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In our never-ending quest to destroy free speech, we have banned Twitch chat related memes.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423487
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1301
On August 01 2013 18:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Chobra is like an optimized version of John


without the heart of the cards and epic speeches at blizzcon though
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16124 Posts
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1302
On August 01 2013 18:49 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:47 Zealously wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:45 RamboJesus wrote:
It is so obvious that mech is not viable in TvP. I'm not saying mech should be buffed. I'm just saying that Terran has one strat and one strat alone in TvP.


I'm pretty sure a mech buff would be fine as long as it wasn't plain +thor damage or some shit. More creative and less arbitrary numbers could work.

The thing is, Terran doesn't need any buff right now. And making more strats viable is a pretty strong buff in itself, other races have to be ready for more stuff. It would probably have to come with some kind of nerf. I'm not sure they would be willing to fuck up Terran as it is now just to buff mech :D


Buffing Mech doesn't have to affect Bio the two are completely exclusive playstyles.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1303
"In our never-ending quest to destroy free speech, we have banned Twitch chat related memes.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423487"

I never thought I would say this, but...I support your measure to destroy free speech.

Apparently after a couple of years, I have been assimilated.

Love you TL.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10045 Posts
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1304
whos chobra and where did he come from
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12043 Posts
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1305
On August 01 2013 18:48 opterown wrote:
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On August 01 2013 18:47 Wintex wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:46 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:45 Wintex wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:44 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:43 Wintex wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:41 lichter wrote:
Lol mech what

focus on driving, lichter.

speaking of driving, when I was coming home on the interstate today, someone was going the wrong fucking way

probably a brit. they do it wrong yaknow

I thought Aussies did that too.

they live to far away for me to care about them. (sorry if i break your heart now)

targa is australian unless he loses


What is he if he loses? I mean I get the whole Andy Murray being Scottish if he loses and British otherwise, but what is Targa if he wins?
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 09:57:04
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1306
Well, unfortunately, mech IS boring unless played by like the top 10 Terrans in the world.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1307
On August 01 2013 18:50 Lazzi wrote:
Just learned I gotta visit my grand father... Why now?


He probably wants to talk to you about that last game and what bomber did wrong.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 01 2013 09:51 GMT
#1308
On August 01 2013 18:51 TT1 wrote:
whos chobra and where did he come from

OGN LoL guy
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
August 01 2013 09:52 GMT
#1309
On August 01 2013 18:50 Wombat_NI wrote:
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On August 01 2013 18:49 Sevre wrote:
Not going to lie, this Chobra/Whiplash combo is really doing it for me. They need to hook up more on SC2.

It's pretty good, also really shows that Whiplash really isn't that bad if you stick him with somebody he has a good chemistry with.

I imagine ChobraManiac will even be better. English cast from Korean dudes ftw
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 01 2013 09:52 GMT
#1310
[OSL] Ro4 Day 2 WCS Korea Season 2 2013
[image loading] (P)Rain vs. [image loading] (T)Bomber
Game 3 (1-1)
Map: Bel'Shir Vestige

0:00
Rain spawns in the top left
Bomber spawns in the bottom right
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 01 2013 09:52 GMT
#1311
On August 01 2013 18:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:
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On August 01 2013 18:50 TheDwf wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:49 Douillos wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:46 Godwrath wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:44 Fyzar wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:41 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:40 Fyzar wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:39 Godwrath wrote:
This is exactly why you don't mech on TvP.

Derpmortals.

Tbh the problem there was the hellbats dying to storms before the battle had even started x].


which is exactly why you don't go mech in TvP like he said..

Wat. He ''blamed'' the immortals for Bomber losing, I said it was more the storms than the immortals.

Oh i said derpmortals because the shield hardcounter is rather silly, not because they are the only reason why mech doesn't work. Archon, storm and immortals are pretty much all you have to do against mech. Playing mech is like a protoss trying to win midgame with only gateway units because the terran army composition is very efficient against it.



It's funny how ghosts counter all units supposed to counter mech.


Think about that

Ghosts "counter" Tempests?


They shoot up yo

SCVs can attack ultras, yet it doesn't make them particularly good against them.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 01 2013 09:52 GMT
#1312
On August 01 2013 18:51 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Chobra is like an optimized version of John


without the heart of the cards and epic speeches at blizzcon though


What if they fuse into Johnbra, the smooth beatboxing Yugioh champion
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
August 01 2013 09:52 GMT
#1313
On August 01 2013 18:51 Fjodorov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:50 Lazzi wrote:
Just learned I gotta visit my grand father... Why now?


He probably wants to talk to you about that last game and what bomber did wrong.


If my grandfather did that, my cousin and I would probably hug him and tell him that we love him.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16848 Posts
August 01 2013 09:52 GMT
#1314
On August 01 2013 18:50 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:47 Zealously wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:45 RamboJesus wrote:
It is so obvious that mech is not viable in TvP. I'm not saying mech should be buffed. I'm just saying that Terran has one strat and one strat alone in TvP.


I'm pretty sure a mech buff would be fine as long as it wasn't plain +thor damage or some shit. More creative and less arbitrary numbers could work.


Just nerf Hardened Shields.

That's all you'd need to do.

That opens earlier timings with Siege Tanks which in turn changes the dynamic of the match up because as it stands now unless you want your attack to fail horribly like Bomber's you can't attack a Protoss player without both Ghosts and Vikings backing your army up which means the Protoss gets a free three base economy which they can do any number of things with.

Nerfing Hardened Shields does nothing vs Zerg since you need Forcefields anyway to protect the Immortals from Roaches but it helps tremendously vs Thors and Siege Tanks since Hardened Shields blocks 80% and 66% damage respectively.

making it reduce damage to 25 instead of 10 would make it way easier to deal with. ah well

bomberrrr!
The Bomber boy
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11089 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 09:55:04
August 01 2013 09:52 GMT
#1315
On August 01 2013 18:50 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2013 18:47 Zealously wrote:
On August 01 2013 18:45 RamboJesus wrote:
It is so obvious that mech is not viable in TvP. I'm not saying mech should be buffed. I'm just saying that Terran has one strat and one strat alone in TvP.


I'm pretty sure a mech buff would be fine as long as it wasn't plain +thor damage or some shit. More creative and less arbitrary numbers could work.


Just nerf Hardened Shields.

That's all you'd need to do.

That opens earlier timings with Siege Tanks which in turn changes the dynamic of the match up because as it stands now unless you want your attack to fail horribly like Bomber's you can't attack a Protoss player without both Ghosts and Vikings backing your army up which means the Protoss gets a free three base economy which they can do any number of things with.

Nerfing Hardened Shields does nothing vs Zerg since you need Forcefields anyway to protect the Immortals from Roaches but it helps tremendously vs Thors and Siege Tanks since Hardened Shields blocks 80% and 66% damage respectively.


Yeah but hardened shields and immortals exist since we can't do the same abusive shit we used to do to massive tank balls. The problem is fixing mech without letting biomech break the matchup. I still remember thorzain's mass thor build. Wasn't exactly the height of deep strategic thinking.

edit: I'll say what every protoss has in the back of their head when you say two exlcusive styles. 1/1/1. Anything and everything has to be looking holistically because that's how a pro will look at it and use it. Bw style Mech will never be chosen in sc2 because bio is just easier to execute. Non-bw style mech would be rather protossy at best pretty boring a movey at worst.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 01 2013 09:52 GMT
#1316
Bomber going full sky terran anyways now :D
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 01 2013 09:53 GMT
#1317
Nerfing hardened shields breaks PvZ lategame
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24604 Posts
August 01 2013 09:53 GMT
#1318
I lost my TL+. Time to earn it back!
A Wild Sosd
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia421 Posts
August 01 2013 09:53 GMT
#1319
My GOM stream is working now, not the GOM twitch stream though.
Bomber | TaeJa | Life | Scarlett I Twitter: @SosdSC2
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 01 2013 09:53 GMT
#1320
I missed the first two games, could someone give me a brief recap plz?
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