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On August 10 2013 20:38 Reasonable wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:20 OfficeBrahzz wrote:truly makes me angry... this MASSIVELY incredible skill required game... .. so hard to be the best at this game... takes so much mental fortitude sacrifice to be this good at sc2... these dang dota players like dendi getting 150,000 stream watchers earlier today maru deserves 300,000 stream watchers maru could easily in about 5-6 weeks completely learn dota and perform at dendi's level. dendi would never ever achieve anything near a ro16 in a korean starleague even with years of practice im sure LoL / Dota players practice alot and that too takes sacrifice i guess my point is... being good in sc2 shows i believe some other essence of the mind... a type of mental fortitude... you can practice for years and never get this good... its truly just an essence .... maybe a "god given skill" that you are simply born with and you can never train and i guess if you view it in that regard i guess its not as "impressive" in that regard because it would be like watching a 6foot dude beat up a 4feet tall dude... the 6foot guy was simply born with his natural innate abilities... no amount of training would allow the 4foot dude to win the fight... so i dont know i guess when i view it that way my belief that sc2 is a showing / competition of "something more" than just practice time might really downplay the greatness of winning a OSL because really your just winning with your innate natural talents that no one can train to achieve. Of course you need to train harder than everyone else and combine that training with your god given talent to win, i guess my point was someone without the god given talent will never be able to beat someone with the god given talent who trains alot, no matter how much the person without the god given talent tries. i dont know what the hell im saying lol... but dayum its fun to watch too bad more people dont realize the impressiveness of it  i and 30,000 ppl just saw a boy wonder become champion of a incredible test of mental power.... but 150,000 people watched dendi throw hooks with pudge earlier today but i guess i shouldnt be so sad... i think the last MLG sc2 numbers topped out at 100,000 for some of the high profile games so... i guess maybe im overreacting a little everyone is asleep now SC2 is not a game for majority. The "average" population of global gamers are mentally incapable of even following an SC2 stream due to prevailing ADD and lack of basic numeracy. Watching SC2 requires quite a bit of calculations, otherwise the watcher will feel like an idiot at a science fair lectured by Tasteless and Artosis. There are several hundred thousand watching SC2 on Korean TV and Korean streams, so they get their money, don't worry.
Yeah, you need a degree to be able to understand this complex game and shit...
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On August 10 2013 20:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 10 2013 20:39 juicyjames wrote:On August 10 2013 20:31 RiZu wrote:On August 10 2013 20:29 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 10 2013 20:27 RiZu wrote:
Maru winning is good. EU is probably a protoss champion and NA obviously Jaedong just like last season. ? Boss, confusion Yeah, what I wanted to say was having champions of each races like last season WCS, Maru for WCS KR, Protoss for WCS EU and Zerg for WCS NA(JAEDONG FIGHTING) I was hoping that we would have Protoss sweep all three regions and then take the S2 finals, but I like your idea better. I was thinking this would be the case again, but with Jaedong drawing JIM in the ro8...we really may not have any Zerg for the regionals. Though Vortix might also have a shot from EU with so much ZvP in his ro8. MMA is unlikely to make it far, TvP has always been his worst. If MMA plays anything like he did against Naniwa, he won't take a map off HasuObs. If finale beats Naniwa then he murders Vortix I think, his PvZ has always been super sharp and deadly. And then we finally (huehue) get to see finale vs HasuObs, the final (huehuehue) we deserve
HasuObs vs Grubby, Hasu winning 4-3, the final takes 7 hours to finish.
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I would've never thought that Maru would make it. After his first appearances, Khaldor hyped him up like crazy (mainly due to his age), but I didn't want to jump on that wagon.
Now, after several months, he's a legit GSL/WCS Kr champ. Good job, but now he truly has to show that he has what it takes to stay at the top!
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On August 10 2013 20:46 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:38 Reasonable wrote:On August 10 2013 20:20 OfficeBrahzz wrote:truly makes me angry... this MASSIVELY incredible skill required game... .. so hard to be the best at this game... takes so much mental fortitude sacrifice to be this good at sc2... these dang dota players like dendi getting 150,000 stream watchers earlier today maru deserves 300,000 stream watchers maru could easily in about 5-6 weeks completely learn dota and perform at dendi's level. dendi would never ever achieve anything near a ro16 in a korean starleague even with years of practice im sure LoL / Dota players practice alot and that too takes sacrifice i guess my point is... being good in sc2 shows i believe some other essence of the mind... a type of mental fortitude... you can practice for years and never get this good... its truly just an essence .... maybe a "god given skill" that you are simply born with and you can never train and i guess if you view it in that regard i guess its not as "impressive" in that regard because it would be like watching a 6foot dude beat up a 4feet tall dude... the 6foot guy was simply born with his natural innate abilities... no amount of training would allow the 4foot dude to win the fight... so i dont know i guess when i view it that way my belief that sc2 is a showing / competition of "something more" than just practice time might really downplay the greatness of winning a OSL because really your just winning with your innate natural talents that no one can train to achieve. Of course you need to train harder than everyone else and combine that training with your god given talent to win, i guess my point was someone without the god given talent will never be able to beat someone with the god given talent who trains alot, no matter how much the person without the god given talent tries. i dont know what the hell im saying lol... but dayum its fun to watch too bad more people dont realize the impressiveness of it i and 30,000 ppl just saw a boy wonder become champion of a incredible test of mental power.... but 150,000 people watched dendi throw hooks with pudge earlier today but i guess i shouldnt be so sad... i think the last MLG sc2 numbers topped out at 100,000 for some of the high profile games so... i guess maybe im overreacting a little everyone is asleep now SC2 is not a game for majority. The "average" population of global gamers are mentally incapable of even following an SC2 stream due to prevailing ADD and lack of basic numeracy. Watching SC2 requires quite a bit of calculations, otherwise the watcher will feel like an idiot at a science fair lectured by Tasteless and Artosis. There are several hundred thousand watching SC2 on Korean TV and Korean streams, so they get their money, don't worry. Yeah, you need a degree to be able to understand this complex game and shit... 1a2a3a
why are you here if you don't like the game?
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On August 10 2013 20:38 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 10 2013 20:35 BlueFlames wrote:On August 10 2013 20:20 OfficeBrahzz wrote:truly makes me angry... this MASSIVELY incredible skill required game... .. so hard to be the best at this game... takes so much mental fortitude sacrifice to be this good at sc2... these dang dota players like dendi getting 150,000 stream watchers earlier today maru deserves 300,000 stream watchers maru could easily in about 5-6 weeks completely learn dota and perform at dendi's level. dendi would never ever achieve anything near a ro16 in a korean starleague even with years of practice im sure LoL / Dota players practice alot and that too takes sacrifice i guess my point is... being good in sc2 shows i believe some other essence of the mind... a type of mental fortitude... you can practice for years and never get this good... its truly just an essence .... maybe a "god given skill" that you are simply born with and you can never train and i guess if you view it in that regard i guess its not as "impressive" in that regard because it would be like watching a 6foot dude beat up a 4feet tall dude... the 6foot guy was simply born with his natural innate abilities... no amount of training would allow the 4foot dude to win the fight... so i dont know i guess when i view it that way my belief that sc2 is a showing / competition of "something more" than just practice time might really downplay the greatness of winning a OSL because really your just winning with your innate natural talents that no one can train to achieve. Of course you need to train harder than everyone else and combine that training with your god given talent to win, i guess my point was someone without the god given talent will never be able to beat someone with the god given talent who trains alot, no matter how much the person without the god given talent tries. i dont know what the hell im saying lol... but dayum its fun to watch too bad more people dont realize the impressiveness of it i and 30,000 ppl just saw a boy wonder become champion of a incredible test of mental power.... but 150,000 people watched dendi throw hooks with pudge earlier today but i guess i shouldnt be so sad... i think the last MLG sc2 numbers topped out at 100,000 for some of the high profile games so... i guess maybe im overreacting a little everyone is asleep now Its simple. Dota2 is the more fun game and its free to play, so the player base is 10x that of sc2 and will grow even bigger. A percentage of Gamers wants to see the best at their game compete, so they tune in to tournaments and streams. Bigger playerbase means bigger streamnumbers. Besides that, Blizzard is a company who treats their customers like shit, while Valve gives the impression to care. If you're going to use that logic then both Dota and SC2 are doomed. LoL and WoT will conquer both. They're both free and even easier to play than either game. I'm not into Dota, but what makes it harder to play than LoL? It's offtopic, but I'm interested to find out.
I believe it takes a lot more mechanical skills to get to a decent-ish level in dota when compared to lol, dota is a really hard game to master if you don't limit yourself to a few heroes as every hero feels very different from another whilst most champions feel kinda the same (skillshots, skillshots everywhere), by that I mean that e.g iceiceice is probably 50 times better than someone like admiralbulldog considering how bulldog plays only 4-5 heroes when ice plays pretty much every hero at the highest level, with that said, if you limit yourself to a few basic-to-play heroes it will probably feel very similar to lol
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On August 10 2013 20:46 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:38 Reasonable wrote:On August 10 2013 20:20 OfficeBrahzz wrote:truly makes me angry... this MASSIVELY incredible skill required game... .. so hard to be the best at this game... takes so much mental fortitude sacrifice to be this good at sc2... these dang dota players like dendi getting 150,000 stream watchers earlier today maru deserves 300,000 stream watchers maru could easily in about 5-6 weeks completely learn dota and perform at dendi's level. dendi would never ever achieve anything near a ro16 in a korean starleague even with years of practice im sure LoL / Dota players practice alot and that too takes sacrifice i guess my point is... being good in sc2 shows i believe some other essence of the mind... a type of mental fortitude... you can practice for years and never get this good... its truly just an essence .... maybe a "god given skill" that you are simply born with and you can never train and i guess if you view it in that regard i guess its not as "impressive" in that regard because it would be like watching a 6foot dude beat up a 4feet tall dude... the 6foot guy was simply born with his natural innate abilities... no amount of training would allow the 4foot dude to win the fight... so i dont know i guess when i view it that way my belief that sc2 is a showing / competition of "something more" than just practice time might really downplay the greatness of winning a OSL because really your just winning with your innate natural talents that no one can train to achieve. Of course you need to train harder than everyone else and combine that training with your god given talent to win, i guess my point was someone without the god given talent will never be able to beat someone with the god given talent who trains alot, no matter how much the person without the god given talent tries. i dont know what the hell im saying lol... but dayum its fun to watch too bad more people dont realize the impressiveness of it i and 30,000 ppl just saw a boy wonder become champion of a incredible test of mental power.... but 150,000 people watched dendi throw hooks with pudge earlier today but i guess i shouldnt be so sad... i think the last MLG sc2 numbers topped out at 100,000 for some of the high profile games so... i guess maybe im overreacting a little everyone is asleep now SC2 is not a game for majority. The "average" population of global gamers are mentally incapable of even following an SC2 stream due to prevailing ADD and lack of basic numeracy. Watching SC2 requires quite a bit of calculations, otherwise the watcher will feel like an idiot at a science fair lectured by Tasteless and Artosis. There are several hundred thousand watching SC2 on Korean TV and Korean streams, so they get their money, don't worry. Yeah, you need a degree to be able to understand this complex game and shit... 1a2a3a
I still have memories of your lr vs seeker loo
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On August 10 2013 20:28 Iodem wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:20 ImperialFist wrote:
no one did a LR? T_T
I am just shocked that Terran won games vs Protoss.
So happy for Maru though Game 1: Rain wins NR20 macro game Game 2: Maru goes 1-1-1, rain deflects hellion drops and wins easily Game 3: Proxy 2rax, rain gets his stalker surrounded on the ramp, Maru wins Game 4: NR20 into Rain engaging in a choke with his templar and army clumped up, blanket EMPs and superior concave for maru wins Game 5: Rain tries 2-base immortal all in. Doesn't make enough sentries, lets Maru scout it and build 5 bunkers, Maru wins Game 6: Rain goes DT drop, does very little damage, Maru counter-attacks, Rain fights outside of nexus cannon range, Maru wins. Pretty lackluster finals imo. Maru didn't play an interesting game(though any attempts at drop play were easily denied by Rain), and Rain just made poor decisions in the heat of the moment. Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:27 RiZu wrote:
Maru winning is good. EU is probably a protoss champion and NA obviously Jaedong just like last season. I'll be surprised if he can get past Jim tbh. Taeja is probably the favorite to win WCS America.
thanks a lot, and well about the series being lackluster, TvP hots is probably the most boring match-up ever to watch (and play) in the history of RTS and there's a reason why I did not wake up early to watch it.
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Artosis curse strikes again.
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On August 10 2013 20:46 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:38 Reasonable wrote:On August 10 2013 20:20 OfficeBrahzz wrote:truly makes me angry... this MASSIVELY incredible skill required game... .. so hard to be the best at this game... takes so much mental fortitude sacrifice to be this good at sc2... these dang dota players like dendi getting 150,000 stream watchers earlier today maru deserves 300,000 stream watchers maru could easily in about 5-6 weeks completely learn dota and perform at dendi's level. dendi would never ever achieve anything near a ro16 in a korean starleague even with years of practice im sure LoL / Dota players practice alot and that too takes sacrifice i guess my point is... being good in sc2 shows i believe some other essence of the mind... a type of mental fortitude... you can practice for years and never get this good... its truly just an essence .... maybe a "god given skill" that you are simply born with and you can never train and i guess if you view it in that regard i guess its not as "impressive" in that regard because it would be like watching a 6foot dude beat up a 4feet tall dude... the 6foot guy was simply born with his natural innate abilities... no amount of training would allow the 4foot dude to win the fight... so i dont know i guess when i view it that way my belief that sc2 is a showing / competition of "something more" than just practice time might really downplay the greatness of winning a OSL because really your just winning with your innate natural talents that no one can train to achieve. Of course you need to train harder than everyone else and combine that training with your god given talent to win, i guess my point was someone without the god given talent will never be able to beat someone with the god given talent who trains alot, no matter how much the person without the god given talent tries. i dont know what the hell im saying lol... but dayum its fun to watch too bad more people dont realize the impressiveness of it i and 30,000 ppl just saw a boy wonder become champion of a incredible test of mental power.... but 150,000 people watched dendi throw hooks with pudge earlier today but i guess i shouldnt be so sad... i think the last MLG sc2 numbers topped out at 100,000 for some of the high profile games so... i guess maybe im overreacting a little everyone is asleep now SC2 is not a game for majority. The "average" population of global gamers are mentally incapable of even following an SC2 stream due to prevailing ADD and lack of basic numeracy. Watching SC2 requires quite a bit of calculations, otherwise the watcher will feel like an idiot at a science fair lectured by Tasteless and Artosis. There are several hundred thousand watching SC2 on Korean TV and Korean streams, so they get their money, don't worry. Yeah, you need a degree to be able to understand this complex game and shit... 1a2a3a
Yeah, I've never been below diamond so I don't know how you guys play down there. 1a2a3a your templars and sentries and shit...
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On August 10 2013 20:56 iLevitate wrote:
Artosis curse strikes again.
More like discrediting players who use cheese strikes again. Seriously I wish people would cut that shit out, especially Artosis and Wolf.
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On August 10 2013 20:41 forsooth wrote:
Nice to have a Terran champion after such a long time, too bad I missed the finals. Maybe one of these days GOM/OGN will be willing to do rebroadcasts at a reasonable time for people living all the way over here in NA. Or just be nice and offer free VODs.
OSL has free vods, just check their twitch page. just for that OSL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GSL :p
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Hype,grats to MaruPrime and team PRIME.I think you guys will back soon in the spotlight,awaiting!
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On August 10 2013 20:38 TeeTS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:37 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 10 2013 20:35 BlueFlames wrote:On August 10 2013 20:20 OfficeBrahzz wrote:truly makes me angry... this MASSIVELY incredible skill required game... .. so hard to be the best at this game... takes so much mental fortitude sacrifice to be this good at sc2... these dang dota players like dendi getting 150,000 stream watchers earlier today maru deserves 300,000 stream watchers maru could easily in about 5-6 weeks completely learn dota and perform at dendi's level. dendi would never ever achieve anything near a ro16 in a korean starleague even with years of practice im sure LoL / Dota players practice alot and that too takes sacrifice i guess my point is... being good in sc2 shows i believe some other essence of the mind... a type of mental fortitude... you can practice for years and never get this good... its truly just an essence .... maybe a "god given skill" that you are simply born with and you can never train and i guess if you view it in that regard i guess its not as "impressive" in that regard because it would be like watching a 6foot dude beat up a 4feet tall dude... the 6foot guy was simply born with his natural innate abilities... no amount of training would allow the 4foot dude to win the fight... so i dont know i guess when i view it that way my belief that sc2 is a showing / competition of "something more" than just practice time might really downplay the greatness of winning a OSL because really your just winning with your innate natural talents that no one can train to achieve. Of course you need to train harder than everyone else and combine that training with your god given talent to win, i guess my point was someone without the god given talent will never be able to beat someone with the god given talent who trains alot, no matter how much the person without the god given talent tries. i dont know what the hell im saying lol... but dayum its fun to watch too bad more people dont realize the impressiveness of it i and 30,000 ppl just saw a boy wonder become champion of a incredible test of mental power.... but 150,000 people watched dendi throw hooks with pudge earlier today but i guess i shouldnt be so sad... i think the last MLG sc2 numbers topped out at 100,000 for some of the high profile games so... i guess maybe im overreacting a little everyone is asleep now Its simple. Dota2 is the more fun game and its free to play, so the player base is 10x that of sc2 and will grow even bigger. A percentage of Gamers wants to see the best at their game compete, so they tune in to tournaments and streams. Bigger playerbase means bigger streamnumbers. Besides that, Blizzard is a company who treats their customers like shit, while Valve gives the impression to care. If you're going to use that logic then both Dota and SC2 are doomed. LoL and WoT will conquer both. They're both free and even easier to play than either game. I'm not into Dota, but what makes it harder to play than LoL? It's offtopic, but I'm interested to find out.
Its a much, much more complex and diverse game. I really would know where to start explaining it, but mechanically its leaps and bounds ahead. LoL heroes play moreorless the same, with a few exceptions, where as each Dota heroes is very individualised, with their own attack animations. Dota heroes in general have a much more varied skill set, so playing each one is drastically different than playing others.
In regards to the original quote, the guy writing it clearly has no knowledge of Dota whatsoever. I won't deny that the skill cap for SC2 is probably the highest of any game in the world, but that by no means makes it it a great game to play, nor does it make it a great viewer experience. Personally, I think SC2 has suffered severally because of over-saturation, and Blizzards inability to look at the big picture. Where as, the way that Valve has progressed Dota has been masterful, and they're reaping the rewards of the great foundation they've built.
Saying that Maru could be as good as Dendi in 6 week is absolutely absurd, and shows how little he knows about Dota. Select, while obviously not being on Maru's level, tried to make the transition, was immediately put in a team environment, practised quite heavily in a team house for several months, and he was still unable to play at a professional knowledge. With all due respect to him, he didn't understand the game well enough, nor were his mechanics to a level where he could compete with the best.
Going back to what I said about skill cap, SC2's is so high partly due to it being a 1v1 game. There is no one to blame by yourself, thus it is easier to identify your fault and correct them. SC2 pro's are as good as they are because they iron out all of the tiny kinks in their play. The only person responsible for their performance is themselves.
Whereas, with Dota, you have the element of Teamwork that completely changes things. There is less emphasis on how you perform as an individual, and more on how you perform your role as part of a team. Don't get me wrong, Dota 2 requires you to have a very high level of skill as an individual, however, you'll never get people cutting corners and irons out tiny deficiencies to the level of Korean SC2 players, because its simply not as important.
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On August 10 2013 20:46 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:38 Reasonable wrote:On August 10 2013 20:20 OfficeBrahzz wrote:truly makes me angry... this MASSIVELY incredible skill required game... .. so hard to be the best at this game... takes so much mental fortitude sacrifice to be this good at sc2... these dang dota players like dendi getting 150,000 stream watchers earlier today maru deserves 300,000 stream watchers maru could easily in about 5-6 weeks completely learn dota and perform at dendi's level. dendi would never ever achieve anything near a ro16 in a korean starleague even with years of practice im sure LoL / Dota players practice alot and that too takes sacrifice i guess my point is... being good in sc2 shows i believe some other essence of the mind... a type of mental fortitude... you can practice for years and never get this good... its truly just an essence .... maybe a "god given skill" that you are simply born with and you can never train and i guess if you view it in that regard i guess its not as "impressive" in that regard because it would be like watching a 6foot dude beat up a 4feet tall dude... the 6foot guy was simply born with his natural innate abilities... no amount of training would allow the 4foot dude to win the fight... so i dont know i guess when i view it that way my belief that sc2 is a showing / competition of "something more" than just practice time might really downplay the greatness of winning a OSL because really your just winning with your innate natural talents that no one can train to achieve. Of course you need to train harder than everyone else and combine that training with your god given talent to win, i guess my point was someone without the god given talent will never be able to beat someone with the god given talent who trains alot, no matter how much the person without the god given talent tries. i dont know what the hell im saying lol... but dayum its fun to watch too bad more people dont realize the impressiveness of it i and 30,000 ppl just saw a boy wonder become champion of a incredible test of mental power.... but 150,000 people watched dendi throw hooks with pudge earlier today but i guess i shouldnt be so sad... i think the last MLG sc2 numbers topped out at 100,000 for some of the high profile games so... i guess maybe im overreacting a little everyone is asleep now SC2 is not a game for majority. The "average" population of global gamers are mentally incapable of even following an SC2 stream due to prevailing ADD and lack of basic numeracy. Watching SC2 requires quite a bit of calculations, otherwise the watcher will feel like an idiot at a science fair lectured by Tasteless and Artosis. There are several hundred thousand watching SC2 on Korean TV and Korean streams, so they get their money, don't worry. Yeah, you need a degree to be able to understand this complex game and shit... 1a2a3a
If you think that's all this game is then I feel bad for you.
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On August 10 2013 20:52 ImperialFist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 20:28 Iodem wrote:On August 10 2013 20:20 ImperialFist wrote:
no one did a LR? T_T
I am just shocked that Terran won games vs Protoss.
So happy for Maru though Game 1: Rain wins NR20 macro game Game 2: Maru goes 1-1-1, rain deflects hellion drops and wins easily Game 3: Proxy 2rax, rain gets his stalker surrounded on the ramp, Maru wins Game 4: NR20 into Rain engaging in a choke with his templar and army clumped up, blanket EMPs and superior concave for maru wins Game 5: Rain tries 2-base immortal all in. Doesn't make enough sentries, lets Maru scout it and build 5 bunkers, Maru wins Game 6: Rain goes DT drop, does very little damage, Maru counter-attacks, Rain fights outside of nexus cannon range, Maru wins. Pretty lackluster finals imo. Maru didn't play an interesting game(though any attempts at drop play were easily denied by Rain), and Rain just made poor decisions in the heat of the moment. On August 10 2013 20:27 RiZu wrote:
Maru winning is good. EU is probably a protoss champion and NA obviously Jaedong just like last season. I'll be surprised if he can get past Jim tbh. Taeja is probably the favorite to win WCS America. thanks a lot, and well about the series being lackluster, TvP hots is probably the most boring match-up ever to watch (and play) in the history of RTS and there's a reason why I did not wake up early to watch it.
Maybe for you lol, most boring MU in RTS history is being hyperbolic anyways. Not even worst mu in wol/hots, WoL PvZ ZvZ PvP were bad, and hots PvZ can be pretty bad. Hellbat TvT, though not boring, was ridiculous and dumb.
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On August 10 2013 20:20 OfficeBrahzz wrote:truly makes me angry... this MASSIVELY incredible skill required game... .. so hard to be the best at this game... takes so much mental fortitude sacrifice to be this good at sc2... these dang dota players like dendi getting 150,000 stream watchers earlier today maru deserves 300,000 stream watchers maru could easily in about 5-6 weeks completely learn dota and perform at dendi's level. dendi would never ever achieve anything near a ro16 in a korean starleague even with years of practice im sure LoL / Dota players practice alot and that too takes sacrifice i guess my point is... being good in sc2 shows i believe some other essence of the mind... a type of mental fortitude... you can practice for years and never get this good... its truly just an essence .... maybe a "god given skill" that you are simply born with and you can never train and i guess if you view it in that regard i guess its not as "impressive" in that regard because it would be like watching a 6foot dude beat up a 4feet tall dude... the 6foot guy was simply born with his natural innate abilities... no amount of training would allow the 4foot dude to win the fight... so i dont know i guess when i view it that way my belief that sc2 is a showing / competition of "something more" than just practice time might really downplay the greatness of winning a OSL because really your just winning with your innate natural talents that no one can train to achieve. Of course you need to train harder than everyone else and combine that training with your god given talent to win, i guess my point was someone without the god given talent will never be able to beat someone with the god given talent who trains alot, no matter how much the person without the god given talent tries. i dont know what the hell im saying lol... but dayum its fun to watch too bad more people dont realize the impressiveness of it i and 30,000 ppl just saw a boy wonder become champion of a incredible test of mental power.... but 150,000 people watched dendi throw hooks with pudge earlier today but i guess i shouldnt be so sad... i think the last MLG sc2 numbers topped out at 100,000 for some of the high profile games so... i guess maybe im overreacting a little everyone is asleep now
you've never played DOTA at an acceptable level.
while I agree that RTS games are more demanding and should get more attention (then again I'm convinced that SC2 deserves to be left behind for a lot of design-related reasons), I think you should educate yourself before making such extreme statements
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So glad that Rain didn't win after how he qualified with that suspicious game against Fantasy.
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Couldn't catch a single game of the finals. But FUCK YEAH MARU!!!!!!!!
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Its a much, much more complex and diverse game. I really would know where to start explaining it, but mechanically its leaps and bounds ahead.
Dota 2 and the community is an absolute joke when blatant exploits like in Na'Vi vs. TongFu game 3 are considered acceptable and a viable strategy. Two low level heroes being able to one shot a max level carry with full items and Aegis is considered allright and even cool. It's a community where taking advantage of every bug or design failure is considered an achievement and a merit. Na'Vi have actually perfected the use of the bug exploit with their timings and the way the entire team starts pre-emptively falling back when they're trying it so that they don't get jumped on 5v4. I'm sure a lot of people started playing Dota 2 after seeing last night's games at TI3, but likewise a lot of people were completely turned off from the game as a whole. I found it disgusting.
The balance in Starcraft 2 might be poor and it has all sorts of issues with volatility but atleast the wins are honest and even the dumbest cheese rushes both have a very high chance of failure and most importantly aren't based on bugged game design. We don't have threads discussing whether Maru beat Rain by cheating.
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