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In our never-ending quest to destroy free speech, we have banned Twitch chat related memes.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423487
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 09:49:48
August 01 2013 09:49 GMT
#1281
On August 01 2013 18:47 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:45 RamboJesus wrote:
It is so obvious that mech is not viable in TvP. I'm not saying mech should be buffed. I'm just saying that Terran has one strat and one strat alone in TvP.


I'm pretty sure a mech buff would be fine as long as it wasn't plain +thor damage or some shit. More creative and less arbitrary numbers could work.

The thing is, Terran doesn't need any buff right now. And making more strats viable is a pretty strong buff in itself, other races have to be ready for more stuff. It would probably have to come with some kind of nerf. I'm not sure they would be willing to fuck up Terran as it is now just to buff mech :D
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 01 2013 09:49 GMT
#1282
Eh, season 3 is produced by gom. No point of watching osl stream when season 2 is almost over.
Don't mind me
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3400 Posts
August 01 2013 09:49 GMT
#1283
On August 01 2013 18:47 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:45 RamboJesus wrote:
It is so obvious that mech is not viable in TvP. I'm not saying mech should be buffed. I'm just saying that Terran has one strat and one strat alone in TvP.


I'm pretty sure a mech buff would be fine as long as it wasn't plain +thor damage or some shit. More creative and less arbitrary numbers could work.

Sadly Blizzards thinks mech boring and won't push for it.
At least we still have Strelok and Goody.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 01 2013 09:49 GMT
#1284
On August 01 2013 18:48 Sakkreth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:45 Ragnarork wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:43 edgeOut wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:41 Ragnarork wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:40 Sakkreth wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:40 shubcraft wrote:
so does anyone still think mech is valid in high level PvT?!


Yes if u siege some tanks and dont try to eat every storm there is.


Good luck against speedlots + dodging storms with tanks deployed.


Yeah, tons of saved hellbats from storms can't deal with speedlots, right?


Hellbats die to storm. They're like bioball. But without stim. Which makes them sit in storms for ages.


Are you trolling ? You just used a counter argument for ur own argument in same post which is one line...


I think you def. didn't really read my posts. Please do or stop that...
LiquipediaWanderer
LiamBrady
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore197 Posts
August 01 2013 09:49 GMT
#1285
If you're having problems on Twitch, or alternatively; if you're using Twitch.
Scarlett and SEA Dota
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 01 2013 09:49 GMT
#1286
On August 01 2013 18:48 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:47 Wintex wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:46 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:45 Wintex wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:44 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:43 Wintex wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:41 lichter wrote:
Lol mech what

focus on driving, lichter.

speaking of driving, when I was coming home on the interstate today, someone was going the wrong fucking way

probably a brit. they do it wrong yaknow

I thought Aussies did that too.

they live to far away for me to care about them. (sorry if i break your heart now)

Why would I care

Maybe you have an aussie gf.
The Bomber boy
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
August 01 2013 09:49 GMT
#1287
On August 01 2013 18:47 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:45 RamboJesus wrote:
It is so obvious that mech is not viable in TvP. I'm not saying mech should be buffed. I'm just saying that Terran has one strat and one strat alone in TvP.


I'm pretty sure a mech buff would be fine as long as it wasn't plain +thor damage or some shit. More creative and less arbitrary numbers could work.

I'm pretty sure an Immortal nerf would solve everything. Just remove their hardened shield ability and change their name to (insert antonym of immortal).
Sevre
Profile Joined June 2013
Ireland619 Posts
August 01 2013 09:49 GMT
#1288
Not going to lie, this Chobra/Whiplash combo is really doing it for me. They need to hook up more on SC2.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
August 01 2013 09:49 GMT
#1289
with the reduced cost of cloak i think he should have mixed in a few banshees to get some harasment done and force some stalkers. With the thors later on he can get rid of observers in the battle and then banshees can be very good.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
August 01 2013 09:50 GMT
#1290
On August 01 2013 18:47 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:45 RamboJesus wrote:
It is so obvious that mech is not viable in TvP. I'm not saying mech should be buffed. I'm just saying that Terran has one strat and one strat alone in TvP.


I'm pretty sure a mech buff would be fine as long as it wasn't plain +thor damage or some shit. More creative and less arbitrary numbers could work.


Just nerf Hardened Shields.

That's all you'd need to do.

That opens earlier timings with Siege Tanks which in turn changes the dynamic of the match up because as it stands now unless you want your attack to fail horribly like Bomber's you can't attack a Protoss player without both Ghosts and Vikings backing your army up which means the Protoss gets a free three base economy which they can do any number of things with.

Nerfing Hardened Shields does nothing vs Zerg since you need Forcefields anyway to protect the Immortals from Roaches but it helps tremendously vs Thors and Siege Tanks since Hardened Shields blocks 80% and 66% damage respectively.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Lazzi
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1923 Posts
August 01 2013 09:50 GMT
#1291
Just learned I gotta visit my grand father... Why now?
It's good to be back
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 01 2013 09:50 GMT
#1292
On August 01 2013 18:49 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:46 Godwrath wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:44 Fyzar wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:41 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:40 Fyzar wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:39 Godwrath wrote:
This is exactly why you don't mech on TvP.

Derpmortals.

Tbh the problem there was the hellbats dying to storms before the battle had even started x].


which is exactly why you don't go mech in TvP like he said..

Wat. He ''blamed'' the immortals for Bomber losing, I said it was more the storms than the immortals.

Oh i said derpmortals because the shield hardcounter is rather silly, not because they are the only reason why mech doesn't work. Archon, storm and immortals are pretty much all you have to do against mech. Playing mech is like a protoss trying to win midgame with only gateway units because the terran army composition is very efficient against it.



It's funny how ghosts counter all units supposed to counter mech.


Think about that

Ghosts "counter" Tempests?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10166 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 09:50:44
August 01 2013 09:50 GMT
#1293
On August 01 2013 18:49 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:46 Godwrath wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:44 Fyzar wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:41 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:40 Fyzar wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:39 Godwrath wrote:
This is exactly why you don't mech on TvP.

Derpmortals.

Tbh the problem there was the hellbats dying to storms before the battle had even started x].


which is exactly why you don't go mech in TvP like he said..

Wat. He ''blamed'' the immortals for Bomber losing, I said it was more the storms than the immortals.

Oh i said derpmortals because the shield hardcounter is rather silly, not because they are the only reason why mech doesn't work. Archon, storm and immortals are pretty much all you have to do against mech. Playing mech is like a protoss trying to win midgame with only gateway units because the terran army composition is very efficient against it.



It's funny how ghosts counter all units supposed to counter mech.


Think about that


By the time you got ghosts your opponent is already pushing you, taking the whole map, and/or building airtoss.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 01 2013 09:50 GMT
#1294
Chobra is like an optimized version of John
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
August 01 2013 09:50 GMT
#1295
On August 01 2013 18:48 Hassybaby wrote:
Wintex y u no post English songs as well?

I watch OGN yo. sorry. tell me if it comes on again and ill find it for you hassy.
The Bomber boy
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
August 01 2013 09:50 GMT
#1296
On August 01 2013 18:49 Sevre wrote:
Not going to lie, this Chobra/Whiplash combo is really doing it for me. They need to hook up more on SC2.

It's pretty good, also really shows that Whiplash really isn't that bad if you stick him with somebody he has a good chemistry with.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
August 01 2013 09:50 GMT
#1297
anyone else noticed how mostly protoss defend mech as viable, only so they can face it on ladder and laugh? XDDD

kk game 2 was trolling, bomber, back to allin!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1298
On August 01 2013 18:50 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:49 Douillos wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:46 Godwrath wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:44 Fyzar wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:41 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:40 Fyzar wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:39 Godwrath wrote:
This is exactly why you don't mech on TvP.

Derpmortals.

Tbh the problem there was the hellbats dying to storms before the battle had even started x].


which is exactly why you don't go mech in TvP like he said..

Wat. He ''blamed'' the immortals for Bomber losing, I said it was more the storms than the immortals.

Oh i said derpmortals because the shield hardcounter is rather silly, not because they are the only reason why mech doesn't work. Archon, storm and immortals are pretty much all you have to do against mech. Playing mech is like a protoss trying to win midgame with only gateway units because the terran army composition is very efficient against it.



It's funny how ghosts counter all units supposed to counter mech.


Think about that

Ghosts "counter" Tempests?


They shoot up yo
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1299
On August 01 2013 18:50 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:47 Zealously wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:45 RamboJesus wrote:
It is so obvious that mech is not viable in TvP. I'm not saying mech should be buffed. I'm just saying that Terran has one strat and one strat alone in TvP.


I'm pretty sure a mech buff would be fine as long as it wasn't plain +thor damage or some shit. More creative and less arbitrary numbers could work.


Nerfing Hardened Shields does nothing vs Zerg .


wat.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1300
On August 01 2013 18:49 Douillos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:46 Godwrath wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:44 Fyzar wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:41 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:40 Fyzar wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:39 Godwrath wrote:
This is exactly why you don't mech on TvP.

Derpmortals.

Tbh the problem there was the hellbats dying to storms before the battle had even started x].


which is exactly why you don't go mech in TvP like he said..

Wat. He ''blamed'' the immortals for Bomber losing, I said it was more the storms than the immortals.

Oh i said derpmortals because the shield hardcounter is rather silly, not because they are the only reason why mech doesn't work. Archon, storm and immortals are pretty much all you have to do against mech. Playing mech is like a protoss trying to win midgame with only gateway units because the terran army composition is very efficient against it.



It's funny how ghosts counter all units supposed to counter mech.


Think about that


Carriers? Tempests? Void Rays? Re-max out on zealot archon?
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