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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24578 Posts
August 06 2013 18:05 GMT
#721
On August 07 2013 03:04 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:03 Heartland wrote:
If Elfi is God, what is Welmu then?

The finnish holy trinity, elfi the father, welmu the son, naama the holy spirit. Together they create the stupidest most wtf builds that confuse many a man and anger many an idra.


Haha, that is brilliant.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
August 06 2013 18:05 GMT
#722
On August 07 2013 03:04 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:03 Heartland wrote:
If Elfi is God, what is Welmu then?

The finnish holy trinity, elfi the father, welmu the son, naama the holy spirit. Together they create the stupidest most wtf builds that confuse many a man and anger many an idra.


What about Fuzer?
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97274 Posts
August 06 2013 18:05 GMT
#723
On August 07 2013 03:05 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:04 Fusilero wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:03 Heartland wrote:
If Elfi is God, what is Welmu then?

The finnish holy trinity, elfi the father, welmu the son, naama the holy spirit. Together they create the stupidest most wtf builds that confuse many a man and anger many an idra.


What about Fuzer?

the prodigal son
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DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
August 06 2013 18:06 GMT
#724
On August 07 2013 03:04 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:03 Heartland wrote:
If Elfi is God, what is Welmu then?

The finnish holy trinity, elfi the father, welmu the son, naama the holy spirit. Together they create the stupidest most wtf builds that confuse many a man and anger many an idra.

under the name Fuzer
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 06 2013 18:06 GMT
#725
What about Canada?

Grrr... the legend and Scarlett the second coming?
kiss kiss fall in love
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24578 Posts
August 06 2013 18:06 GMT
#726
On August 07 2013 03:05 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:05 Xoronius wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:04 Fusilero wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:03 Heartland wrote:
If Elfi is God, what is Welmu then?

The finnish holy trinity, elfi the father, welmu the son, naama the holy spirit. Together they create the stupidest most wtf builds that confuse many a man and anger many an idra.


What about Fuzer?

the prodigal son


No, he's their prophet. His two-rax will spread the word of Finland's crazy play through every corner of the earth.
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
August 06 2013 18:07 GMT
#727
Argh, i came late and didn't realize that stephano lost till now.... poor man.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 06 2013 18:07 GMT
#728
On August 07 2013 03:07 MaxField wrote:
Argh, i came late and didn't realize that stephano lost till now.... poor man.

I guess when you're a world-class player for that long, people can study your strategies.
kiss kiss fall in love
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 06 2013 18:07 GMT
#729
On August 07 2013 03:04 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:00 Heartland wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:57 Heartland wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:54 Xaeldaren wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:51 TeeTS wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:48 Xaeldaren wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:46 ntssauce wrote:
sub par player beats top EU player as protoss after MVP yesterday lost to 2 okayish protoss. unbelievable.


Overconfident Terran player decides to not scout effectively enough and put down a third command centre vs two all-ins and loses because of it.

You can't explain that.


yeah, noone should complain about 2base colossus pushes being OP. I truly think coloss openings are very okay to deal with as terran, even if they're pushes. a bit disappointing :o
Hasu showed the builds I have problems with too yesterday, but Lucifron shouldn't lose against that


Yeah. I play Protoss and I'm starting to think that Photon Overcharge is too strong (especially after watching Oz vs Ryung yesterday) and that Terrans do need to compensate by being greedier in the early/midgame. That doesn't mean you can blindly do it though and you need to know just what you're up against if you're going to throw down that 3rd CC.


I'm not too sure why everyone is focusing on HasuObs's build when Oz did what he did to Ryung yesterday. Balancewise it had much more breaking potential than what Hasu did.


What happened?


Oz took a third and teched at the same time off of one gate, and he held a 2base 3rax pressure (pre-medivac) build from Ryung. Now, Ryung played badly, which is why no one cared I guess, but Oz was really confident that he would win, which means he expected his build to work even if Ryung played well.


Aha. I've been thinking that all the old Squirtle/Parting openings in PvT should still be applicable, the 17-Nex from one gate and the one-gate three Nexi.


Yeah, there's a 16/17 gate into Nexus build that HerO did against Sound on Whirlwind at MLG. He even got arguably a poor build matchup as Sound went hellion/marine pressure against delayed tech from HerO but he still smacked it down. So that build is definitely viable.

The 1 gate 3 nexus build I've never seen in HotS


Still, in theory with lack of Terran aggression in the early game you should be able to exchange the crazy early teching that P does to a third Nexus instead. But it's all theory right now.


I guess so but the crazy teching is in response to an earlier terran third and to not be contained for too long. I feel like terran could just do a standard medivac pushout, take a third behind it and protoss would have to make so many units (skipping tech) that with constant reinforcements and multipronged attacks, terran could just trade protoss down and eventually break through. And if they catch you out of position once you'd lose a nexus for sure, leaving you with low tech and equal economy
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
August 06 2013 18:07 GMT
#730
David Kim is pleased at these protoss results.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
August 06 2013 18:08 GMT
#731
On August 07 2013 02:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 02:57 stuchiu wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:55 DOUDOU wrote:
the protossocalypse

all Protoss playoffs

WCS EU S2 2013 you will remember


Innovation's just gonna win the finals again anyway


There's this kid called Maru....

Jaedong 2-1 all time vs Noobivation


rude
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
August 06 2013 18:08 GMT
#732
On August 07 2013 02:59 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 02:57 Godwrath wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 Xoronius wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:55 SayTT wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Lucifron is now 12-18 vs Protoss since July 1st so I'm not too surprised he lost


+ that he doesn't have the ballz to go deep in a tournament.


Are you physically able to make posts, which don´t inculde player bashing or the word "ballz"?

Only at Lucifron. I heard Lucifron once stole his puppies so it's fair.


Nah, I checked his post history, there was a lot of Stardust-flaming in there as well.


have you seen how stardust and lucifron looks alike? they are like twins without ballz
-,-
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
August 06 2013 18:09 GMT
#733
(P)duckdeok versus (P)Welmu PvP
Game 1. Winners Match.
Map is Whirlwind.

0:00-4:00

(P)duckdeok spawns in the bottom left
(P)Welmu spawns in the bottom right

13 gateway for both players.
14 gas for Welmu. second 15 gas for Welmu.
15 gas for duckdeok. Second gas on 16 for Duckdeok.

Welmu puts 2 workers in each of his gasses.
Duckdeok puts 3 workers in each of his.
Similarly timed cyber cores for both players.
Welmu builds a zealot, duckdeok does not.

Mega fast stargate before any units for duckdeok.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24578 Posts
August 06 2013 18:09 GMT
#734
On August 07 2013 03:07 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:04 Heartland wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:00 Heartland wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:57 Heartland wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:54 Xaeldaren wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:51 TeeTS wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:48 Xaeldaren wrote:
[quote]

Overconfident Terran player decides to not scout effectively enough and put down a third command centre vs two all-ins and loses because of it.

You can't explain that.


yeah, noone should complain about 2base colossus pushes being OP. I truly think coloss openings are very okay to deal with as terran, even if they're pushes. a bit disappointing :o
Hasu showed the builds I have problems with too yesterday, but Lucifron shouldn't lose against that


Yeah. I play Protoss and I'm starting to think that Photon Overcharge is too strong (especially after watching Oz vs Ryung yesterday) and that Terrans do need to compensate by being greedier in the early/midgame. That doesn't mean you can blindly do it though and you need to know just what you're up against if you're going to throw down that 3rd CC.


I'm not too sure why everyone is focusing on HasuObs's build when Oz did what he did to Ryung yesterday. Balancewise it had much more breaking potential than what Hasu did.


What happened?


Oz took a third and teched at the same time off of one gate, and he held a 2base 3rax pressure (pre-medivac) build from Ryung. Now, Ryung played badly, which is why no one cared I guess, but Oz was really confident that he would win, which means he expected his build to work even if Ryung played well.


Aha. I've been thinking that all the old Squirtle/Parting openings in PvT should still be applicable, the 17-Nex from one gate and the one-gate three Nexi.


Yeah, there's a 16/17 gate into Nexus build that HerO did against Sound on Whirlwind at MLG. He even got arguably a poor build matchup as Sound went hellion/marine pressure against delayed tech from HerO but he still smacked it down. So that build is definitely viable.

The 1 gate 3 nexus build I've never seen in HotS


Still, in theory with lack of Terran aggression in the early game you should be able to exchange the crazy early teching that P does to a third Nexus instead. But it's all theory right now.


I guess so but the crazy teching is in response to an earlier terran third and to not be contained for too long. I feel like terran could just do a standard medivac pushout, take a third behind it and protoss would have to make so many units (skipping tech) that with constant reinforcements and multipronged attacks, terran could just trade protoss down and eventually break through. And if they catch you out of position once you'd lose a nexus for sure, leaving you with low tech and equal economy



Yeah, but the Squirtle/Parting build is three Nexus into a timing attack with eight gates, to hit just before Medivacs. So maybe that'd work to smash the Terran before they get that whole thing rolling so you can tech behind it.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97274 Posts
August 06 2013 18:09 GMT
#735
On August 07 2013 03:08 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 02:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:57 stuchiu wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:55 DOUDOU wrote:
the protossocalypse

all Protoss playoffs

WCS EU S2 2013 you will remember


Innovation's just gonna win the finals again anyway


There's this kid called Maru....

Jaedong 2-1 all time vs Noobivation


rude

I am the rudest person on TL
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TL+ Member
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7084 Posts
August 06 2013 18:09 GMT
#736
Fuzer is Josef and Fuzeriina is Maria
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
August 06 2013 18:10 GMT
#737
To be fair, the saving grace of protoss being strong now is that PvP is finally watchable
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10107 Posts
August 06 2013 18:10 GMT
#738
On August 07 2013 03:09 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:08 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:57 stuchiu wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:55 DOUDOU wrote:
the protossocalypse

all Protoss playoffs

WCS EU S2 2013 you will remember


Innovation's just gonna win the finals again anyway


There's this kid called Maru....

Jaedong 2-1 all time vs Noobivation


rude

I am the rudest person on TL

You don't have the ballz to bash Jaedong.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 06 2013 18:11 GMT
#739
Don't think Welmu can hold this
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97274 Posts
August 06 2013 18:11 GMT
#740
On August 07 2013 03:10 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:09 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 07 2013 03:08 renaissanceMAN wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:57 stuchiu wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:55 DOUDOU wrote:
the protossocalypse

all Protoss playoffs

WCS EU S2 2013 you will remember


Innovation's just gonna win the finals again anyway


There's this kid called Maru....

Jaedong 2-1 all time vs Noobivation


rude

I am the rudest person on TL

You don't have the ballz to bash Jaedong.

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