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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:51 Qikz wrote: What is he if he loses? I mean I get the whole Andy Murray being Scottish if he loses and British otherwise, but what is Targa if he wins?  he's norwegian when he loses yo | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:51 Qikz wrote: What is he if he loses? I mean I get the whole Andy Murray being Scottish if he loses and British otherwise, but what is Targa if he wins? Probably Norwegian. Cus he's actually Norwegian. | ||
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Lephex
Germany153 Posts
NVM . go to http://www.gomtv.net/live/ if you get lag on twitch. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:49 Douillos wrote: It's funny how ghosts counter all units supposed to counter mech. Think about that  Well, you also got to think about the cost of adding ghost to a mech army... That's pretty expensive ! ^_^ (Even without much upgrades, that's still a lot of resources) | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:51 Qikz wrote: What is he if he loses? I mean I get the whole Andy Murray being Scottish if he loses and British otherwise, but what is Targa if he wins? Targa is norwegian but studied in australia and became a honorary aussie in the sc2 community. | ||
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:49 Douillos wrote: It's funny how ghosts counter all units supposed to counter mech. Think about that Ghosts counter voids/tempests(/carriers)? New one for me. Or colossi? I wouldn't try it myself. And yes contrary to a popular believe, colossi themselves are fine vs mech as long as we are talking about a bit larger army. The issue is more that vikings counter them, stalkers counter vikings, and blinking in front of a mech army is a bad idea. But you need those vikings when we have larger numbers. When just a few on both sides siege tanks work fine, later on not anymore. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:49 Douillos wrote: It's funny how ghosts counter all units supposed to counter mech. Think about that Yes it sounds great on paper but it is not how typical mech TvP goes. If you go for a specific timing, lets say thor-hellbat than saying stuff like he needed medivacs or ghosts is stupid because by the time he makes that composition his timing is off. If you play a turtle game protoss will expand faster and by the time you have that anti ground protoss army, protoss can have air units like tempest that can kill ghosts from safe distance.. It is just not as simple as "make ghost". I watched HTOMario's stream and mech is a struggle against any protoss who knows what to do against it.. And Rain is for sure good enough to know what to do about it. | ||
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julianto
2292 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:49 Sevre wrote: Not going to lie, this Chobra/Whiplash combo is really doing it for me. They need to hook up more on SC2. They need to cast the next season of SPL. OSL is getting more views than Tastosis (yes I know about the lag). | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24593 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16118 Posts
As I said. it does nothing vs Zerg. The only unit the Immortal is really needed against is the Roach, and Hardened Shields are not why Protoss uses Immortals vs Zerg. They use them for their damage. Hardened Shields blocks 6 damage vs Roaches, it blocks 40 damage vs Siege Tanks. Or if you want to be elegant about it you can do something like this: Change Hardened Shields to a flat 50% damage reduction to all attacks on their shields greater than 10 damage to a minimum of 10 damage. That'd mean Siege Tanks would do 25 damage instead of 10, Thors do 15 damage instead of 30 and Roaches stay the same. That's only one idea, there's at least a dozen things I can think of that you can do to the Immortal to make it less stupid vs Mech but Blizzard doesn't want to budge on it. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
However, this was a Kespa protoss - when the Kespa teams switched to SC2, they've studied the intricacies of mech TvP thoroughly, because it was the way to go in BW. They don't just expect mech is bad, they know why it's bad in SC2 TvP. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:53 DarkLordOlli wrote: Nerfing hardened shields breaks PvZ lategame will ultras become that big of a problem? | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Tempest get countered by the same unit that conters BCs. But you can also put out the 50 energy pdd and repair it. Free units the bane of Tempest ! | ||
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:54 Vindicare605 wrote: As I said. it does nothing vs Zerg. The only unit the Immortal is really needed against is the Roach, and Hardened Shields are not why Protoss uses Immortals vs Zerg. They use them for their damage. Hardened Shields blocks 6 damage vs Roaches, it blocks 40 damage vs Siege Tanks. Or if you want to be elegant about it you can do something like this: Change Hardened Shields to a flat 50% damage reduction to all attacks on their shields greater than 10 damage to a minimum of 10 damage. That'd mean Siege Tanks would do 25 damage instead of 10, Thors do 15 damage instead of 30 and Roaches stay the same. The ultralisk. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12024 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:52 Sabu113 wrote: Yeah but hardened shields and immortals exist since we can't do the same abusive shit we used to do to massive tank balls. The problem is fixing mech without letting biomech break the matchup. I still remember thorzain's mass thor build. Wasn't exactly the height of deep strategic thinking. So buff tanks and not thors? Why not make tank damage, atleast the splash count as a spell meaning it goes through hardened shields? Also what's wrong with giving tanks back their bonus damage to shields? Anything is better than pure bio, anything. I'm sick and tired of watching exactly the same game I've been watching for 3 years with 0 difffferences. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 01 2013 18:53 DarkLordOlli wrote: All australians are austrians though. Opterown best austrian LR bonjwa  opertown vs.  opterown deathmatch | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
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