zealously wrote:On August 24 2013 02:32 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:30 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)
00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED 5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE. 5:00 DENIED 5:15 DENIED 6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN. 6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES 6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD 7:00 ALERT BANSHEE HARASSMENT INCOMING 8:00 RAVEN ONLINE 8:30 SELECT HELLIONS;VECTOR:WATCHTOWER 10:00 BUILD ORDER VARIANCE ((sqrt4))x^2 10:01 NEGATIVE, RETURNING TO BASICS So, Bomber's Garry Kasparov? Does being like Kasparov not imply some degree of consistency? Uh, Kasparov is a chess player that beat some sort of supercomputer in a chess game.
Oh. I see.
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TWO SCVS CURRENTLY IDLING
INEFFICIENCY DETECTED
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On August 24 2013 02:34 Krallman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:28 rasnj wrote:On August 24 2013 02:26 Fjodorov wrote:On August 24 2013 02:24 rasnj wrote:On August 24 2013 02:22 Krallman wrote:On August 24 2013 02:18 Zealously wrote:On August 24 2013 02:17 Krallman wrote:On August 24 2013 02:08 HazMat wrote:On August 24 2013 02:06 Krallman wrote:
Classic Finale rolling the dice and getting the better end of it Salty Swede. He had the build order advantage game 2 and still flopped. Had the win if he scouted game 1 as well. Just outclassed - and it was probably really cold in his booth. Dont know how you can argue with that ^^ Duckdeok is doing the greediest and most coin flipy builds I've ever seen, hardly any skill in doing that hard gamble. Like there is a big difference between a player like First or someone that doesnt really gamble and plays really nice and safe pvps and Duckdeok that gambles every game and hopes for BO wins. Wish I could regame duckdeok, my 3gate pressure would slaughter his ultra greedy builds so hard :/ If you "gamble" and keep winning without anyone doing something about it, it may be that your opponents are stupid and you're smart enough not to waste time well, without doing something. duckdeok's builds are so hit or miss that its really really hard to counter it. his builds are actually pure gamble. If someone offered me a gamble where I won 80% of the time I would take that too. No matter how much you argue the fact is that duckdeok CONSISTENTLY wins against Naniwa so it isn't really a gamble. how many games have they played? 6? I got 6 seven times in a row once when rolling a dice. Guess im just that good. If you only ever rolled a dice 7 times then you are either good or very lucky. This is not a cherry picked win streak among hundreds of games, this is the total of all their games. Yes some luck may be involved, but if you look at the games duckdeok seems to outclass naniwa in game no matter how their builds match up. In the series today it is quite a stretch to call them bo wins for duckdeok. hells yeah you're gonna look outclassed when the early games look like that. try to play with a 15 probe deficiet in pvp yourself and see how well it'll go ^^
There is no need to argue. I see that your mind is not changed by anything I, or anyone else, might post so I'll just let you live in your own little world. No need to pollute the LR with this anymore, we have both posted our perspective.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 24 2013 02:35 XaCez wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:34 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:32 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:30 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)
00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED 5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE. 5:00 DENIED 5:15 DENIED 6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN. 6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES 6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD 7:00 ALERT BANSHEE HARASSMENT INCOMING 8:00 RAVEN ONLINE 8:30 SELECT HELLIONS;VECTOR:WATCHTOWER + Show Spoiler +being on one screen sucks :p 10:50 ACQUIRING THIRD EXPANSION 11:00 SELECT;AIR;SCOUT MAIN 12:00 SCV;ENEMY;DESTROY 12:00 HUNTER SEEKER LAUNCHED 12:06 HUNTER SEEKER SUCCEED. KILL COUNT: 1 This robot is flawed, the correct name is "Seeker Missile", there is no Hunter. We need to do some reprogramming.
RESPONSE; REPROGRAMMING: NEGATIVE, MAINTAIN ORIGINAL PROGRAMMING (MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY)
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On August 24 2013 02:36 PhoenixVoid wrote:
TWO SCVS CURRENTLY IDLING
INEFFICIENCY DETECTED
funnily enough bogus always has tons of idle scvs
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On August 24 2013 02:34 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:32 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:30 Godwrath wrote:On August 24 2013 02:28 Godwrath wrote:
Taeja vs Innovation (Innovation's POV)
00:50
01:00 LOAD BUILD ORDER
02:00 ACQUIRE VESPENE
03:00 VECTORING REAPERS
04:00 SCOUT NATURAL BASE. EXPANSION NOT LANDED 5:00 REAPERS; VECTOR; MAIN BASE. 5:00 DENIED 5:15 DENIED 6:25 ACCESSING ENEMY'S MAIN. 6:30 COMPUTING BUILD ORDER POSSIBILITIES 6:35 BIOMECH STANDARD BUILD 7:00 ALERT BANSHEE HARASSMENT INCOMING 8:00 RAVEN ONLINE 8:30 SELECT HELLIONS;VECTOR:WATCHTOWER + Show Spoiler +being on one screen sucks :p 10:50 ACQUIRING THIRD EXPANSION 11:00 SELECT;AIR;SCOUT MAIN 12:00 SCV;ENEMY;DESTROY 12:00 HUNTER SEEKER LAUNCHED 12:06 HUNTER SEEKER SUCCEED. KILL COUNT: 1
12:30 SHOW EMOTION; TARGET; FANS
14:45 SYSTEM FAILURE; UNABLE TO SELECT HELLIONS
16;00 ENEMY REACHING CRITICAL MASS
16:05 SELECT; HELLIONS; TRADE
16:10 ERROR #37
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your Country52797 Posts
On August 24 2013 02:33 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2013 02:29 The_Templar wrote:On August 24 2013 02:25 The_Templar wrote:Innovation spawns in the bottom right. Taeja spawns in the bottom left. 1:00 Both players getting barracks. Innovation getting a very fast refinery. 2:00 Taeja's is at a normal timing. Innovation getting a reaper before a marine. Taeja getting just marines. 3:00 Innovation getting a second reaper. Both players banking money for an expansion, it seems. 4:00 Innovation tries to move in with his first reaper but Taeja has well placed marines. Both players expanding, Taeja on the high ground. Innovation moves into the natural but Taeja fends it off. 5:00 Taeja fending off the reapers perfectly but Innovation sees everything. Innovation getting double hellion as well as a starport. Taeja getting a starport. 6:00  INnoVation 35 vs TaeJa 33 Innovation sees the starport with the tech lab with a reaper but loses the reaper. Taeja lands his second CC. 7:00 INnoVation 46 vs TaeJa 44 Innovation sending his second reaper in the main and sees the banshee. He loses the second reaper. Raven already on the way for Innovation. Taeja moving out with a banshee. Both players building a third CC 8:00 INnoVation 56 vs TaeJa 63 Innovation with "spider mines"? Innovation getting 2 more factories. Taeja getting stim. Banshee kills some stray factory units. 9:00 INnoVation 77 vs TaeJa 71 Taeja getting 1/1 bio. Innovation getting blue flame and tanks as well as an armory. Taeja loses the banshee. 10:00 INnoVation 90 vs TaeJa 84 Both players landing their third. Taeja getting bio/tank composition. Innovation building hellbats.
11:00 INnoVation 117 vs TaeJa 107
Innovation scouting with vikings.
Seeker missile kills an SCV.
12:00 INnoVation 131 vs TaeJa 125
Innovation killing some SCVs with hellions.
Taeja getting concussive shell and 2/2
Innovation has lots of tanks
Taeja kills a widow mine in the middle of the map.
13:00 INnoVation 146 vs TaeJa 149
Innovation defending but being agressive with hellbats.
14:00 INnoVation 162 vs TaeJa 173
Innovation losing hellbats and hellions while being aggressive.
Both players getting a 4th command center.
Taeja has 2 factories with tanks.
Innovation has a 5th CC building.
Taeja is pushing.
15:00 INnoVation 170 vs TaeJa 195
Innovation loses even more hellions to Taeja,
Taeja gives Innovation some free hits with seige tanks and Taeja commits to a fight.
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That went awful for TaeJa.
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EPT
