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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 06 2013 18:02 GMT
#701
On August 07 2013 03:00 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 02:58 GumBa wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 Fusilero wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:55 DOUDOU wrote:
the protossocalypse

all Protoss playoffs

WCS EU S2 2013 you will remember

MMA/happy/Tefel non protoss last hopes.

#BELIEVEINMMA

You want to believe in MMA against 7 protoss? Oh boy.

His TvP hasnt looked that bad and might as well root for someone!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Fearest
Profile Joined September 2011
854 Posts
August 06 2013 18:02 GMT
#702
Protoss is starting to look really strong. Eliminating people left and right
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
August 06 2013 18:02 GMT
#703
On August 07 2013 02:59 Godwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 02:59 Xoronius wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:57 Godwrath wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 Xoronius wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:55 SayTT wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:54 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Lucifron is now 12-18 vs Protoss since July 1st so I'm not too surprised he lost


+ that he doesn't have the ballz to go deep in a tournament.


Are you physically able to make posts, which don´t inculde player bashing or the word "ballz"?

Only at Lucifron. I heard Lucifron once stole his puppies so it's fair.


Nah, I checked his post history, there was a lot of Stardust-flaming in there as well.

Oh then seems like he is growing ambitious now.
I vote for cleansing him with fire. But i am spanish and would be a little cliché.

No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

On August 07 2013 03:00 stuchiu wrote:
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On August 07 2013 02:58 AgentW wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:57 stuchiu wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:55 DOUDOU wrote:
the protossocalypse

all Protoss playoffs

WCS EU S2 2013 you will remember


Innovation's just gonna win the finals again anyway


There's this kid called Maru....

If you were offered even odds on the both of them, you would pick Maru? Seriously?


Maybe. Innovation has looked kind of meh since hellbat-nerf in TvT.

He's still a beast. He was destroyed in that series, but I'd still peg him as my favorite to win the whole thing along with Rain. They're just mechanical monsters who are very hard to play macro against.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 06 2013 18:03 GMT
#704
On August 07 2013 03:00 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 02:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:57 Heartland wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:54 Xaeldaren wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:51 TeeTS wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:48 Xaeldaren wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:46 ntssauce wrote:
sub par player beats top EU player as protoss after MVP yesterday lost to 2 okayish protoss. unbelievable.


Overconfident Terran player decides to not scout effectively enough and put down a third command centre vs two all-ins and loses because of it.

You can't explain that.


yeah, noone should complain about 2base colossus pushes being OP. I truly think coloss openings are very okay to deal with as terran, even if they're pushes. a bit disappointing :o
Hasu showed the builds I have problems with too yesterday, but Lucifron shouldn't lose against that


Yeah. I play Protoss and I'm starting to think that Photon Overcharge is too strong (especially after watching Oz vs Ryung yesterday) and that Terrans do need to compensate by being greedier in the early/midgame. That doesn't mean you can blindly do it though and you need to know just what you're up against if you're going to throw down that 3rd CC.


I'm not too sure why everyone is focusing on HasuObs's build when Oz did what he did to Ryung yesterday. Balancewise it had much more breaking potential than what Hasu did.


What happened?


Oz took a third and teched at the same time off of one gate, and he held a 2base 3rax pressure (pre-medivac) build from Ryung. Now, Ryung played badly, which is why no one cared I guess, but Oz was really confident that he would win, which means he expected his build to work even if Ryung played well.


Aha. I've been thinking that all the old Squirtle/Parting openings in PvT should still be applicable, the 17-Nex from one gate and the one-gate three Nexi.


Yeah, there's a 16/17 gate into Nexus build that HerO did against Sound on Whirlwind at MLG. He even got arguably a poor build matchup as Sound went hellion/marine pressure against delayed tech from HerO but he still smacked it down. So that build is definitely viable.

The 1 gate 3 nexus build I've never seen in HotS
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 06 2013 18:03 GMT
#705
On August 07 2013 03:02 Muffloe wrote:
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On August 07 2013 03:00 IntoTheheart wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:59 Muffloe wrote:
Overall gameflow says... please don't call him duck-duck!! it's literally driving me insane!

Isn't it pronounced that way?


One could think that then he would have typed Duckduck and not Duckdeok :S

Maybe it was taken? Or... Hm.
kiss kiss fall in love
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 06 2013 18:03 GMT
#706
If Elfi is God, what is Welmu then?
pretender58
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany713 Posts
August 06 2013 18:03 GMT
#707
I got a bad feeling that again two protosses will advance
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#708
On August 07 2013 03:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Heart: stop calling him Duckdeok FFS

It was annoying me too, but then I realized I have no idea how you're supposed to pronounce it. Is the "deok" part two syllables? Or is it like "Seoul" where you just kinda collapse them into one hybrid vowel sound?
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#709
I love Apollo's analysis of this matchup LMAO
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#710
God I hope luci wins over stephano, JUST so we can have a T/P advance

Stephano going to get stomped again if he meets a protoss
#1 FAN OF TERRY THE INTERN - NONY AND IDRA NUMBER #1, EVERY DAY. AXIOM MANOR - Axiom: Ryung, Alicia, Heart and Crank under the Don TotalBiscuit and the Donnesa Genna Bain- Join the family http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396090#2
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#711
Apollo is Finnish, confirmed
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#712
       (1688) Welmu  0-0  duckdeok (1417)    
---------------------------------------------
38.09% 2-0 0-2 14.65%
29.16% 2-1 1-2 18.09%
---------------------------------------------
67.26% 32.74%

Median outcome: Welmu 2-1 duckdeok

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

WELMU!!!
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#713
Apollo is the boss of hyping this shit up!
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#714
On August 07 2013 03:03 Heartland wrote:
If Elfi is God, what is Welmu then?

The finnish holy trinity, elfi the father, welmu the son, naama the holy spirit. Together they create the stupidest most wtf builds that confuse many a man and anger many an idra.
Glorious SEA doto
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#715
On August 07 2013 03:04 ASoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Heart: stop calling him Duckdeok FFS

It was annoying me too, but then I realized I have no idea how you're supposed to pronounce it. Is the "deok" part two syllables? Or is it like "Seoul" where you just kinda collapse them into one hybrid vowel sound?


I just want his old ID back, I initially started liking him for his ID
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#716
Finale fighting! Hope both he and Welmu can make it out of the group, the hilarity of seeing Terran and Zerg tears flow for the next 1 month would be enough to humor me for a long long time, and I'm terran.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#717
On August 07 2013 03:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 03:00 Heartland wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:57 Heartland wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:56 Nebuchad wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:54 Xaeldaren wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:51 TeeTS wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:48 Xaeldaren wrote:
On August 07 2013 02:46 ntssauce wrote:
sub par player beats top EU player as protoss after MVP yesterday lost to 2 okayish protoss. unbelievable.


Overconfident Terran player decides to not scout effectively enough and put down a third command centre vs two all-ins and loses because of it.

You can't explain that.


yeah, noone should complain about 2base colossus pushes being OP. I truly think coloss openings are very okay to deal with as terran, even if they're pushes. a bit disappointing :o
Hasu showed the builds I have problems with too yesterday, but Lucifron shouldn't lose against that


Yeah. I play Protoss and I'm starting to think that Photon Overcharge is too strong (especially after watching Oz vs Ryung yesterday) and that Terrans do need to compensate by being greedier in the early/midgame. That doesn't mean you can blindly do it though and you need to know just what you're up against if you're going to throw down that 3rd CC.


I'm not too sure why everyone is focusing on HasuObs's build when Oz did what he did to Ryung yesterday. Balancewise it had much more breaking potential than what Hasu did.


What happened?


Oz took a third and teched at the same time off of one gate, and he held a 2base 3rax pressure (pre-medivac) build from Ryung. Now, Ryung played badly, which is why no one cared I guess, but Oz was really confident that he would win, which means he expected his build to work even if Ryung played well.


Aha. I've been thinking that all the old Squirtle/Parting openings in PvT should still be applicable, the 17-Nex from one gate and the one-gate three Nexi.


Yeah, there's a 16/17 gate into Nexus build that HerO did against Sound on Whirlwind at MLG. He even got arguably a poor build matchup as Sound went hellion/marine pressure against delayed tech from HerO but he still smacked it down. So that build is definitely viable.

The 1 gate 3 nexus build I've never seen in HotS


Still, in theory with lack of Terran aggression in the early game you should be able to exchange the crazy early teching that P does to a third Nexus instead. But it's all theory right now.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
August 06 2013 18:04 GMT
#718
On August 07 2013 03:04 govie wrote:
       (1688) Welmu  0-0  duckdeok (1417)    
---------------------------------------------
38.09% 2-0 0-2 14.65%
29.16% 2-1 1-2 18.09%
---------------------------------------------
67.26% 32.74%

Median outcome: Welmu 2-1 duckdeok

Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.

WELMU!!!

What the hell? Did not expect that.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
August 06 2013 18:05 GMT
#719
On August 07 2013 02:59 Heartland wrote:
I think I am cheering for Stephano and Welmu here, to make it easier on Nani later. ^^


Yeah Welmu PvP super easy I hear.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
August 06 2013 18:05 GMT
#720
Kick his ass Welmu.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
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